User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-06-06

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19:38 < funnyfarm299> Evening.
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19:44 < SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: hi
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19:46 < funnyfarm299> Don't tell Nawlins, but I don't get the appeal of New Orleans
19:49 < Soapy> I dont get the appeal of the West Coast
19:49 < Soapy> or most of the South
19:50 < Soapy> New orleans is not a place Id ever want to live
19:50 < Soapy> it does have the appeal of uniqueness though
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19:50 < Soapy> if you were born there youll never find another place to live thatll make you say "yeah, just like home"
19:51 < funnyfarm299> Example: most streetcars are at least 5 minutes late. That would get you fired if you worked for NYC subway.
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19:52 < Soapy> oh have you lived there?
19:52 < Soapy> that seems like a thing only a local would know
19:53 < Soapy> supposedly the Nawlins accent sounds more like a NYC accent than a southern one
19:53 < Soapy> its not really much of a Southern city
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19:55 < funnyfarm299> I'm here now.
19:55 < Soapy> ok cool
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20:15 < mareklug> Chicago leads Los Angeles at Los Angeles 3-2 with 12:00 to go in the game.  If the Kings lose, it will be the first time at home in very long time. and the series will be 3-1 Chicago and moving to Chicago.
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20:19 < mareklug> 8:37
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20:26 < mareklug> 4:37 penalty against Chicago
20:26 < IDoH> mareklug: Basketball?
20:26 < mareklug> hockey, finals of the conference.  winner of the series plays for Stanley Cup
20:26 < mareklug> on the other side it's Boston vs. Pittsburgh
20:27 < mareklug> IDoH there is no score such as 3-2 in basketball ….well maybe in the first minutes
20:27 < IDoH> Ah, I see.
20:27 < IDoH> You're a sports fanatic
20:27 < mareklug> no, some sports.  And it is the Chicago Blackhawks
20:27 < IDoH> Some sports. You love some sports
20:28 < mareklug> some.  women's tennis
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20:28 < Swarrley> yay Prodego
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20:29 < mareklug> 3:40
20:30 < mareklug> 0:35 left on the powerplay.  3:12 left, faceoff in Los Angeles zone
20:31 < Soapy> i saw somw women playing tennis a few days ago
20:32 < mareklug> 2:12
20:32 < mareklug> Soapy were they Maine women>
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20:33 < mareklug> icing, faceoff in Los Angeles zone.  1:50 remaining, equal forces
20:34 < mareklug> 1:20 faceoff in Chicago zone
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20:37 < mareklug> 18.2 seconds, offside by Los Angeles
20:39 < mareklug> First home ice loss in these playoff for the Los Angeles Kings!  Chicago leads 3-1 and back to Chicago.
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20:39 < mareklug> legoktm ^^
20:39 < legoktm> I hate both teams :/
20:39 < legoktm> But Fuck LA
20:40 < mareklug> legoktm there is no reason to hate the venerable and cutely attired Blackhawks, the nicest logo in professional hockey.
20:41 < mareklug> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVU-CsEBpZwzk1TqpjUr3CHUiMTRA1ANzMP7ypVmiKs6_YTce6o3Ek140HkQ
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20:47 < mareklug> IDoH do you like the Blackhawks logo?
20:47 < IDoH> I dunno
20:47 < mareklug> it is supposed to represent the real person, Chief Blackhawk
20:47 < IDoH> Really?
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20:48 < mareklug> click
20:48 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_(Sauk_leader)
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20:50 < mareklug> Iowa's nickname of the "Hawkeye State" is a tribute to Black Hawk.[52]
20:50 < mareklug> The United States Army Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter.
20:51 < mareklug> Four United States Navy vessels were named USS Black Hawk.
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20:53 < Soapy> that hair
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20:58 < mareklug> Soapy so there were two great Indian chiefs who fought on the side of the British in the 1812 war, Tecumseh of central Indiana and Black Hawk of essentially rock Island, Quad Cities Illinois/Iowa border on the Mississippii
20:59 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_State_Historic_Site
21:00 < Soapy> did they really think the British were their friends?
21:00 < mareklug> well, they knew the Long Knives (the US Army) were not, and all the settlers streaming in.
21:02 < Soapy> oh thats right
21:02 < Soapy> Britain still had Canada then
21:02 < Soapy> so it was a serious military presence
21:02 < Soapy> if the British somehow won the War of 1812, they probably would have given some US land to Canada
21:02 < TeeTylerToe> it was probably tribal rivalries between the indians
21:03 < harej> some? try all
21:03 < TeeTylerToe> the enemy of their enemy was their friend
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21:03 < Soapy> well I dont think Britain seriously considered taking over the USA
21:04 < Jasper_Deng> or did they?
21:04 < TeeTylerToe> like india or something
21:04 < Jasper_Deng> They burned the white house
21:04 < Soapy> they would never have been able to do that
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21:05 < coyoteTCC> l
21:05 < coyoteTCC> hola coma estas
21:07 < Soapy> I think Britain viewed the USA in those days the way the US viewed Vietnam in 1970
21:08 < mareklug> yeah.  had the British won we would be on the metric system already and have health insurance for all.  And very crummy road system.
21:08 < Soapy> worth fighting over, but not worth wasting the whole British army on when there were other countries to fight
21:08 < Soapy> so even if Britain could have fought to the death and won, it wasnt worth it because then they would be easy prey in Europe
21:08 < Soapy> the same thing in 1776
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21:09 < Soapy> it wasnt like America was ready to come on over and occupy the UK
21:09 < coyoteTCC> yes, 33 and what not. lol
21:09 < coyoteTCC> ;-)
21:09 < mareklug> Soapy England was fighting for its life against Napoleon in 1811-13
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21:09 < Soapy> Nappy was still on the loose in 1812??
21:10 < SigmaWP> Soapy: yes
21:10 < mareklug> he invaded Russia in 1812.  Had he not done that, he would have defeated teh British
21:10 < Soapy> hmm
21:10 < mareklug> same with the Nazis
21:10 < SigmaWP> 1812 Overture is about Napoleon
21:13 < BlastHardcheese> but was it over when the french bombed pearl harbor
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21:14 < Swarrley> SigmaWP: I admire Marc.
21:14 < Swarrley> Marx
21:14 < SigmaWP> yay
21:15 < coyoteTCC> I admire Stalin
21:15 < Swarrley> http://teespring.com/marxistutopia
21:15 < mareklug> it's easy to admire Marx from a distance, when you grew up in 21st century Canada.
21:15 < coyoteTCC> he was good men
21:15 < BlastHardcheese> I admire Groucho Marx
21:16 < SigmaWP> I think Hungary had the highest support for socialism
21:16 < SigmaWP> and Poland the least
21:16 < mareklug> Hungary had the 1956 revolution which was very bloody and was suppressed with Russian army
21:16 < SigmaWP> I know
21:16 < Swarrley> FUCK
21:16 < mareklug> so try Bulgaria
21:17 < Swarrley> I had a t-shirt idea
21:17 < Swarrley> but I forgot it
21:17 < SigmaWP> What even goes on there anyway
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21:23 < mareklug> IDoH and all the Marxists.  Here is a cooky lady of yesteryar just for ya  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoEmhQP774  Lene Lovich - "Lucky Number" (live)
21:24 < Firefly67> BlastHardcheese: I admire Groucho Marx too
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21:34 < mareklug> IDoH did you like Lene?
21:35 < IDoH> mareklug: Haven't listened to it yet.
21:35 < IDoH> OMG her voice is annoyin
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21:35 < IDoH> annoying
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21:36 < mareklug> no it is not.  I will link you another, but studio version from her debut album, Stateless
21:36 < IDoH> Okay.
21:38 < mareklug> IDoH while I look, check out our article about her album, look at the critical reception scores http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_(Lene_Lovich_album)
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21:40 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V8Gyr4FPt8    Lene Lovich-Tonight     (what you see there is the American cover, the one I have)
21:40 < TeeTylerToe> she's my radiation baby; she's my... teenage fallout...  queen
21:41 < IDoH> More tolerable
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21:43 < IDoH> mareklug: I like this better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URPtOAs_eMc
21:44 < mareklug> yeah, that's a sweet tune.
21:46 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_kDjF40g8A   but consider the English original, Lene Lovich I think we're alone now
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21:46 < IDoH> Yea!
21:47 < mareklug> she was hugely popular in 1979 among the cool people
21:48 < mareklug> her performances were always completely over the top as compared to her singing on the albums.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isI2ray8cFE  Say When (live)
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21:51 < mareklug> IDoH compare the above live version against the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8XDCnA2szc  Say When
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21:52 < IDoH> That's just a bad song.
21:52 < mareklug> no it is not!
21:52 < mareklug> read the comments, better yet, listen to it again.  "Easily the best single release she had. Thanks for posting. Liked it upon release, still like it now"
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21:54 < mareklug> and this rousing number, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMq8C23pn7w  "1 in a 1,000,000"
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22:07 < harej> haltermike
22:08 < coyoteTCC> haha
22:09 < coyoteTCC> harej you in NJ?
22:09 < harej> nope
22:09 < coyoteTCC> its 100am there
22:09 < harej> 1 am here too
22:09 < coyoteTCC> somewhere on east coast of usa
22:09 < coyoteTCC> i am in nj
22:09 < coyoteTCC> seaside
22:09 < harej> neat! how's the boardwalk?
22:10 < coyoteTCC> too many hookars
22:13 < harej> yes but has it improved from its state of being destroyed?
22:13 < mareklug> System Uptime: 2 Days, 7 Hours, 31 Minutes, 29 Seconds - Textual Uptime: 2 Days, 7 Hours, 29 Minutes, 13 Seconds
22:13 < harej> thanks klugman
22:16 < coyoteTCC> Server Up 353 days, 6:16:03
22:16 < coyoteTCC> Highest connection count: 10527 (10526 clients) (2446892 connections received)
22:16 < coyoteTCC> Server Up 353 days, 6:16:03
22:16 < coyoteTCC> Highest connection count: 10527 (10526 clients) (2446892 connections received)
22:16 < IDoH> coyoteTCC, once is enough. :-)
22:16 < coyoteTCC> this is true.
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22:22 < TeeTylerToe> during katrina there was one domain name server in new orleans that didn't have any downtime through the whole hurricane and recovery
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22:34 < mareklug> coyoteTCC I guess you don't install updates on that server that require it to restart
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22:44 < bazinga> mareklug : went to a mac store today, they wanted to sell an imac with outdated specs for about the same price as my PC
22:45 < mareklug> what's a mac store?  there are no Apple stores in Saskachewan
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22:46 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: probably not officially an Apple store
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22:46 < Jasper_Deng> probably a 3rd-party store
22:46  * Jasper_Deng thinks that illustrates one of his biggest reasons for disliking Macs
22:46 < bazinga> Actually, mareklug, I moved.
22:46 < mareklug> you can't lay the outrageous outrages perpetrated by local prairie merchants at the feet of Apple.
22:47 < mareklug> so you moved to a city with a real Apple Store?  ppl running around in dark blue t-shirts?
22:47 < TeeTylerToe> I hear Apple invented outsourcing manufacturing to china and dodging taxes
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22:48 < bazinga> I went to the Vancouver apple store
22:48 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe gee, I hear Google invented it as well
22:48 < Jasper_Deng> well, Andrew Carnegie didn't invent vertical integration either
22:48 < mareklug> bazinga so what were the specs and the price of this iMac?
22:48 < TeeTylerToe> But SURELY apple is the devil!  No other company would do bad things like dodge taxes!  Not General Electric, or Dell, or Lenovo
22:48 < TeeTylerToe> I'm sure Lenovo makes all it's computers in the US
22:49 < mareklug> of course they do.  they bought that business from IBM, and everyone knows IBM is a TJ Watson Laboratory in New York
22:49 < Jasper_Deng> eh, Lenovo is Chinese, so they can make it in China and it wouldn't be outsourcing, would it?
22:49 < TeeTylerToe> And dell wouldn't charge customers $200 for a hdd upgrade to a hdd that only costs $70.  They're a good american company
22:49 < mareklug> Dell is actually owned and entirely run by wiley Indians.
22:50 < mareklug> htey may be in California, but they are very Indian in their business attitudes
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22:50 < bazinga> TeeTylerToe I did see a third party mac retailer try to sell a very basic Optical drive for $80
22:51 < bazinga> (identical to the one I got for $15)
22:51 < mareklug> bazinga try to find values as opposed to focus on nonvalues
22:51 < TeeTylerToe> Did you know that best buy sells pure, 0% oxygen DVI cables for like $2,000 claiming that it improves the digital signal
22:52 < bazinga> Best Buy and Future Shop are shit
22:52 < TeeTylerToe> It's probably Apple's fault I'm sure.  Zombie steve jobs probably is making them do it
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22:52 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: you also can't deny that in many cases (I'm not sure about the newest Macbooks), you must buy an external add-on for external displays
22:52 < mareklug> whaaaa?
22:52 < wctaiwan> such a lovely thing to walk into.
22:52 < bazinga> Heeey wctaiwan
22:52 < Jasper_Deng> and to make use of displayports, you need to also buy external add-ons
22:52 < wctaiwan> hi.
22:52 < TeeTylerToe> some of their laptops use displayport or something
22:53 < bazinga> Brb gotta get a hit of crystal
22:53 < wctaiwan> I'm just going to carefully back away.
22:53 < mareklug> they use DVI
22:53  * bazinga lols at Jasper_Deng 
22:53 < wctaiwan> mareklug: mini DVI, needs adapter
22:53 < mareklug> they may have microDVI or miniDVI holes in them
22:53 < TeeTylerToe> Don't move!  An apple genius will kill you!
22:53 < mareklug> wctaiwan my iMac and my Air both came with adapters
22:53 < TeeTylerToe> that's what they do to everyone who tries to leave their stores
22:54 < wctaiwan> you bought an Air?
22:54 < mareklug> in 2008 I bought a refurbished air.  I just updated it's itunes remotely.  it's desktop is now on my scren
22:54 < mareklug> e
22:55 < wctaiwan> oh.
22:55 < wctaiwan> My iMac said yesterday that it would take 2 hours to download the 149MB (!) iTunes update
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22:55 < bazinga> Well then
22:55 < wctaiwan> I force quit App Store to cancel the update.
22:55 < Jasper_Deng> wctaiwan: which, to be fair, you can't fault the Mac for.
22:56 < wctaiwan> of course I can fault apple for not doing incremental udpates properly
22:56 < mareklug> wctaiwan it was not 149 MB for me, and in any case, it was already downloaded when it told me the update was up and read to be installed.  change your software update defaults and it will download it when you are not looking.
22:56 < wctaiwan> I'll look into that
22:56 < bazinga> Apple and Sony have crappy updates afaik
22:57 < TeeTylerToe> Can I fault Microsoft for making me reboot about a billion times every other day?
22:57 < bazinga> Nothing about content
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I bet you have a fun time reading winsupersite.com
22:57 < mareklug> bazinga can you say anything true about Apple?
22:57 < bazinga> But just the way they're deployed
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: kinda, they took out that setting in Windows 7
22:57 < Dcoetzee> By far the most offensive thing Microsoft does is to force reboots for critical security updates
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> and you have to mod the registry to stop it.
22:57 < wctaiwan> Jasper_Deng: I read it for laughs >.>
22:57 < Dcoetzee> I don't care how important it is for the integrity of the ecosystem, I don't like losing my data
22:57 < IShadowed> no, it was hiring you\
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: you can disable it in the registry.
22:58 < Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: Yeah I know :-)
22:58 < Dcoetzee> IShadowed: :-P
22:58 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I don't know that website, never been there
22:58 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I developed my dislike of Apple from reading that site.
22:58 < bazinga> Mareklug : obviously this isn't a matter of true or false
22:58 < wctaiwan> ...oh god.
22:58 < bazinga> It's opinion
22:58 < wctaiwan> that's no better than someone reading Daring Fireball and then developing a distaste for Microsoft / Google.
22:58 < Jasper_Deng> you can't logic someone out of an opinion they didn't logic themself into.
22:58 < wctaiwan> it's a friggin microsoft-centered website.
22:58 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi
22:59 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng it would be more valuable if you developed your dislike of Apple from actually using Apple computers, such as Dcoetzee did
22:59 < wctaiwan> hello.
22:59 < bazinga> Wctaiwan I agree
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22:59 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: To be fair my experience was anecdotal
22:59 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: that too. In middle school, I used their Macs, and I was alienated.
22:59 < bazinga> I developed my tastes by using a variety of products
22:59 < Dcoetzee> And additionally, I rarely booted into OS X
22:59 < Dcoetzee> So I didn't get the full experience
22:59 < Jasper_Deng> the keyboard keys would take like a hundred newtons of force to move.
22:59 < Jasper_Deng> the iMacs lagged
22:59 < wctaiwan> in middle school I used Macs and Tiger was a breath of fresh air compared to the extremely aged Windows XP at the time
22:59 < TeeTylerToe> You should hate Windows 8 because microsoft wasn't a real GUI when you were in middleschool
22:59 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng might be the school setup tbh
23:00 < wctaiwan> Windows 7 has since caught up, but that's what got me started using macs.
23:00 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I really feel sorry for your motor challenged keyboard experiences.  All the Apple keyboards I ever used were the best.  And they vary in touch.
23:00 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: I do hate Windows 8
23:00 < Jasper_Deng> I absolutely love Windows 7
23:00 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I still dislike modern Apple keyboards because I have long fingers
23:00 < Dcoetzee> Windows seems to suck every other version
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23:00 < TeeTylerToe> Because of problems microsoft had when you were in middleschool?
23:00 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: haha, definitely
23:00 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng yeah, the registry of Windows 7, as well.
23:00 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: definitely
23:00 < wctaiwan> ME, Vista, 8.
23:00 < TeeTylerToe> windows 7 is barely a wallpaper pack for vista
23:00 < bazinga> Lol
23:00 < bazinga> Me
23:00 < bazinga> I remember that shit
23:00 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: nah, it fixed a lot of things under the surface.
23:00 < wctaiwan> TeeTylerToe: you don't know what you're talking about.
23:01 < TeeTylerToe> They fixed the same problems in vista
23:01 < Jasper_Deng> no they didn't.
23:01 < TeeTylerToe> what do you think they were doing with their time?
23:01 < Dcoetzee> I think it's because they switch between doing "innovative" releases packed with new features, and doing conservative releases based on what they learned with their sucky version
23:01 < bazinga> My school computers used windows 97 in 2010
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23:01 < Jasper_Deng> Windows 8.1 unfortunately only goes halfway towards addressing my gripes about Windows 8
23:01 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: Intelk seems to do a better job with tick-tock releases.
23:01 < wctaiwan> -k
23:01 < TeeTylerToe> there was never a windows released called windows 97 iirc
23:01 < Jasper_Deng> they're actually gonna allow us to boot to the desktop by default
23:02 < Jasper_Deng> but gimme back my start menu and off with Metro! >.<
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23:02 < SigmaWP> [22:58:50] �<�Jasper_Deng�>� you can't logic someone out of an opinion they didn't logic themself into.
23:02 < SigmaWP> That's my quit message!
23:02 < bazinga> 98
23:02 < bazinga> Whatever
23:02 < bazinga> I don't remember
23:02 < wctaiwan> resistance is futile, Jasper.
23:02 < Shirik> I liked Windows 3.2
23:02 < TeeTylerToe> windows 8 certified ARM devices are required to have a Microsoft cryptographic signature in their UEFI that prevents anything not signed by microsoft from running on it
23:02 < Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: I forgot to type my attribution.
23:03 < Jasper_Deng> I'm going to stay w/ Windows 7 for a long time.
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23:03 < bazinga> Sigmawp I use that in many arguments
23:03 < Jasper_Deng> (and we're having this discussion on a network whose servers run Linux....)
23:03 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng what do you use for virus protection?
23:03  * Jasper_Deng uses MSFT security essentials
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23:03 < bazinga> Eww
23:04 < Shirik> I use intelligence
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23:04 < SigmaWP> ^
23:04  * bazinga uses malwarebytes
23:04 < Jasper_Deng> mostly I'm careful enough to avoid malware on my own
23:04 < Jasper_Deng> my sister wasn't
23:04 < TeeTylerToe> Apple probably caused that
23:04 < bazinga> I never get malware
23:04  * Jasper_Deng desysopped his sister for getting a rootkit
23:04 < Dcoetzee> I don't run realtime malware protection because the performance issues annoy me
23:04 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng: you have a sister?
23:05 < bazinga> Lol
23:05 < Dcoetzee> At my own peril, I've probably gotten keyloggers and stuff
23:05 < bazinga> Norton
23:05 < Dcoetzee> I should at least run batch scans sometimes...
23:06 < mareklug> bazinga Jasper_Deng has a sister, ergo he has malware
23:06 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: that's when she shared my PC. She now uses a Macbook Air.
23:06 < Dcoetzee> I'm pretty sure sisters are not considered malicious code
23:06 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng no malware there, except maybe a passing PC virus
23:06  * Jasper_Deng loves pointing apple fans like mareklug to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacSweeper
23:06 < TeeTylerToe> I bet her macbook air is just a mess of malware and viruses
23:07 < bazinga> Well.. I now know Jasper_Deng got a nasty virus on his floppy from his sister.
23:07 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: it's not, but that's b/c she's on a whitelist Internet restriction
23:07 < Jasper_Deng> can only uses Google services
23:07 < Jasper_Deng> and Wikimedia services.
23:07 < bazinga> Keeping it classy.
23:07 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I just decomissioned all my Sophos on all my macs.  it was a waste of space, cpu and highly annoying.
23:07 < TeeTylerToe> 0.o
23:07 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: it wasn't on my floppy
23:07 < Jasper_Deng> there exist no more floppy drives in my house.
23:07 < bazinga> Oh
23:07 < TeeTylerToe> That's a bit totalitarian of you
23:07 < bazinga> Your hard then
23:07 < Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: That was a sexual joke
23:08  * Jasper_Deng saw that
23:08 < Dcoetzee> Ah okay :-P
23:08  * bazinga assumed it was floppy based on the origin if the virus
23:08 < bazinga> Whatever floats your boat
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23:09 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: I assume you're on Linux right now
23:09 < Dcoetzee> Win7, with OS X and Ubuntu in VMs
23:09 < Jasper_Deng> I'd use Linux if it could match Windows' GUI
23:09 < Dcoetzee> I can dual boot to Linux, but rarely do
23:09 < Jasper_Deng> but so far all Linux distros seem to be focused on copying OS X
23:10  * Jasper_Deng actually, besides MSFT Office and Windows, uses almost all FOSS software.
23:10 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng ORLY?  They historically copied windows
23:10 < Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: There are many window managers
23:10 < Dcoetzee> Try some others
23:10 < Dcoetzee> See if you like any
23:10 < Dcoetzee> Some are very close Windows clones
23:10 < Jasper_Deng> Well, my latest try was w/ CentOS.
23:10 < Jasper_Deng> GNOME obviously is copying OS X.
23:11 < Jasper_Deng> I tried this other window manager... but it just looked like it was /trying/ to copy Windows without succeeding at it.
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23:11 < mareklug> there is no one GNOME anymore.  It has experienced a schism at the Gnome 3 juncture.  There is Gnome 2 and all the attendant spawn.
23:12 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee, mareklug: IMO ReactOS would be what I'd use if people actually developed it.
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23:13 < mareklug> have you used Xfce 4.10?  It was released Aprl 28, 2012 but is still the latest xfce
23:13 < TeeTylerToe> I don't see windows being all that much advanced past Mac OS from like 1985
23:13 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I think that was the other window manager I tried.
23:14 < Jasper_Deng> still, I haven't seen a better try than ReactOS at emulating Windows on Linux.
23:14 < mareklug> you sure?  you would have to compile it yourself, as no distribution has it outright
23:14 < Jasper_Deng> well "xfce" rings a bell.
23:14 < mareklug> probably xfce 4.8
23:15 < Dcoetzee> For a year or two I used Blackbox
23:16 < Dcoetzee> Taught me to use virtual workspaces a lot due to its limitations :-P
23:18 < bazinga> Hm
23:18 < bazinga> Is there a female here who could give me advice
23:18 < bazinga> PM me
23:19 < bazinga> (more likely a female could help me than a guy, based off statistics)
23:21 < mareklug> bazinga besides, you should not visit Apple Store if that is your only visit ever 3 days before teh WWDC event in San Francisco when they are to introduce new stuff.
23:22 < bazinga> Mareklug I was downtown vancouver, and I had time to waste.
23:22 < mareklug> should have gone to the Microsoft Store and appreciated the lack of people there
23:23 < bazinga> There is no Microsoft store
23:23 < mareklug> aw
23:23 < mareklug> sure there is
23:23 < mareklug> http://www.yelp.com/biz/microsoft-store-vancouver
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23:24 < mareklug> reviewer: "I will give this Microsoft store 2 stars, since you are only able to play with Windows 7 (Microsoft doesn't sell machines, only through partners), and the Microsoft Surface Tablet. There is no help desk (al la Genius Bar), nor can you bring in your failing Windows 7 laptop to get fixed.  Kinda just a nice to look at store, but not much it can do to help you."
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23:25 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: which is why I build my PCs on my own.
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23:25 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng does not change the fact that M$ Store is an abortion, as is the entire M$.
23:27 < TeeTylerToe> Is windows worth the $140 or whatever ms charges?
23:27 < bazinga> Pfft
23:27 < bazinga> TPB dat shit
23:27 < mareklug> indeed.  last time I paid $100+ for an Apple operating system it was 2001 and it was Jaguar.
23:28 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: on that note, will Apple ever run out of cats?
23:28 < mareklug> bazinga Apple does not put onerous activation bullshit keys on their OS.  It is honor system.
23:28 < mareklug> You download it from Apple Store and can use it on whatever.
23:28 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: isn't there a 5-computer limit?
23:28 < bazinga> Mareklug isn't that special
23:29 < Jasper_Deng> (for a family pack)
23:29 < Jasper_Deng> well, Apple really doesn't need the revenue from its OS sales
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23:29 < Jasper_Deng> when it already grossly overprices its hardware.
23:30 < Jasper_Deng> on the other hand, Microsoft has very little hardware, and so relies almost completely on software, much like Adobe.
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23:30 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae#Extant_species   check for yourself
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23:30 < TeeTylerToe> apple prices are fairly competitive
23:31 < Dcoetzee> MS's hardware is pretty much just Xbox, keyboards, mice
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23:31 < Dcoetzee> And Xbox accessories of course
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23:31 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng don't obfuscate.  The M$ licencing picture is a disaster clad in lawyer talk and gobs and gobs of EULA and fine print.  Apple OS is simple to use and simple to use on virtual machines.
23:31 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: "simple to use" is what I dispute
23:31 < Dcoetzee> Apple OS "simple to use on virtual machines"? Apple doesn't officially even support use in VMs.
23:31  * coyoteTCC laughing at these fools in here
23:32 < Dcoetzee> They had to use the Hackintosh drivers
23:32 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: yes, but only for OS X Server
23:32 < Jasper_Deng> and only on Macs
23:32 < mareklug> Dcoetzee it sure does .  On Apple machines
23:32 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: but only OS X server
23:32 < mareklug> no
23:32 < mareklug> also on client OS machines
23:32 < Jasper_Deng> that's according to what VirtualBox's documentation says.
23:32 < mareklug> don't beleive that.  do a little google searching
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23:33 < Dcoetzee> VirtualBox has limited support for many things
23:33 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: to clarify, you can only use OS X Server /guests/
23:33 < TeeTylerToe> How easy is it for a home user of windows to get a windows VM?
23:33 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: on Windows 7, it's very easy.
23:33 < Jasper_Deng> Windows XP Mode.
23:33 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: Umm anyone with a Windows install disc can set up a Windows VM just by installing it into a blank VM
23:33 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng no.  you can use Mac OS X guests.  It does not have to be a OS X Server
23:33 < TeeTylerToe> wow.  I mean, like a windows released after 2001
23:33 < Dcoetzee> Win7 and Win8 run fine in VMware
23:33 < Dcoetzee> And I think on VirtualBox too
23:34 < TeeTylerToe> Yes, but how easy is it for a home user to get a win7 vm?
23:34 < Dcoetzee> What?
23:34 < Dcoetzee> If you have a Win7 disc, you install it in a VM, and then you have a Win7 VM.
23:34 < mareklug> Dcoetzee Apple stuff runs fine in Virtualbox too.  The thing is Apple requires its ROM to run.  And that is what Hacintosh is all about.  As you well know.
23:35 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: only if you have the right licensing
23:35 < Dcoetzee> Well yes you need a separate copy of it
23:35 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I can legally run umpteen copies of Mac OS X nonserver OSes on my iMac, virtually.
23:35 < TeeTylerToe> yea, but 99.99% of windows users don't get a retail win 7 disk that they can just install on a vm
23:36 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: OEMs often include a copy of Windows on a CD and a license key with the machine
23:36 < Jasper_Deng> which you can't use twice
23:36 < Dcoetzee> And most versions of Win7 actually supply two licenses, one for 32 bit and one for 64 bit
23:36 < TeeTylerToe> and which won't install on a virtual host
23:36 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: no
23:36 < Dcoetzee> Win7 totally installs in a virtual host.
23:36 < Jasper_Deng> but, Windows Server Datacenter
23:36 < Dcoetzee> I've done it a million times
23:36 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: but you need a separate license for it
23:36 < TeeTylerToe> not from the restore disk 99% of windows users get
23:36 < Jasper_Deng> or you have a Technet subscription
23:37 < Jasper_Deng> anyways, Windows Server Datacenter allows unlimited virtualization
23:37 < Jasper_Deng> the newest Windows Server 2012 R2 will allow activation in Hyper-V automatically w/o any product key hassles.
23:37 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: That is true, with just the OEM restore disk you have to choose between installing Windows on your host or your guest
23:37 < TeeTylerToe> I'm sure a lot of home users have windows server datacenter pro r3 sp1.5
23:37 < Dcoetzee> It's only one license
23:37 < TeeTylerToe> '14
23:37 < SuicidalZerg> Dcoetzee: 2 licenses? Really?
23:37 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng whereas on the Mac I paid for Mountain LIon under my Apple ID exactly once (was it 19.99? I think so) and I replicated it on 2 machines in my household and several external drives.  Each time all I need to do is downlaod it again for free from Apple Store (or if I hung around to the download, restart the installer from disk).  No keys, no nothing.
23:37 < SuicidalZerg> You can't use both at the same time, right?
23:37 < Jasper_Deng> SuicidalZerg: no
23:38 < TeeTylerToe> windows also cures restless leg syndrome
23:38 < Dcoetzee> SuicidalZerg: Yeah if you buy retail Win7 it comes with two licenses
23:38 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: you still paid too much for the hardware
23:38 < Dcoetzee> One for 32 bit and one for 64 bit
23:38 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: really?
23:38 < Dcoetzee> Yep
23:38 < Dcoetzee> I've taken advantage of that several times
23:38 < Jasper_Deng> I got a retail copy of Windows 7 Pro
23:38 < SuicidalZerg> But you can't use both at the same time, right?
23:38 < Dcoetzee> Yes you can use both at the same time
23:38 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I paid around 3k for the best mac I could build custom in early 2009.  I am still using it and it is not a slow machine, obviously.
23:38 < SuicidalZerg> wat
23:38 < Dcoetzee> They might have changed licensing terms
23:38 < Dcoetzee> But that's how it was 2 years ago
23:39 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: another thing. Custom and Mac don't fit into the same sentence except negative.
23:39 < SuicidalZerg> Too bad I have no use for 32-bit :p
23:39 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: that also was 2 years ago.
23:39 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng are you nuts?
23:39 < Jasper_Deng> anyone who wants to be custom builds his/her own
23:39 < Jasper_Deng> PC
23:39 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng Apple has build to order options on iMacs since many years ago.
23:39 < Jasper_Deng> that doesn't count
23:39 < SuicidalZerg> I wish I could afford to build a custom PC, lol
23:39 < Dcoetzee> I think Win8 is a single license per retail copy. But it's not a big deal to me because I get Windows for free through MSDNAA. Also I get 90% discounts on retail copies through Microsoft alumni.
23:39 < SuicidalZerg> Instead of using this OEM nonsense that I got 5 years ago
23:40 < coyoteTCC> lol
23:40 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: especially b/c Apple (last time I checked) charges like $400 for another 4 or 8 GB of RAM.
23:40 < SuicidalZerg> That's how I got my copy of Windows 7 was through MSDN :3
23:40 < Dcoetzee> Apple's outrageous charges for RAM are just them exploiting their hardware monopoly
23:40 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng who gives a fuck?  Buy your ram somewhere else.  Of all things to complain about.
23:40 < TeeTylerToe> Everyone charges just as much for add on ram Jasper_Deng
23:40 < Jasper_Deng> then that's not real custom selling, is it?
23:40 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: no
23:41 < TeeTylerToe> you dhink dell or hp or lenovo don't?
23:41 < Dcoetzee> Oh right RAM is user upgradable
23:41 < Dcoetzee> I forgot about that
23:41 < TeeTylerToe> yes they do
23:41 < coyoteTCC> lol.. mareklug and jasper are the same person.. both clock screw times are the same for both
23:41 < Jasper_Deng> that money gets you at minimum 16 GB of extra RAM
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23:41 < Jasper_Deng> on a PC
23:41 < TeeTylerToe> how much?
23:41 < Jasper_Deng> 32 GB of RAM for the desktop PC costs only $140ish
23:42 < Jasper_Deng> and that's using 8 GB modules.
23:42 < Dcoetzee> Mac RAM is standard desktop RAM
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23:42 < Dcoetzee> It costs the same as far as I know
23:42 < Jasper_Deng> well, nowadays it probably is
23:42 < Dcoetzee> You just have to upgrade it after purchase, not at time of purchase
23:42 < Jasper_Deng> it used to not be.
23:42 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng also, you are so full of shit:    16GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X8GB [Add $200.00]      http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD096LL/A?
23:42 < Dcoetzee> Same way if you buy a preassembled PC you have to upgrade RAM after
23:42 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: that was the last time I checked
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23:43 < Jasper_Deng> which was also 3 years ago.
23:43 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng don't talk when you obviously don't know.
23:43 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: that's why I assemble my own.
23:43 < bazinga> Mareklug I got 16gb of the same type of ram for half the pricr
23:43 < Jasper_Deng> ^^
23:43 < Dcoetzee> Anyone who doesn't assemble their own desktop (who knows how to do so) is throwing money out the window
23:43 < Jasper_Deng> ^^
23:44 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng so anyway?  how much do two sticks of cheapest 8GB ram (1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM) cost these days on free market?  Made in China and all that.
23:44 < Dcoetzee> Also, standard OEM builds have awful specs
23:44 < bazinga> Dcoetzee it's not a bad idea to learn, either
23:44 < Dcoetzee> They emphasise clock speed over more important things like amount of RAM and disk speed
23:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee what if that person owns a company that assembles computers?
23:44 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I remember $140 for 4 sticks /from 9 months ago/
23:44 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: exactly.
23:44 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I am not talking FOUR STICKS.
23:44 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng I doubt it tbh
23:44 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: do the math
23:44 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: again, 9 months ago.
23:44 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng no, give me a link.
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23:44 < bazinga> Mareklug 4x8
23:45 < bazinga> Jssp
23:45 < Dcoetzee> OEM builds are designed to sell, not to actually perform well in practice.
23:45 < Dcoetzee> Which means lots of build numbers
23:45 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng why would the price increase
23:45 < Dcoetzee> *big numbers
23:45 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: exactly.
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23:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I never gotten why preasembled computers even existed
23:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can just have a motherboard + cpu + ram and be done with it
23:46 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: That's kind of like asking why preassembled cars exist
23:46 < bazinga> Mareklug I found 2x8GB for $100, you could probably do as low as $90 in the Us for DDR3-1600
23:46 < Dcoetzee> Lots of people don't know how to assemble one, and are scared to learn
23:46 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: no way
23:46 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng?
23:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I can't wield steel on steel
23:46  * Jasper_Deng is talking DDR3-1333
23:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> also shipping costs of a non-assembled car is way too expensive
23:47 < mareklug> bazinga so?  that still means the Apple Store boutique is overcharging ONLY 2005
23:47 < mareklug> 200%
23:47 < Dcoetzee> Okay bad analogy
23:47 < Dcoetzee> That's like asking why premade cakes exist
23:47 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng well mareklug and I are talking about 1600
23:47 < Dcoetzee> Pretty much anyone can bake a cake or learn to bake a cake
23:47 < Dcoetzee> But not everyone wants to take the time, and some people are scared to learn
23:47 < Jasper_Deng> ^^
23:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee but cake-masters can influence the price
23:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *taste
23:48 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: In a few words - some people are just lazy.
23:48 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng the Apple store is there to sell machines to people who don't want to build their own.
23:48 < bazinga> Dcoetzee : I know a 16 year old that doesn't know how to make macaroni
23:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> my point is we have "prety much everything on board" motherboads. only thing they need to create is a motherboard with integrated ram and cpu
23:48 < mareklug> bazinga most people overcook pasta as well as fish.
23:48 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: The analogy is apt. There are some very good preassembled systems out there.
23:48 < Jasper_Deng> like the Raspberry Pi
23:48 < bazinga> Heh
23:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am talking about grandma who wont be playing half life 2
23:49 < bazinga> When my friend and I were baked we made cocoa pancakes
23:49 < Jasper_Deng> PCs are also much more extensible than Macs
23:49 < Dcoetzee> For the average grandma they can get away with the equivalent of a supermarket cake
23:49 < Jasper_Deng> b/c you can choose a motherboard with a lot of expansion cards.
23:49 < Dcoetzee> But they still end up spending money on specs they don't need
23:49 < TeeTylerToe> I can't see to figure out how to build to order on dell, hp, or lenovo
23:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Big Macs are the cheapest PCs :p
23:49 < bazinga> Thinking the cocoa was hot chocolate powder
23:49 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Desktop-Memory-CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10/dp/B006EWUO22   121 dollars.  And that is Corsair, the cheapest, crappiest memory on the market.
23:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng fair point I suppose
23:50 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: I for one do not enjoy random memory errors :-P
23:50 < bazinga> Mareklug check my reddit
23:50  * Jasper_Deng really doesn't care about RAM speed, and also doesn't like Amazon's lack of IPv6
23:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee do random memory errors happen randomly?
23:50 < mareklug> Dcoetzee my point.
23:50 < bazinga> I found some for 100 total
23:50 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Not really
23:50 < TeeTylerToe> an extra 4GB of ram on sony costs $80
23:50 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng stop with the ipv6 complaints
23:50 < mareklug> Dcoetzee obviously young bazinga does.
23:50 < Dcoetzee> They tend to occur in clusters
23:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee then random memory isnt as random as advertised! :p
23:50 < Shirik> lies
23:50 < Shirik> that's why they call it random access memory
23:50 < bazinga> Mareklug got good reviews
23:50 < Shirik> because randomly when you access it, it fails
23:50 < TeeTylerToe> RAM errors happen randomly, mostly gamma rays
23:51 < Dcoetzee> Good RAM fails due to gamma rays, bad RAM fails due to manufacturing defects
23:51 < Dcoetzee> Manufacturing defects tend to be physically localized
23:51 < mareklug> Hynix   Find http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Desktop-Memory-CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10/dp/B006EWUO22  in Hynix for 100 and then we will talk, ok?
23:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I protect my ram from gamma rays :p
23:51 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: You have 3 foot thick concrete walls? :-P
23:51 < Shirik> but do you protect it from delta rays?
23:52 < Jasper_Deng> You really can't protect from gamma rays w/o like a meter of lead
23:52 < BlastHardcheese> of course, I only let them transport it on american airlines
23:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee... no, I just have plastic foil around it! :p
23:52 < Dcoetzee> Fun fact I read recently: if an astronaut made it to Mars and back, they would be grounded indefinitely thereafter, due to reaching NASA's lifetime radiation exposure limit.
23:52 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: which only stops alpha radiation
23:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if it works for alpha radiation, I dont see why it cant for gamma!
23:53 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: maybe b/c you can use alpha particles to inflate a party balloon?
23:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng I was making a funny :p
23:53 < Jasper_Deng> while gamma rays would kill you?
23:53  * Jasper_Deng is also making one
23:53 < Shirik> hey
23:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng no gamma rays mutate people to hunkishness
23:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am body building by exposing myself to gamma rays
23:53 < Shirik> mutants are people too
23:54 < mareklug> bazinga  Jasper_Deng   http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=16GB+%282x8GB%29+DDR3+1600+MHz+%28PC3+12800%29+
23:54  * Jasper_Deng yawns
23:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if one willingly exposes themselves to gamma radiation does that make them an exhibitionist?
23:54 < Jasper_Deng> (both literally and figuratively)
23:54 < mareklug> it is obvious the cheapest memory is Corsair.  The more expensive memory is Kingston or Crucial
23:54 < mareklug> either way, we are talking from 116 to 150
23:54 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: go on Newegg
23:54 < Jasper_Deng> you'd be mistaken easily
23:54 < mareklug> so the 200 that Apple Store charges for Hynix or Samsung is not outrageous.
23:54  * Jasper_Deng knows a couple of cheaper brands
23:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I think the mars bound astronautes will be given a special space craft
23:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not the orion module
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23:55 < TeeTylerToe> I couldn't get a price from dell, hp, or lenovo, but Sony charges $80 for an extra 4GB of ram which is crazy
23:55 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: remember that $200 is not all you're really paying for that RAM
23:55 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Relevant video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7q6DF6D54
23:55 < Jasper_Deng> b/c it's an upgrade from RAM you're already paying for.
23:55 < TeeTylerToe> and dell hp and lenovo charge similarly crazy prices
23:55 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng it is 2 more sticks for the 2 you already get as priced with the machine
23:56 < mareklug> and you get it under Apple warranty
23:56 < Jasper_Deng> oh, so that explains why it's priced a lot.
23:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee nice!
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23:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so the chinese are gaining superpowers in bulk right?
23:56 < Jasper_Deng> Steve Jobs reportedly made $3000 when he fixed the Mac of this singer before his concert.
23:56 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng it is priced "a lot" because it is being sold in a boutique to people who don't care to pinch pennies and who value convenience.
23:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng did he brand it too?
23:57 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: ?
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23:57 < Jasper_Deng> autograph?
23:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "Steve Jobs fix job"
23:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and yes signature under it
23:57 < Jasper_Deng> lol
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23:57 < Jasper_Deng> well, he might've. He made $3 grand, after all.
23:57 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng did it occur to you that lots of people don't care to stick memory or shop for it in their APPLIANCE?
23:58 < Jasper_Deng> yes
23:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng see, then he made people pay HIM to advertise for him
23:58 < mareklug> well, an iMac is a posh appliance to lots of people, most of them nontechnical
23:58 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: which, I conveniently ignore, b/c all my friends tend to provide the necessary technical support to those who aren't nerds.
23:58 < Jasper_Deng> so everyone uses PCs.
23:58 < bazinga> Mareklug http://m.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220735
23:58 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: ?
23:58 < Jasper_Deng> he's just a good businessman.
23:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah
23:59 < TeeTylerToe> Dell charges between $500 and $761 for an upgrade to 24GB of ram
23:59 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: if that's DDR3-2000, I'd expect that.
23:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> few people with the last name Jobs could start a company like apple
23:59 < Dcoetzee> That's like movie theatres charging $8 for a large Coke
23:59 < mareklug> bazinga 120!  and some kind of off-brand called Patriot Viper.  Find me Hynix or Samsung, I tell you. And 120 is not the 100 you said you would find.
23:59 < TeeTylerToe> It's 1333
23:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont see why he didnt also start an employment website or service
23:59 < bazinga> Mareklug I bought from amazon Canada
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23:59 < TeeTylerToe> what OEM would put in ddr3-2000 even for $761?
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