User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-05-24

--- Log opened Fri May 24 00:00:55 2013
00:00 < CensoredBiscuit> I like swearing :(
00:04 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#File-nuker_as_user-right.. - Please comment
00:04 < Qcoder00> I am proposing that 'file-deletion' be split out from the general admin powers
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00:05 < closedmouth> Betacommand: are you able to get BCBot4 working yet?
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00:07 < CensoredBiscuit> YuviPanda: can you legally drink in india at 19?
00:07 < YuviPanda> depends
00:07 < YuviPanda> on some cities it is as high as 25
00:08 < YuviPanda> usually it is 21 or 18
00:08 < YuviPanda> but ofcourse
00:08 < YuviPanda> nobody gives a fuck
00:08 < YuviPanda> you can be 13 and go buy a carton
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00:09 < CensoredBiscuit> you should go do that then
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00:11 < iDangerMouse> YuviPanda, is this college or unji?
00:11 < iDangerMouse> Uni
00:12 < Theo10011> unji
00:12 < Theo10011> that's what they have in India.
00:12 < YuviPanda> iDangerMouse: what's the difference?
00:12 < Theo10011> how did you know!?
00:12 < YuviPanda> CensoredBiscuit: that's the plan for latter today?
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00:13 < Theo10011> *later
00:13 < iDangerMouse> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_college_and_a_university
00:14 < CensoredBiscuit> in the US
00:14 < CensoredBiscuit> it all depends on what the school identifies as
00:15 < CensoredBiscuit> my college is a university though
00:17 < Theo10011> CensoredBiscuit, you wouldn't be related to a certain communist cookie?
00:17 < Theo10011> QueenOfFrance, ^ ;)
00:17 < CensoredBiscuit> hm?
00:18 < Theo10011> nevermind.
00:18 -!- YuviPanda is now known as zz_YuviPanda
00:18 < CensoredBiscuit> Theo10011: WHO DO YOU SPEAK OF?
00:18 < Theo10011> CensoredBiscuit, no one. there was an alleged troll named communist cookie, your nick sounded related.
00:19 < CensoredBiscuit> na.
00:19 < Qcoder00> hi I DangerMouse
00:19 < Theo10011> YuviPanda goes to sleep a lot around me.  :(
00:19 < SigmaWP> "Such findings can be applied into enhancing some functions of LTP and gliotransmission, such as repairing damaged nervous tissue and providing a solution to Alzheimer's disease, which, some scientists believe, are caused by the detoriation of LTP."
00:19 < SigmaWP> Anyone able to make this sentence not suck?
00:19 < CensoredBiscuit> I do want to be accused of being a sockpuppet though
00:19 < Theo10011> his last name isn't Panda I think, unless he's secretly a chinese panda.....
00:19 < iDangerMouse> hello Qcoder00.
00:19 < Theo10011> lets go with that theory
00:20 < Qcoder00> iDangerMouse:  There was a news item here in the UK a few days ago, about a political figure in Pakistan effectively running his campaign from the UK, Is this normal for Pakistani politicans?
00:20 < Theo10011> CensoredBiscuit, no accusations. Relax.
00:20 < CensoredBiscuit> Theo10011: I am relaxed
00:20 < CensoredBiscuit> I want to be accused
00:20 < Theo10011> Well than put some clothes on. :P
00:20 < Theo10011> *then
00:20 < CensoredBiscuit> only because I have a decent joke
00:20 < iDangerMouse> Qcoder00, Altaf Hussain founder of MQM, and one of the largest land Mafias in Pakistan, the answer is yes.
00:21 < Qcoder00> What is a land Mafia in this context?
00:21 < mareklug> SigmaWP link me
00:21 < SigmaWP> mareklug: That's all I have
00:21 < CensoredBiscuit> is the alternative mafia style water
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00:21 < mareklug> ??
00:21 < CensoredBiscuit> because thats a pirate
00:21 < SigmaWP> ?
00:21 < CensoredBiscuit> Theo10011: the only one allowed to stick a hand up me is your mom.
00:21 < SigmaWP> Do you need more context?
00:22 < iDangerMouse> Qcoder00, He forces people to sell their property to him, or he takes someone elses land, and builds property on it, gives it to rent, makes false deeds that he really owns it.
00:22 < iDangerMouse> That's how he gets his campaign money.
00:22 < Qcoder00> Ah.. Land fraud...
00:22 < Qcoder00> Not good
00:22 < CensoredBiscuit> Theo10011: that was my joke of why I want to be accused of sockpuppetry
00:22 < Theo10011> hmm sounds remotely offensive.
00:23 < mareklug> SigmaWP you said it was all you had.  where did you get it from?
00:23 < Theo10011> work a bit more on the your mom part.
00:23 < SigmaWP> mareklug: Oh, another person gave it to me
00:23 < CensoredBiscuit> Theo10011: howd you know im not wearing any clothes btw
00:23 < mareklug> it would be nice to know a) what the fuck is ths LTP, b) what findings.  Whose findings.
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00:24 < Theo10011> I was replying to you being relaxed.
00:24 < Theo10011> and I always assume people on IRC aren't wearing clothes
00:24 < iDangerMouse> hi kondi
00:24 < Theo10011> and then work back from that assumption
00:24 < harej> i'm wearing much more clothing than i should be right now
00:24 < Qcoder00> mareklug: in context - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_potentiation
00:25 < Theo10011> harej, you are an outlier. You need starbucks and twitter more than clothing or shelter.
00:25 < Revent> Qcoder00: that term has other meanings, lol...
00:26 < CensoredBiscuit> I guess I am kinda in my house right now
00:26 < CensoredBiscuit> I could get naked
00:26 < CensoredBiscuit> if its a requirement
00:26 < CensoredBiscuit> to be on irc
00:26 < harej> that's not totally true. if i had trouble procuring clothing or shelter then starbucks and twitter would have greatly diminished roles in my life
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00:26 < Theo10011> It is CensoredBiscuit.
00:26 < harej> CensoredBiscuit: not particularly; i think theo just wants you to be naked
00:26 < Theo10011> and biscuits don't need clothing and shit
00:26 < CensoredBiscuit> Theo10011: you're just trying to get me naked?
00:27 < Theo10011> I'm always trying to get everyone naked.
00:27 < Revent> "Long Term Potentiation" can refer to the use of non-psychoactive substances to increase the effect and/or duration of your 'period of enjoyment'. :)
00:27 < kondi> iDangerMouse: hiya
00:27 < Qcoder00> Theo10011:  Erm...
00:27 < SigmaWP> mareklug: Long term potentiation, and that astrocytes made mice learn stuff faster
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00:27 < Theo10011> Qcoder00, don't tell me you haven't been on IRC without clothes?
00:28 < Qcoder00> Any ops around?
00:28 < Theo10011> Yes
00:28 < mareklug> SigmaWP Qcoder00  the phrase SigmaWP typed in does not appear in the article Qcoder00 linked
00:28 < Qcoder00> Because I don't like where this is going
00:28 < Theo10011> lol
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00:28 < Theo10011> Sorry, it's one of the ops pushing things that way
00:28 < Theo10011> so I'll stop
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00:29 < Theo10011> wb YuviPanda
00:29 < YuviPanda> :)
00:29  * YuviPanda should get a new computer
00:29 < Theo10011> you go zz automatically?
00:29 < Theo10011> or is that how you are marked away
00:30 < mareklug> Qcoder00 you gotta love how they developed the Polish version of that moby LTA article
00:30 < mareklug> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Długotrwałe_wzmocnienie_synaptyczne
00:31 < CensoredBiscuit> im putting my clothes back on.. my laptop burns
00:31 < iDM|afk> YuviPanda, is t here any jamia islami college or something there
00:32 < YuviPanda> Theo10011: no that's the bouncer's doing
00:32 < YuviPanda> if my client disconnects it automatically changes nick
00:32 < Revent> I'm quite amused that Polish wikipedia mentions the position of the letter d in the latin alphabet before their own. They have a good sense of priorities. :P
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00:32 < YuviPanda> iDM|afk: possibly. there are about 500 colleges around this place...
00:32 < Theo10011> YuviPanda, got ya
00:33 < CensoredBiscuit> anyone here watch skins?
00:33 < YuviPanda> mediawiki/skins?
00:33 < mareklug> CensoredBiscuit only the British version, only on Netflix
00:34 < CensoredBiscuit> I loooove it
00:34 < mareklug> have you seen the British version?
00:34 < CensoredBiscuit> yes.
00:34 < Theo10011> YuviPanda, you need a new nick brah. Something to do with pandas.....
00:34 < mareklug> YuviPanda when are you gonna RfA?
00:34 < YuviPanda> never?
00:34 < YuviPanda> :P
00:35 < YuviPanda> I mean, I already have +2...
00:35 < CensoredBiscuit> my only problem is mareklug I feel like the entire series is predicable based on several factors
00:35 < YuviPanda> who needs RfA?
00:35 < YuviPanda> (besides, i'm not really an editor...)
00:35 < mareklug> we need someone in your general time zone neighborhood to be an admin.  If not you, I don't see any alternatives...
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00:35 < Theo10011> mareklug, cough cough
00:35 < Theo10011> I am.
00:35 < CensoredBiscuit> YuviPanda 2012
00:35 < mareklug> Theo10011 where are you?
00:35 < YuviPanda> mareklug: my timezone is a lot closer to Germany when i'm on my 'normal' hours
00:35 < YuviPanda> i'm on proper IST these days only for exams
00:36 < Theo10011> Same country as Yuvi, just a different end.
00:36 < YuviPanda> usually I sleep at 6am and wake up at 3p
00:36 < YuviPanda> m
00:36 < Theo10011> Vampire
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00:36 < mareklug> Theo10011 are you on the Kashmir end?
00:36 < Theo10011> the sunlight hurts their eyes.
00:36 < Theo10011> No
00:36 < Theo10011> The capital
00:36 < mareklug> you live in New Delhi?
00:36 < Theo10011> si
00:37 < mareklug> and you are there all the time?
00:37 < Theo10011> well, no.
00:37 < Theo10011> but most of the times.
00:37 < mareklug> who els is an admin between Israel and China?
00:37 < mareklug> not counting Ozzies
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00:37 < Theo10011> no idea
00:38 < CensoredBiscuit> mareklug: watcha got against ozzies
00:38 < Theo10011> we don't have a weekly meeting about wikipedia.
00:38 < mareklug> nothing, I am just asking about NONOZZIES
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00:39 < CensoredBiscuit> Theo10011: we should.. .
00:39 < CensoredBiscuit> I mean we could get naked and IRC about it.
00:39 < CensoredBiscuit> except without the getting naked
00:40 < mareklug> Theo10011 too bad your use page is mostly an exercise in design over functionality.  where is the babel thingee?
00:40 < Theo10011> No more naked talk. I'll have to silence myself.
00:40 < Theo10011> I don't know, I think I removed it.
00:40 < Theo10011> Roux did my page.
00:41 < Theo10011> and I'm mostly active on Meta.
00:41 < mareklug> that is a bit sucky of you.  also, removing/suppressing categories
00:41 < Theo10011> I'm barely active on enwp these days.
00:41 < Theo10011> Meta, commons and other project seem more fun
00:41 < mareklug> Theo10011 it should be a) obvious on inspection that you are an admin, b) what languages you can avail yourself in.
00:42 < Theo10011> but I'm not an admin!
00:42 < mareklug> Theo10011 all the more reason why we need an admin in your time zone after all
00:42 < Theo10011> at least not on enwp
00:42 < Theo10011> meta I am
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00:42 < mareklug> well why did you say you were, when I was getting Yuvi to the altar
00:42 < Revent> I must agree that admins who have redirected their user page to their talk page are rather annoying.
00:42 < Theo10011> Look, I need some politically correct version of affirmative action for me to bypass the rfa process.
00:43 < Revent> Simply because you can't easily see what categories they are in.
00:43 < Theo10011> and I'm in.
00:43 < YuviPanda> mareklug: but no :)
00:43 < YuviPanda> I'm going to limit myself to writing code :)
00:43 < YuviPanda> (and commons)
00:43 < mareklug> YuviPanda is there another trustworthy Indian on this channel?
00:43 < Theo10011> The mighty Panda has spoken.
00:44 < YuviPanda> I don't keep track of nationalities too well :P
00:44 < YuviPanda> I think kondi is the same timezone as I am
00:44 < YuviPanda> there are a fair amount of enwp admins from India, but I don't think any of them IRC
00:44 < mareklug> would kondi pass RfA this decase?
00:44 < mareklug> decade *
00:45 < Theo10011> kondi, you are not reliable, right?
00:45 < Theo10011> Sir Mimsy and Ashwin are admins I think from India.
00:45 < kondi> mareklug: certainly not
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00:45 < kondi> 13:14 < Theo10011> kondi, you are not reliable, right?
00:45 < kondi> heh
00:46 < Theo10011> :P
00:46 < Theo10011> Don't make me curse you out in gujarati like Anirudh
00:48 < kondi> you can't compete with him in cursing
00:48 < CensoredBiscuit> YuviPanda: what nationality is the biscuit?
00:49 < Revent> I actually kinda have a question for a 'code-type' person...
00:49 < YuviPanda> I do not know, but I assume since it is CensoredBiscuit, US
00:49 < YuviPanda> Revent: sure!
00:49 < CensoredBiscuit> why do you assume that?
00:49 < YuviPanda> :D Because you were talking about Uni and a 21 year alcohol limit?
00:50 < YuviPanda> plus everyone on the Internet is from the US until proven otherwise :P
00:50 < kondi> ^ this
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00:50 < CensoredBiscuit> its 3 am in the US right now
00:50 < CensoredBiscuit> and you think id be up?
00:50 < Revent> YuviPanda: Essentially, is there any kind of 'technical limit' I need to be careful of when transcluding subpages in my userspace to make sure I don't break anything?
00:50 < YuviPanda> yes
00:51 < YuviPanda> there's a 'transclusion' limit
00:51 < YuviPanda> the 'yes' was for CensoredBiscuit
00:51 < YuviPanda> Revent: there's a 'transclusion nesting limit' but the system will let you know if you hit it
00:51 < CensoredBiscuit> so you think id be up at 3?
00:51 < YuviPanda> CensoredBiscuit: yeah
00:51 < CensoredBiscuit> why?
00:51 < YuviPanda> University!
00:52 < YuviPanda> also, 'everyone on the Internet is from the US until proven otherwise'
00:52 < YuviPanda> s/proven/mentioned/
00:52 < Revent> YuviPanda: I'm only nesting 2 deep...it's just that it's a longish alphabetical list, with each entry a subpage inside of an 'alphabetical' subpage...
00:52 < YuviPanda> where are you from, CensoredBiscuit
00:53 < YuviPanda> Revent: the limits are enforced in software, IIRC. So as long as it works, it should be fine
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00:53 < CensoredBiscuit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizzou
00:53 < Revent> YuviPanda: Fair enough....
00:54 < YuviPanda> CensoredBiscuit: see i was right :)
00:54 < YuviPanda> also I remember you mentioned Mizzou
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00:55 < CensoredBiscuit> any one know if its legal to redirect user:censoredbiscuit to user:CensoredBiscuit?
00:56 < YuviPanda> CensoredBiscuit: there's global user renaming on Meta
00:56 < YuviPanda> check
00:57 < CensoredBiscuit> I dont need any imposters
00:58 < Revent> CensoredBiscuit: If the 'other' user doesn't exist, you can redirect it until that account is created.
00:58 < CensoredBiscuit> until?
00:58 < Revent> if someone creates it, you'll have to lose the redirect...
00:59 < Revent> (you can create the 'other' account yourself, and not use it)
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01:01 < CensoredBiscuit> isnt that sockpuppetry?
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01:04 < Prioryman> is there an admin in here at the moment?
01:06 < Prioryman> !admin Need some admin assistance here
01:06 < Shirik> what do you need
01:06 < addshore> ? :)
01:06 < Ks0stm> Ja?
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01:07 < Prioryman> aha
01:07 < Prioryman> could someone action an uncontroversial speedy deletion that I requested yesterday?
01:07 < Prioryman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_Gibraltar
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01:10 < Shirik> done
01:10 < IShadowed> isn't it past your bed time
01:10 < Prioryman> thanks Shirik!
01:10 < Shirik> yes
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01:10 < Revent> Prioryman: Is that a 'new' article you wrote?
01:11 < Shirik> good point
01:11 < CensoredBiscuit> YuviPanda: know calculus?
01:11 < Shirik> Prioryman http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fortifications_of_Gibraltar&oldid=555702050 doesn't look like its original form
01:12 < Prioryman> The original article is now at [[List of fortifications of Gibraltar]]
01:12 < Prioryman> I'm overhauling it next
01:12 < Shirik> oh, apparently I failed at reading history
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01:12 < Prioryman> My new article is the overview, the original article is the detailed list
01:12 < Shirik> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fortifications_of_Gibraltar&oldid=554713075 is the original
01:13 < Revent> I just have actually been there, and thought 'damn, that looks pretty good'! :)
01:13 < Prioryman> lol
01:13 < Prioryman> it's an interesting place, I was there last October
01:14 < Revent> You don't really mention the 'underground city' in much detail, tho.....it's one of the 'lesser known' thing because it's still closed to the public.
01:15 < Prioryman> I know, I'm planning to do a separate article on [[Tunnels of Gibraltar]]
01:15 < Prioryman> they actually have more miles of tunnels than they do of roads
01:15 < Revent> *nods* http://www.subterraneanhistory.co.uk/2007/11/gibraltar-ww2-tunnels.html
01:15 < Prioryman> i managed to sneak into one of the "closed" tunnels - fascinating place, even if a bit creepy and probably rather dangerous
01:16 < Revent> It would be pretty neat to get into...
01:17 < Revent> There are better sites that that one I linked....it just has a decent assortment of pics.
01:19 < Prioryman> yep
01:19 < Prioryman> i was exploring when I came across a man walking his dog in the tunnel (!)
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01:19 < Revent> Some video of inside here...http://tinyurl.com/p89h7zc
01:19 < Prioryman> apparently it's a bit of a rite of passage for Gibraltarian kids to get into the tunnel complex
01:20 < Revent> Prioryman: My understanding is that there are quite a few ways...
01:20 < Revent> 'disguised observation posts' and such...
01:20 < Prioryman> yes
01:20 < Prioryman> they've welded shut a lot of the entranceways, though, to stop that
01:21 < Revent> I'd be surprised if they haven't 'lost' a fair number though.
01:21 < Revent> (the 'minor' ways in I mean)
01:22 < Prioryman> oh sure
01:22 < Prioryman> and there are ventilation shafts and suchlike
01:22 < Prioryman> and in fact the way I got in had been forced open - someone had obviously used bolt cutters
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01:24 < Revent> Dunno if you were watching that video, but it shows EOD guys blowing out old 'boobytrap' charges abandoned in place.
01:24 < Prioryman> yes, they did that only a few years ago
01:24 < Prioryman> many of the tunnels were still owned by the British Army until quite recently
01:25 < Prioryman> I believe a few still are
01:25 < Revent> *was there about...15 years ago.
01:25 < Revent> Not too long after they banned the taxis from the area up at the top.
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01:26 < Prioryman> really? I remember seeing taxis up there only last year
01:26 < Prioryman> must have rescinded the ban, then
01:26 < Prioryman> it was kind of funny to see a taxi with monkeys hanging off every door  :D
01:27 < Revent> It was because of the monkeys, yeah....they were having problems with drivers stepping out of the car and leaving the motor running.
01:27 < Prioryman> it's not a good idea to have your car window open either
01:27 < Prioryman> and also probably not a good idea if you value your windscreen wipers
01:28 < Revent> I know at least one car knocked out a section of the stone railing and went down the 'water collection' thing...
01:28 < Prioryman> ouch
01:28 < Revent> I imagine it was a bit of a surprise to the monkey.
01:28 < Prioryman> you know, they used to have a chute at the far end of the peninsula to dump used cars into the sea
01:28 < Prioryman> not exactly environmentally sensitive
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01:29 < Revent> Yeah....probably like 'screw it, we're polluting Spain'.
01:29 < Prioryman> lol, probably
01:29 < Prioryman> that was back when the border with Spain was closed
01:29 < Prioryman> it was either dump them or ship them elsewhere
01:29 < Prioryman> and i guess dumping was cheaper
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02:01 < iDangerMouse> meh
02:03 < Archeaon> hi
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02:04 < iDangerMouse> Hello.
02:04 < Archeaon> how are you
02:04 < iDangerMouse> like poo
02:04 < iDangerMouse> yourself
02:04 < Archeaon> im tired
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02:06 < iDangerMouse> I have 35 IPs, 5 Static, and 4VPNs don't really care.
02:06 < Archeaon> lol ok
02:06 < Archeaon> just letting you know
02:07 < iDangerMouse> “Mary, why did you kick your brother in the stomach?! exclaimed the angry mother.
02:07 < iDangerMouse>  “It was pure accident, Mama. He turned around.”
02:07 < iDangerMouse> Back to Jameson drinking.
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02:20 < iDangerMouse> woops I meant YuviPanda
02:21  * legoktm pets the sleeping panda
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02:23 < iDangerMouse> legoktm, I can't get out of Canada after I land for 3 years so you got to drop by!
02:26 < legoktm> :(
02:26 < legoktm> I'll try!
02:28  * iDangerMouse hugs legoktm
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02:32 < SigmaWP> Does the html coding standard say <tag onClick> or <tag onclick>?
02:34 < elquanto> onClick just looks better
02:35 < tommorris> DOM events ffs, not onClick
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02:35 < elquanto> unless you like the taste of once
02:36 < elquanto> oncs* (damn you autocorrect)
02:36 < SigmaWP> tommorris: what?
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02:36 < tommorris> also, §7.1.6.2 of WHATWG HTML5 specifies "onclick" all lower-case
02:36 < tommorris> but you shouldn't use onclick - you should catch the DOM event programatically and use that.
02:37 < tommorris> because the onclick="" in HTML may fire even if the code that it calls hasn't loaded. that's why you need to bind to the event after the code it will call has been loaded
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02:40 < elquanto> but as a practical matter, firing to unloaded code means the user experience is null and they will probably click again
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02:40 < tommorris> ...and that's what you want to avoid
02:40 < elquanto> relative to division by zero it's probably no big deal
02:40 < tommorris> if you are designing it properly, the onclick will fall back to a hyperlink.
02:40 < tommorris> you know the thing in the href=""
02:41 < tommorris> or it'll fall back to submitting the form to the server if it is a button
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02:41 < iDangerMouse> hello tommorris
02:41 < tommorris> hey iDangerMouse
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02:45 < Revent> *chuckles Always interesting to watch the series of tlds roll around the world at night.
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02:47 < tommorris> I think I only used DOM. oh, and WHATWG.
02:47 < elquanto> all of the Wikipedia links in Google Maps in Shanghai render about 300 meters to the northwest of their lat long coordinates. I have no idea where or how to report this bug
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02:49 < Revent> Are you sure it's not a Google Maps georectification bug?
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02:49 < Revent> i.e. have you 'checked' the 'shown' location against 'known' coords to see if the 'map' is in the right place?
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02:50 < elquanto> I'm fairly sure it is a Google Maps problem because four weeks ago the satellite images were rendering 300 meters northwest but that got fixed about three weeks ago
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02:51 < Revent> Yeah, I figured it was probably them (because, to be honest, they suck at it a bit) :/
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02:52 < elquanto> I can figure out how to report a wrong position for a single landmark, but not for a whole layer
02:52 < Revent> Yeah, I was looking to see if there was an error page for that.
02:53 < elquanto> I have a feeling then solution involves searching Google+ for a Google maps manager and commenting on their posts
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02:54 < Revent> "Our data providers are listed in the lower right-hand corner of the map. In some cases, you may have to zoom in to see the specific provider for an area. If the data provider is Tele Atlas and you want to report an error directly to them, use the Map Insight system. If you don't find your local data provider in the above list and Map Maker isn't a
02:54 < Revent> vailable, please locate the correct data provider and contact them directly."
02:54 < elquanto> lol
02:54 < Revent> Ye, kinda of a 'piss off'.
02:56 < elquanto> I will find a shared photo of some Google Maps manager getting wasted at a Google I/O after-party and mercilessly annotate it with imgur screen caps
02:56 < Revent> *lols*
02:56 < Revent> You know why they have this problem, right?
02:56 < elquanto> no
02:57 < tommorris> *cough* OpenStreetMap *cough*
02:57 < Revent> They get image data from different satellites, and instead of actually doing the math to 'map' it to the right geoid they do like 5 points per square mile.
02:57 < elquanto> it's the chinese government attempting to hide the ICBM coordinates of their submarine bases?
02:57 < elquanto> oh
02:58 < Revent> The islands in San Francisco harbor are /really/ bad....when you go from one layer to the next, some move by over half their length.
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03:00 < elquanto> hmm, I see. thanks, I'll report this today
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03:03 < tommorris> where i live, Google Maps now tells me there's a church about 100m from my house. there isn't.
03:04 < tommorris> meanwhile, OSM is looking quite pretty - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=29.522&lon=113.14&zoom=9&layers=M ;)
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03:07 < Qcoder00> OSM even has 'limited' maps of North Korea XD
03:07 < Qcoder00> :O
03:08 < tommorris> I've helped edit them.
03:08 < tommorris> Kim Jong Un is probably unhappy with me.
03:08 < tommorris> I hope he doesn't stare at me or anything.
03:09 < tommorris> http://kimjongunlookingatthings.tumblr.com/ for those who don't get that reference
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03:18 < wctaiwan> mareklug: listening to the ridiculously cheerful Cats the musical.
03:19 < mareklug> so disgusting
03:19 < wctaiwan> hah. :)
03:19 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi
03:19 < wctaiwan> go to bed
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03:20 < mareklug> it's 5;20 am.  I missed bed.  Will have to catch the next bed.
03:21 < SigmaWP> fine
03:23 < mareklug> wctaiwan you heard about another interstate bridge falling in the US?
03:23 < wctaiwan> o__o. no I haven't.
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03:24 < mareklug> on I-5 between Seattle and Vancouver
03:24 < mareklug> Vancouver canada
03:24 < wctaiwan> wow.
03:24 < mareklug> as opposed to Vancouver, WA, which is a suburb of Portland, OR, and would be in the opposite direction
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03:25 < wctaiwan> bugger, need to write a java applet for homework, but I really don't want to install a separate JRE in my browser..
03:25 < mareklug> install it in your mac
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03:25 < wctaiwan> I don't always have that with me.
03:26 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: good night
03:26 < wctaiwan> night
03:26 < mareklug> wctaiwan McMall is heavily discounting MacBook Pros with retina, one as much as 599 bucks.  I think it means new stuff is coming at WWDC
03:26 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: webchat.
03:26 < SigmaWP> i see
03:27 < wctaiwan> probably; but I assume they're just speculating like we are.
03:27 < wctaiwan> apple doesn't leak product announcements.
03:27 < mareklug> nah, they probably know as major distributiorsexactly what's up
03:28 < wctaiwan> they're probably speculating from 1. common sense and 2. suppliers.
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03:31 < wctaiwan> mareklug: bit of a shame ThinkPad Helix is still not out
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03:31 < wctaiwan> would have been the best Ivy Bridge laptop, imo.
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03:35 < mareklug> what would make it the best?
03:36 < wctaiwan> well, comparing against macs would have been apple to oranges
03:37 < wctaiwan> it's out in some countries--just not taiwan (or the US)
03:37 < wctaiwan> it's got a nice IPS display, a nice and long battery life, good build quality, ultrabook-grade performance, a decent keyboard.
03:37 < wctaiwan> and doubles as a high quality tablet
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03:41 < mareklug> http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4161&news=Lenovo-ThinkPad-Helix-Dockable-Windows-8-Tablet
03:41 < mareklug> Lenovo ThinkPad Helix Dockable Windows 8 Tablet Can Now Be Ordered in the U.S.
03:41 < mareklug> By Ed Hardy, TabletPCReview Editor
03:41 < mareklug> 	|
03:41 < mareklug>  Tuesday, May 21, 2013
03:41 < mareklug> 	|
03:41 < mareklug> 2240 Reads
03:42 < tommorris> "I want to rub my greasy fucking fingers all over the screen of my laptop", I said to myself never.
03:43 < mareklug> "This device includes a 11.6-inch touchscreen with a Full HD (1920 x 1080) resolution."
03:43 < mareklug> "24-inch (1920 x 1200)"   and that is my iMac's resolution.  I am a bit put off that this new wonder thing would have worse resolution than my 4 yearold machine.
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04:03 < legoktm> [03:55:32 AM] <legoktm>	 If you dont know whether someone is a Mr. or a Dr., what's the less-impolite way to address them?
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04:03 < Theo10011> hey you?
04:03 < Theo10011> I'm pretty sure, Dr. still remain Mr.
04:03 < iDangerMouse> yawns
04:03 < legoktm> So go with Mr.?
04:03 < mareklug> legoktm would this be a teacher?
04:04 < Theo10011> One is gender specific the other is a title bestowed after certain amount of education
04:04 < legoktm> mareklug: well he works in the academic office. his online profile doesn't say "Professor blah" though
04:04 < Theo10011> Mr. <last name> has never been a problem
04:04 < legoktm> Theo10011: thanks. I'll just go with that then.
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04:04 < Theo10011> yw
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04:04 < mareklug> legoktm too bad, b/c addressing someone per professor is always correct, regardless of degree
04:04 < Theo10011> why is the mouse annoyed?
04:05 < legoktm> mareklug: what do you mean?
04:05 < Theo10011> mareklug, I don't follow either.
04:05 < mareklug> anyone who teaches, professes
04:05 < legoktm> er
04:05 < legoktm> he doesn't teach though.
04:05 < Theo10011> Yes, but as far as titles go, not everyone who teaches is a professor.
04:06  * iDM|Annoyed throws Theo10011 out of the windows
04:06 < legoktm> he works in the academic office
04:06 < mareklug> so he is not a professor, which is why I said "too bad".
04:06 < Theo10011> No unauthorized defenstrations please iDM|Annoyed
04:06  * Theo10011 eats iDM|Annoyed 
04:06 < mareklug> You won't be impolite if you call him Mr.
04:06 < iDM|Annoyed> defenestrations
04:06  * Theo10011 spits iDM|Annoyed out of the window
04:07 < Theo10011> there you go multiple
04:07 < Theo10011> Why are you annoyed? I left before you started drinking jameson
04:07 < Revent> Just out of curiosity, where do you apply for a defenestration permit?
04:07 < Theo10011> WMF?
04:08 < Theo10011> c/o legal dept - defenestration branch
04:08 < legoktm> defenestration@wikimedia.org
04:08 < Revent> (hrms) I would have figure they'd call it a 'content' issue and leave it to the local wiki somwehere. :P
04:09 < mareklug> "It's a radiation vibe I'm groovin' on" -- Hem
04:11 < Revent> (laughs, and is off to go gripe on "Talk:Defenestration") Voluntarily jumping out a window is not a "Notable defenestration in history"
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04:13 < Theo10011> heh
04:13 < Theo10011> I should go do something too.
04:14 < Revent> (laughs harder) Apparently "jumping out of windows" was merged, and the consensus is it qualifies as 'autodefenestration'. I love wikipedia. :)
04:14 < Theo10011> lol
04:14 < iDM|Annoyed> Theo10011, I am mourning.
04:15 < Theo10011> anything particular iDM|Annoyed?
04:15 < Theo10011> or just life in general
04:15 < Theo10011> I'll join you if it's the second one
04:15 < iDM|Annoyed> my gf /fiance to be passed away.
04:15 < Theo10011> oh
04:15 < Theo10011> My condolences
04:16 < Theo10011> When?
04:16 < iDM|Annoyed> Yesterday.
04:17 < Theo10011> :(
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04:41 < GorillaWarfare> Your oreos?
04:42 < iDM|Annoyed> << cookie monster >
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04:43 < iDM|Annoyed> GorillaWarfare, I am often refered to as the oreo troll :P
04:44 < GorillaWarfare> I see
04:44 < GorillaWarfare> I don't have any
04:44 < GorillaWarfare> But if you find some, I wouldn't be opposed to you sharing a few :)
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04:44 < iDM|Annoyed> Ok.
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06:18 < iDM> Pakistani Airlines Plane from Lahore to Manchester diverted by British Typhoon jets
06:19 < NotASpy> flight PK709, now landed safely at London Stansted Airport.
06:20 < iDM> NotASpy, you big ....
06:21 < iDM> never mind
06:21 < NotASpy> ;-)
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06:22 < NotASpy> the interesting bit starts now - is it a common security panic about someone making a bomb joke, or is it something like a hijack. PIA have confirmed it's a security related diversion though.
06:23 < kondi> iDM: you're going back to canada?
06:23 < iDM> NotASpy, according to my source, 3 alleged Taliban on it.
06:24 < iDM> kondi, yes, next year
06:24 < iDM> Was planning to go to NY though, but no point anymore.....
06:24 < kondi> ah nice :)
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06:26 < NotASpy> Essex Police reporting than an incident occurred on board during the flight and this is the reason for the diversion.
06:27 < GorillaWarfare> :S
06:27 < iDM> Interesting
06:27 < GorillaWarfare> Why can't we all just get alooong
06:27 < iDM> GW, share the love with Oreos <3
06:28 < NotASpy> I'm guessing it's not someone complaining the duty free is to expensive.
06:29 < iDM> NotASpy, I'll catch y you later, ok? Just not in the chaty mood at all so  gonna be afk.
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06:29 < NotASpy> yeah, no probs. Take care.
06:30 < NotASpy> and as someone pointed out, all the media are on the west side of London, taking footage of the BA Airbus A319 which had a bird strike and engine fire this morning. Don't expect video coverage of Stansted too quickly
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06:42 < NotASpy> two stories emerging about flight PK709 - contact with pilot lost and disruptive passenger causing trouble. Suspect both stories correct and contact with plane temporarily lost whilst flight crew dealt with disruptive passenger.
06:43 < GorillaWarfare> Wonder what constitutes "disruptive" in this case
06:44 < NotASpy> I believe a passenger or relative at Stansted has seen the plane begin disembarkation. PIA don't serve alcohol, as far as I'm aware, so this disruption must be something more unusual.
06:47 < russavia> complaining over getting the wrong bag of peanuts
06:47 < shimgray> NotASpy, you don't get much video of Stanstead.
06:48 < shimgray> isn't it the one with barriers so you can't easily see the planes? I may be misremembering
06:49 < shimgray> ah, no, it's just physical isolation:
06:49 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stansted_Airport#Incidents_and_accidents
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06:53 < NotASpy> back later.
06:55 < iDM|Afk> NotASpy, 2 people arrested like I told you.
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06:59 < Swob> wheres my nasal spray???
06:59 < iDM|Afk> dont care.
07:00 < Jetro> iDM|Afk: Rude.
07:00 < iDM|Afk> Totally.
07:00 < Jetro> :l
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07:13 < a930913> What do people think about the suggested vandalism level? http://tools.wmflabs.org/cluestuff/cgi-bin/charts.py?width=1000
07:14 < Swob> hmm I never knew the Village People were black
07:14 < Swob> or mostly black it seems
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08:08 < detox_> yay, my job is safe!
08:09 < GorillaWarfare> detox_: Congratulations
08:09 < detox_> Thanks, i work at ICAO
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08:11 < detox_> Qatar did a proposal to move the ICAO from Montreal, Canada to Qatar
08:11 < detox_> paying for everything
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08:11 < wctaiwan> SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN :P
08:11 < detox_> but just a few minutes ago, Qatar withdrew its proposal
08:12 < wctaiwan> why?
08:13 < detox_> Intervention on many levels
08:13 < wctaiwan> oh.
08:13 < detox_> as ICAO is a UN office
08:13 < wctaiwan> ..really?
08:13 < wctaiwan> well, screw that *cough*
08:14 < detox_> officially, it's a UN agency
08:14 < detox_> wich oversees civil aviation
08:15 < wctaiwan> http://www.icao.int/MemberStates/Member%20States.English.pdf yeah >.>
08:16 < a930913> Oh dear, "just a few minutes ago, Qatar withdrew its proposal" so I went to look for a pump proposal by a User:Qatar :/
08:16 < detox_> Qatar proposed a plan to move the entire headquarters to their country, even paying for all employees
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08:18 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: What's your view on VoxelBot's vandalism information?
08:19 < GorillaWarfare> a930913: I'm... not sure I understand it
08:20 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Vandalism_information&action=history
08:21 < GorillaWarfare> a930913: Are you asking if I agree with the levels it's been posting?
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08:33 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: Sorry, got distracted :p Yes, do you agree?
08:34 < Swob> a930913 ive done things like that too
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08:34 < Swob> but in my defense its probably partly because i use browser shortcuts
08:34 < a930913> Swob: Like what?
08:35 < Swob> so e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Qatar is just a 2-letter difference from http://news.google.com/?q=Qatar
08:35 < Swob> 'uc qatar' for the first and 'gn qatar' for the second
08:35 < a930913> Swob: No, I just completely missed the context and just assumed wikipedia :p
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08:41 < Swob> ok
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08:59 < Swob> i dont know why people say there's no women on Wikipedia. I mean it seems like every day someone named "yourmom" something or other shows up
08:59 < TheDruId> Swob, hadn't noticed.
09:00 < iDangerMouse> Huh?
09:00 < iDangerMouse> Hello TheDruId
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09:02 < TheDruId> iDangerMouse, Howdy. :D
09:03 < iDangerMouse> Not too good. You
09:05 < GorillaWarfare> That may be the first time I've ever heard someone respond to "howdy" as an abbreviation and not as a greeting
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09:09 < TheDruId> GorillaWarfare, 'For everything, there is a first time...' :p
09:10 < iDM> TheDruId, Hailey died yesterday, and alcohol does nothing but damage the liver, so I feel like poo.
09:11 < GorillaWarfare> I'm sorry for your loss, iDM
09:11 < TheDruId> iDM, I'm sorry, Hailey, who?
09:11 < iDM> Gf/ fiance to be.
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09:11 < iDM> Ty, GW. And DruId.
09:12 < TheDruId> iDM, Then I'm very sorry; I lost a former girlfriend to breast cancer.
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