User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-05-11

--- Log opened Sat May 11 00:00:13 2013
00:00 < killiondude> yep
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00:00 < popl> I notice that some topics on Wikipedia are redirected to other articles but are not mentioned within those articles.
00:00 < popl> I was wondering if someone "Munsoned" it or something.
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00:04 < juancarlos> good evening comrade jubo2
00:04 < jubo2> hello juancarlos
00:04 < jubo2> I have a teraton of school stuff I need to get started on
00:05 < juancarlos> does it involved schematics for a nuclear reactor?
00:07 < jubo2> No. it involves making business plan for imaginary business
00:07 < jubo2> other stuff requires making 20 min presentation in French
00:07 < russavia> talking of anti-suomites-- hey jubo2
00:07 < jubo2> and my French is legendarily bad
00:07 < popl> proper legend?
00:07 < popl> like tapestry-legend?
00:08 < jubo2> russavia: huh? I love Suomi
00:08 < popl> brave sir jubo2 ran away
00:08 < russavia> jubo2 -- referencing this -- http://i.imgur.com/qWJ3qWc.png
00:08 < popl> bravely ran away
00:08 < jubo2> another polandball I gather *clicks*
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00:13 < russavia> i've listened to some of this "black metal" -- interesting but crazy shit
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00:17 < closedmouth> ulver is pretty good
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00:18 < juancarlos> is iDM iDangerMouse?
00:18 < juancarlos> if so oh dear god
00:18 < wctaiwan> it is, juancarlos
00:18 < wctaiwan> run for your life.
00:19 < iDM> too tired to do anything.
00:20 < popl> dangermouse?
00:20 < jubo2> dangermousse
00:20 < popl> I remember watching that when I was much younger.
00:20 < iDM> juancarlos I don't even remember what I had for dinner. and I really don't remember you.
00:21 < juancarlos> killy here
00:21 < popl> iDM: did you have roofies for dinner?
00:21 < iDM> I think I ski
00:21 < iDM> skipped it.
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00:22 < iDM> Killy killiondude ?
00:22 < juancarlos> yes
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00:23 < iDM> ok. and hei jubo2
00:23 < jubo2> hei iDM
00:23 < iDM> wctaiwan Election Day here and bomb blasts.
00:23 < wctaiwan> >.<
00:24 < wctaiwan> http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2013/05/08/this-is-for-samuel/ :D JoCo can into supporting free culture.
00:27 < iDM> laters
00:28 < jubo2> seeya iDM
00:28 < wctaiwan> bye iDM
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00:29 < popl> Oh, he didn't get my joke. :)
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01:04 < popl> goodbye
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01:21 < Guerillero> is there anyone who knows kant arround?
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01:22 < harej> immanuel kant?
01:22 < Bronz_> damn, beat me to it.
01:22 < Guerillero> yes
01:23 < Guerillero> I think I am missing the point of  empirically real yet transcendentally ideal
01:23 < harej> well, step 1: fuck kant
01:23 < harej> that should answer your question
01:25 < Guerillero> the more my class works with kant the less I like him
01:25 < harej> no one likes kant
01:25 < harej> read nietzsche he's cooler
01:26 < Guerillero> I am a personal fan of foucault
01:26 < harej> Nietzsche was the original Foucault.
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01:28 < closedmouth> guys can we go easy on the swearing
01:29 < Guerillero> umm
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01:38 < sam> Foucault, I won't do what you tell me.
01:39 < Guerillero> sam: that's ok, sovereign power is useless
01:40  * Guerillero continues the line of logic into feminism
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01:56 < russavia> feck where' chrisgualtieri
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--- Log opened Sat May 11 02:24:18 2013
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02:32 < SigmaWP> night
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03:18 < iDM> elections is a joke here. ill bet nawaz sharif would win.
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03:22 < iDM> ugh troll
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03:40 < iDM> jubo2 oh I go all my fingers the knife goes chop chop.... wanna play?
03:41 < jubo2> iDM: no tnx
03:41 < jubo2> iDM: so you went to vote
03:41 < jubo2> despite of the threat of violence
03:41 < jubo2> It's important to vote
03:41 < iDM> I don't have a Pakistani passport. Iranian and Canadian :)
03:41 < jubo2> by voting one gains the permission to tell all the politicians that they are shit
03:42 < jubo2> If you don't vote you don't get to tell they are shit
03:42 < jubo2> iDM: Iranian huh
03:42 < jubo2> Iwanian women are hot
03:43 < iDM> well... it doesn't work that way here. I wouldn't know I'm hardly interested in Iranian women.
03:43 < iDM> too weird for my taste.
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04:11 < mattbuck> the life of the wife is ended by the knife
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04:20 < rabiescat99> "Cooking time varies from 10–15 minutes to 24 hours at 93 °C (199 °F), depending on the amount of cannabis used - .8 grams takes from 15–25 minutes,[citation needed] even though it is better to extend that time a bit more by not exceeding the 100 °C (212 °F) border, or even lowering to 90 °C (194 °F), to 24 hours for 30 grams."
04:20 < rabiescat99> This can't be true. 24 hours?
04:20 < rabiescat99> Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_foods#Butter
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04:59 < iDM> mhm
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05:22 < Maple__> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/newsgraphics/2013/0511-climate/0511-climate.png
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05:50 < jubo2> Cheezy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_doughnut !
05:52 < jubo2> double wiener & triple cheeze !
05:53 < jubo2> I made double halloumi double wiener hot dogs just the other day just to discover that the serving size is under 1 unless very hungry
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06:19 < FourFire> Hello
06:19 < FourFire> Would anyone know of a page on Stanford university's IT equipment in 2012?
06:20 < FourFire> or perhaps a channel where someone who might know something about that is located?
06:20 < mareklug> I don't think we have articles on IT equipment of a given university.  Why not ask Stanford IT about its equipment in 2012?
06:21 < FourFire> Yeah, do you have a clue if they have an IRC channel somewhere?
06:22 < mareklug> FourFire now why would an IT department of a university have an IRC channel somewhere?  What planet are you from?
06:22 < FourFire> is this Net dense in IT channels?
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06:22 < FourFire> Earth--- there's lots of crazy meaningless things here, haven't you looked around?
06:23 < mareklug> FourFire Stanford IT is more likely to block IRC access altogether campus-wide rather than maintain an IRC channel for itself.
06:23 < FourFire> I suppose so
06:23 < mareklug> FourFire why don't you stop joshing.  Just say what info you really need.
06:24 < FourFire> I would like to find out exactly what equipment was used in executing this simulation project: wholecell.stanford.edu
06:24 < FourFire> (but I doubt anyone here has that information)
06:25 < mareklug> Last updated Sep 1, 2012. Contact wholecell@lists.stanford.edu.
06:25 < mareklug> on the other hand, people here have the uncanny ability to read obvious information and make obvious inferences. :/
06:25 < FourFire> I have contacted them and recieved no reply...
06:26 < mareklug> then pick up the phone and call one of the authors
06:26 < mareklug> © Jonathan Karr, Jayodita Sanghvi, Derek Macklin, Jared Jacobs, and Markus Covert.
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06:27 < mareklug> http://covertlab.stanford.edu/subpages/contact.php
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06:32 < elkng> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonshine_by_country
06:32 < elkng> wrong channel
06:35 < FourFire> "aragh! device" I'll remember that
06:36 < FourFire> thankyou for your clarifying help
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07:10 < iDM> hi wctaiwan
07:10 < wctaiwan> hi
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07:14 < iDM> wctaiwan  Iran will probably strike a deal in July Rafsanjani running for election
07:14 < wctaiwan> cool
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07:20 < iDM> hey Jetro
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07:21 < Jetro> hi iDangerMouse
07:21 < Jetro> : d
07:22 < iDM> time for me to go
07:22 < mareklug> iDM go where?
07:22 < iDM> disappear few days work ...
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07:23 < mareklug> wctaiwan I installed 10.8.3 on a Firewire 800-mounted external disk partition, just to have a working back-up ready to roll.  typing from it.
07:23 < wctaiwan> cool.
07:24 < closedmouth> wctaiwan: i had a sandwich for lunch
07:24 < mareklug> closedmouth link us some exotic music you favor
07:24 < wctaiwan> cool.
07:24  * closedmouth np: Om - Flight Of The Eagle [http://www.last.fm/music/Om/_/Flight+Of+The+Eagle]
07:24 < wctaiwan> foreach (highlight) echo 'cool';
07:25 < mareklug> closedmouth that is not a full song, only a snippet.
07:25 < closedmouth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooxu9qa3mTw
07:25 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYgyL7NlwJQ  <-- this is
07:27 < mareklug> wctaiwan you meant:  foreach (highlight) echo 'cool.';
07:27 < wctaiwan> cool
07:28 < mareklug> also, I think you really want:  $highlight
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07:29 < lexein> Good morning
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07:30 < mareklug> lexein and morning to you.
07:30 < lexein> hey mareklug
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07:37 < lexein> I just req. page protection for http://enwp.org/Subrip again. People (IP people, mostly) keep vandalizing the subtitle http://enwp.org/Subrip#SubRip_.srt_file_example  Last year it was edit warring over political screeds or literal copyrighted movie subtitles. This year it was other stuff. It all seemed to stop when I switched the example to one about clouds. But that one was made up, and so...
07:37 < lexein> ...was unsourceable. This year I switched the example to one from a Creative Commons film by WMF. Unfortunately, the subs are _about editing_ and so represents an irresistible temptation. Suggestions for better, citable examples?
07:39 < lexein> (Here's the clouds example, which I like, but can't be sourced because I made it up - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SubRip&oldid=553878782 )
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07:52 < mareklug> wctaiwan over here, well, on the East coast, *locust*
07:52 < mareklug> *cicadas*
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08:03 < closedmouth> we get crickets and cicadas here
08:03 < mareklug> cicadas here come every 17 years.  this is the year for east coast.
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08:11 < OlEnglish> what happened to  Special:FeedbackDashboard ?
08:11 < OlEnglish> was that discontinued?
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08:15  * lexein If anyone cares, I've updated the example to one from a book, & cited it. Now it's at least defensible. Took until 2012 for an example to be published in RS. Seriously, that's just wack.
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08:16 < closedmouth> OlEnglish: what was that?
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16:40 < kuzetsa> :)
16:40 < Carly> ok
16:41 < kuzetsa> Hi Carly... it was a reference to this --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural_(U.S._TV_series)
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16:58 < Swob> "intertonic" isnt in wiktionary
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17:01 < Bsadowski1> At least not by coal balls.
17:02 < Bsadowski1> :P
17:02 < Bsadowski1> Hi Sigma.
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17:20 < moogsi> sturdy
17:20 < Carly> moogsi is ddos attack
17:20 < Carly> :p
17:20 < moogsi> is it? :l
17:21 < Carly> yes,servers are being attacked by ddos
17:21 < moogsi> bah :\
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17:29 < C\> Your edit on Global Minorities Alliance has been reverted by PinkAmpersand (Show changes)
17:29 < C\> "rm redundant"
17:29 < C\> 1 minute ago
17:29 < C\> Cool
17:29 < David_Stevenson> lol
17:29 < PinkQuelqueChose> sorry :P
17:29  * PinkQuelqueChose is in super-gnomeish mode. that's all
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17:34 < C\> PinkQuelqueChose: I don't mind at all
17:34 < C\> Echo is cool
17:34 < PinkQuelqueChose> i know right?
17:37 < PinkQuelqueChose> I've been reverted 3 times since Echo went live. I'm starting to wonder how often it used to happen! lol
17:37 < Swob> it still only shows it when your name is in the edit summary
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17:37 < Swob> i used to just load my contribs page all the time, to check for things that didnt say (top)
17:38 < Swob> i use popups, so I'd just hover over everything where my edit wasnt the latest to see if it had been reverted
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17:38  * David_Stevenson realizes he has a user subpage with every admins name on it, makes an edit that pings them all and strolls away
17:38 < C\> [17:37:53] �<�Swob�>� i used to just load my contribs page all the time, to check for things that didnt say (top)
17:38 < C\> same here
17:39 < C\> What happened to top anyway
17:39 < C\> Now it says current
17:40 < PinkQuelqueChose> Swob: no, I didn't use Sigma's name in that edit summary
17:40 < PinkQuelqueChose> C\: some brave admin just went ahead and changed it. good call. the talk page had like one complaint every 3 years since 2002.... one of those things you don't pay much attention to, but, if you stop and think about it, is sorta a dumb name
17:41 < PinkQuelqueChose> I changed it on Wikidata after that.
17:41 < PinkQuelqueChose> there's no other context in which we discuss contribs in a "top-to-bottom" orientation
17:41 < C\> Hm
17:41 < C\> Seems legit
17:41 < David_Stevenson> PinkQuelqueChose: what page are we talking about?
17:41 < Swob> yeah I remember when 'top' was changed to 'current'
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17:42 < Swob> i posted a hack to change it back but it didnt work properly and no one seems to have raised the issue since hten
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17:42 < Swob> I think people've largely forgotten about minor things like that now that we have Echo
17:42 < PinkQuelqueChose> David_Stevenson: ummm... MediaWiki:uctop
17:43 < David_Stevenson> oh, okay
17:43 < PinkQuelqueChose> anyways, though, I actually do the same thing with my contribs and popups
17:43 < PinkQuelqueChose> there should be a "show only edits that *aren't* the latest revision" option. way more useful than the opposite
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17:46 < PinkQuelqueChose> also, did anyone ever file a bug report on a "current human edit" option? i remember someone suggesting it a while back
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17:58 < PinkQuelqueChose> lol I just discovered https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/MezzoMezzo ... anyone who could operate 6 major accounts at once wouldn't even deserve to be blocked
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18:03 < Maple__{netsplit> OMFG
18:03 < Maple__{netsplit> YES
18:03 < Maple__{netsplit> HELLO EVERYONE
18:03 < Maple__{netsplit> I MISSED Y'ALL
18:03 < Maple__{netsplit> er
18:03 < Maple__{netsplit> wrong channel
18:03 < Maple__{netsplit> nvm
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18:03 < EvilSon> Finally.
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18:04 < FastLizard4> Hmm
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18:04 < EvilSon> It took calvino long enough to get back with Freenode
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18:04 < FastLizard4> Looks like freenode is having issues tday
18:04 < FastLizard4> *today
18:04 < David_Stevenson> pingpingpingpingping
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18:04 < EvilSon> FastLizard, we were under attack... DDOS attack.
18:04 < FastLizard4> Really?
18:05 < FastLizard4> Fun
18:05 < Swob> hi Flizz
18:05 < FastLizard4> Hey Swob :)
18:05 < EvilSon> Yeah, unfortunately
18:05 < EvilSon> Well, we're back.
18:05 < FastLizard4> Anyone know who's responsible?
18:05 < David_Stevenson> someone who doesn't have a life
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18:05 < David_Stevenson> they are usually the culprit
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18:08 < mareklug> Swob I continue to accrue nearly useless gagets for sentimental reasons.  A dude in North York, Ontario is sending me my first teenagehood camera, the East German Practica LLC.
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18:14 < mareklug> Swob http://mattsclassiccameras.com/praktica_llc.html
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18:15 < Maple__> ...Stareh is in here o.O
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18:16 < Maple__> wait wuut
18:16 < Swob> cool
18:17 < Swob> East German? wait, were you in Poland then?
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18:17 < Swob> I didnt think East German cameras were much used in the USA ever
18:18 < Swob> I wonder how good that camera is compared to today's cameras
18:18 < Swob> digitals, especially
18:18 < mareklug> even in the 90s you could buy them via J&R in New York
18:19 < mareklug> it is a very solid mechanical camera.  As Matt lets on, it has a very sturdy metal shutter.  And even with a dead battery and therefore no electrically enforced open aperture metering or match-needle light measuring, it works.
18:20 < mareklug> the lens, when it is Pentacon f1.8, is exceptional.
18:20 < Swob> a camera that runs with no electricity?
18:21 < mareklug> indeed
18:21 < Swob> I thought that even the very earliest cameras ever produced alwas required batteries
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18:23 < mareklug> no.  as I said, the light meter will need it, the match needle indicator will need it, and in this case, the electric lens will need it to allow you to move the aperture to stopped down settings while keeping the aperture physically open.  but you don't need all that.  you just need a light meter with you and even without a light meter, if you know your stuff, you can guess the exposure values (f stop / shutter speed combination for a
18:23 < mareklug>  given film sensitivity measured in ISO)
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18:25 < mareklug> the camera will advance the film and rewind it when you are done mechanically (I mean, you will do it), and pressing the shutter will activate the shutter mechanically, and the shutter will be open for the mechanically selected duration.  and the lens will close down to the mechanically selected aperture.  all mechanical.
18:26 < mareklug> it's a sweet thing to have again in the house for 46 bucks delivered. :)
18:27 < Swob> theres probably such a thing as a windup camera
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18:27 < mareklug> what do you mean by windup?  like a windup radio?
18:27 < Swob> I remember seeing wind-up computers being sold in Africa
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18:27 < Swob> so if you can run a computer, you can probably run anything smaller than a computer
18:27 < Swob> yeah
18:27 < mareklug> right.  but mechanical SLRs were the norm until the 70s
18:29 < mareklug> Swob btw, I ended up going with an LG840G on AT&T for my continuing tracfone needs
18:29 < mareklug> it's a semi-smart phone for the poor. :)  it was introduced last November
18:30 < mareklug> it does not run on Android, but on some kind of a Java thing.  but you can install Opera on it.
18:30 < Swob> yeah Ive sold that phone
18:30 < mareklug> and it does Wi-Fi
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18:31 < mareklug> I got it from HSN for 80 with a year's worth of activation and 1400 minutes (and triple minutes for life).  I will transfer my expiring phone's number to it and its 1500 minutes (which very well may become 4500 minutes, but with Tracfone, you never know when they gyp you)
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18:32 < Swob> from what I understand it stays 1500
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18:33 < mareklug> well, they do say it is triple minutes….  but I guess they will exclude it somehow as it is a transfer and not a purchase.
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18:43 < Dragonfly6-7> I sing of Olaf glad and big.
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18:45 < Sven_Manguard> Hey peeps. I need help with CSS, anyone good with that?
18:46 < mareklug> whose warmest heart recoiled at war: / a conscientious object-or
18:46 < Fleet|mobile> Sven_Manguard: try #css perhaps?
18:46 < Dragonfly6-7> I will not kiss your fucking flag.
18:46 < Sven_Manguard> Fleet|mobile: Wikimedia CSS
18:46 < Swob> hi Sven
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18:46 < C\> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1e4nbm/russian_wikipedia_which_just_passed_the_million/
18:46 < C\> 'tis relevant
18:46 < mareklug> more brave than me:more blond than you.
18:46 < Swob> ask in here first, then #tech, then VPump maybe
18:47 < Swob> Im always curious to hear qustions like thuis even if i cant hel[p
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18:48 < mareklug> Sven_Manguard well. entertain us, do, with your css query
18:48 < Fleet|mobile> Hi Swob
18:48 < Sven_Manguard> So http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js is this really useful tool. What I want to do is take just the non-free images part and (search that for " nonfree-media ") and I want to change the category to "Category:Photos of copyrighted works", and use it on Wikivoyage
18:48 < Sven_Manguard> issue is I don't know where to cut and where not to cut
18:48 < Dragonfly6-7> Sven_Manguard - are you any good wtih js
18:48 < Fleet|mobile> Swob: Any more rainy weather headed up my way?
18:49 < Sven_Manguard> Dragonfly6-7: I cannot code, period.
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18:49 < Swob> fleet sorry I dont remember where you livew
18:49 < Sven_Manguard> no .js, no .css, no C++, no noting. It makes me sad inside.
18:49 < Fleet|mobile> Swob: 2.5 hours north of you
18:50 < Swob> so like Bangor?
18:50 < Fleet|mobile> That's more like 4 hours
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18:50 < legoktm> Sven_Manguard: ok basically you just need to cut in the top
18:50 < Sven_Manguard> oh, right, it's .js not .css
18:50 < mareklug> Swob it is derp.  he is talking of taking the forest road to Montreal
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18:51 < legoktm> Sven_Manguard: just remove the categories that you dont want
18:51 < Swob> waat no way that is derp
18:51 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: that's like telling a blind person to cut their own hair
18:51 < legoktm> er
18:51 < legoktm> heh
18:51 < legoktm> do you want me to just do it for you?
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18:51 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: that would be awesome, yes
18:51 < StewerdBot> derp my bah
18:51 < Fleet|mobile> This is not derp
18:52 < addvodkaandfizz> o-o
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18:52 < mareklug> Fleet|mobile and you don't live in Canada?
18:52 < Fleet|mobile> No mareklug
18:52 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: gimme a sec, I might be able to do it on my own...
18:52 < legoktm> o.O
18:52 < legoktm> :D
18:52 < legoktm> well im nearly done
18:52 < legoktm> so
18:53 < addvodkaandfizz> Sven_Manguard: is a pro ;p
18:53 < Dragonfly6-7> legoktm - can you give me some help with a js issue or two, after you're done with Sven_Manguard ?
18:53 < Sven_Manguard> addvodkaandfizz: I'ma slap you
18:53 < Swob> there arent many roads from Maine to Quebec
18:53 < addvodkaandfizz> well...
18:53 < legoktm> er sorry i was going to go afk in a bit. post on my talk page and i can take a look though
18:53 < addvodkaandfizz> ... ima do something else to you :O
18:53 < addvodkaandfizz> *coughs*
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18:54 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard/linkclassifier.js did I fuck up?
18:54 < Fleet|mobile> Swob: I'm bout half an hour from lew/aub
18:54 < Swob> ok
18:55 < Swob> well anyway then yeah there is more rain
18:55 < Swob> rain all week
18:55 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: that's a yes?
18:55  * legoktm is still checking
18:55 < Fleet|mobile> Nice
18:55 < legoktm> nope
18:56 < legoktm> https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/linkclassifier.js <-- look at the top of that
18:56 < Dragonfly6-7> legoktm - I've got a heavily customized vector.js  page, and it's missing a few elements
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19:00 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: Should it be  cats:{         deletion:[
19:00 < legoktm> yes
19:01 < Sven_Manguard> do I need a stylesheet?
19:01 < mareklug> "[20:53:31] <Swob>	 there arent many roads from Maine to Quebec"  Well, there is one good one, with border crossing.  I know, cuz I took it from Montreal on my way to Nova Scotia
19:01 < Swob> i was wrong
19:01 < Dragonfly6-7> legoktm - do you think you can help me with that tomorrow?
19:01 < Swob> only 2 days of rain coming
19:01 < legoktm> Sven_Manguard: yes
19:01 < legoktm> Dragonfly6-7: maybe, but its mothers day so i might be afk
19:01 < Fleet|mobile> We'll take all we can get Swob
19:02 < Dragonfly6-7> legoktm - I'll harass you on Monday, then?
19:02 < legoktm> sure :P
19:02 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard/linkclassifier.css is the one I have from English Wikipedia
19:02 < Sven_Manguard> what do I need to bring over?
19:02 < mareklug> actually, from Quebec City
19:02 < legoktm> Sven_Manguard: just copy the entire thing and itll work
19:02 < Sven_Manguard> Okay. And this will get me my 2 px red border around non-free images
19:03 < legoktm> i think so!
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19:03 < legoktm> if not, just bother anomie :P
19:03 < Fleet|mobile> mareklug: the best ones DON'T have border crossing
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19:04 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: no, it's not working
19:04 < legoktm> :/
19:04 < Sven_Manguard> one sec, lemme check something
19:04 < legoktm> ask anomie then
19:04 < mareklug> Fleet|mobile I don't think there exists ANY road, forest, dirt or whathave you on the Canada/USA border that has not been corndoned off with a thingee that makes it impassable for motor vehicles.  Unless you drive around it through the woods.
19:05 < Fleet|mobile> mareklug: come ride with me sometime....they do exist
19:05 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: are you sure it's supposed to be "deletion" instead of "image.nonfree-media" ?
19:05 < legoktm> i think so
19:05 < Sven_Manguard> try switching it
19:05 < legoktm> but im not a js expert either
19:06 < Sven_Manguard> try switching it, because then it will match my stylesheet
19:06 < Sven_Manguard> which I haven't changed
19:06 < Fleet|mobile> mareklug: the BP has the woods and woods roads up there fairly closely covered but the clowns sleep in their trucks all night with the lights on
19:06 < legoktm> er
19:06 < Carly> hi
19:06 < legoktm> are you importing mine?
19:06 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: yes
19:07 < legoktm> o.O
19:07 < legoktm> ok
19:07 < Sven_Manguard> http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard/vector.js
19:07 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: oh, you wanted me to copy yours?
19:07 < legoktm> yeah :P
19:07 < Sven_Manguard> OH...
19:07 < legoktm> also https everywhere isnt working on wikivoyage… :/
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19:10 < BlastHardcheese> gotta be on guard for when those canadians think we're not watching and invade again
19:10 < Fleet|mobile> Heh
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19:10 < StewerdBot> BlastHardcheese: shuddup
19:13 < Fleet|mobile> At least they stopped trying to come over Niagra Falls, eh?
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19:14 < Sven_Manguard> legoktm: I got it by just taking all of Anomie's page and copying it over and just swapping out that one category
19:15 < legoktm> great :D
19:15 < Dragonfly6-7> "Hi, I'm Farrtj (the name is not intended as a joke)."
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19:18 < mareklug> Fleet|mobile well are ppl simply removing the road-blocking poles?  b/c in Montana they are in place. :)
19:19 < Fleet|mobile> mareklug: no, there are just woods roads that they don't bother to watch very closely. If you know how to find them, it's fairly easy to slip into Canada
19:19 < Fleet|mobile> Getting back may be a bitch though
19:20 < mareklug> why?  can't you take the same road back?
19:21 < Fleet|mobile> A few years ago....maybe 30 or 40....some guys used to go up to Canada to buy fireworks, bring them back through the woods, then go back up, come through customs, and go out and retrieve their stash in the woods
19:21 < Fleet|mobile> mareklug: you can if they still don't happen to be right there
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19:25 < bazinga> i guess both countries have problems from people coming up from the south
19:25 < mareklug> legoktm thanks to iMac -> digital light toslink out -> DAC -> RCA plugs -> vintage stereo  I am listening to Marina and the Diamonds for the first time with all the bass. :)
19:25 < legoktm> :D
19:25 < legoktm> nice
19:26 < mareklug> oh yeah, in FLAC
19:27 < Fleet|mobile> Heh bazinga
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19:35 < C\> wctaiwan: hi
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19:46 < wctaiwan> hi.
19:50 < Sven_Manguard> hi
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19:52 < bazinga> high.
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20:04 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone need a hand with something? I'm bored and want to work on something >.>
20:04 < bazinga> ChrisGualtieri: are you an admin
20:04 < ChrisGualtieri> Nope.
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20:05 < bazinga> then you can't help.
20:05 < bazinga> well.
20:05 < bazinga> you can't help with this huge backlog I'm thinking of
20:05 < bazinga> but you can help increase the size of it
20:05 < ChrisGualtieri> Increase the size? why
20:06 < bazinga> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Copy_to_Wikimedia_Commons
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20:08 < bazinga> clear that backlog :-)
20:08 < ChrisGualtieri> I can't XD
20:09 < bazinga> ... why not
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20:09 < ChrisGualtieri> Not even sure how to begin doing that, and I'm not an admin
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20:09 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri here is something tedious that needs doing...
20:10 < bazinga> don't need to be an admin, chris. http://enwp.org/WP:FTCG
20:10 < bazinga> ChrisGualtieri: check that page out then you should be good
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20:10 < mareklug> mareklug scrutinize the contributions of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user%3AOz%20Steps and see if any of his reverts of pictures of celebrities/actresses/musicians should be undone.  And if he did the same on other langauge verisons from various IPs.
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20:10 < ChrisGualtieri> Hmm.. is this gonna do something like increase my edit count enough to piss people off in the process?
20:11 < ChrisGualtieri> Because people love to bother me about such things >.>;
20:11 < David_Stevenson> ChrisGualtieri: possibly, you never know
20:11 < David_Stevenson> ;p
20:11 < {soap|bed}> you already have like 600000 edits. it wont make much of a difference
20:11 < ChrisGualtieri> I can't even AWB without being called Rich Farmborough >.>;
20:12 < {soap|bed}> well, ok ,150000
20:12 < ChrisGualtieri> Okay... Ozsteps throws red flags from the beginning.
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20:13 < mareklug> he is subject to ongoing ANI.  he looks like a prospective indefinite globally
20:14 < ChrisGualtieri> Why does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_List_%28actress_born_1998%29 have two pictures up anyways?
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20:15 < ChrisGualtieri> So what am I looking for... bad pictures or bad changes?
20:15 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isabelle_Fuhrman&diff=prev&oldid=545361751 is a bad change
20:16 < mareklug> edit-warring where crappier picture was forced on the article by Mr. Oz Steps
20:17 < ChrisGualtieri> Fergie one is hideous either way...
20:18 < ChrisGualtieri> OMG http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amanda_Michalka&diff=prev&oldid=546322362
20:18 < mareklug> I saved http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liv%20Tyler from the fucker.  The rest is in your lap.
20:19 < ChrisGualtieri> Did he really need to add that back in?
20:20 < PinkQuelqueChose> O_o where'd ChanServ go?
20:20 < mareklug> feel free to add that diff to the ANI.  That is very damning indeed.
20:20 < Jasper_Deng> split off, PinkQuelqueChose
20:20 < Jasper_Deng> il est parti
20:20 < PinkQuelqueChose> yikes
20:20 < PinkQuelqueChose> does this mean total anarchy?
20:20 < Jasper_Deng> non
20:20 < Jasper_Deng> il y a des operateurs
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20:20 < mareklug> it means free éclairs for all!
20:20 < Jasper_Deng> (operateurs globales)
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20:21 < juancarlos> I love eclairs from costco!
20:21 -!- PinkQuelqueChose is now known as PinkAmpersand
20:21 < mareklug> damn.  I ran out of mini éclairs.
20:21 < mareklug> juancarlos same thing but from Aldi.  how much are the costco?
20:21 < juancarlos> They're not cheap. I'm thinking somewhere like $8?
20:21 < juancarlos> maybe more.
20:21 < mareklug> for a large plastic square tub, right?  at Aldi's they are 4.99 everyday and 3.99 on sale days
20:23 < mareklug> net weight 27,4 oz (780 g), about 48 éclairs, says the tub.  empty tub :(
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20:23 < juancarlos> > The word comes from French éclair 'flash of lightning.' The semantic connection is unclear.
20:23 < juancarlos> hah.
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20:23 < mareklug> well, it is  *brilliant* pastry.
20:24 < mareklug> far exceeds the cookie, whatever the cookie.
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20:24 < moogsi> eclairs are very dangerous
20:25 < mareklug> in moderation, they won't kill you.
20:25 < moogsi> what is.. mo de ra tion?
20:26 < mareklug> um, 5 mini éclairs at a sitting?
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20:27 < moogsi> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eclairs_at_Fauchon_in_Paris.jpg omg the ones on the right
20:27 < moogsi> RED FLAVOUR, PLEASE
20:28 < mareklug> moogsi meh.  my idea of an éclair invariably involves very dark chocolate, nearly bitter, on the top
20:28 < moogsi> chocolate is probably best
20:29 < mareklug> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eclairs_on_a_wire_rack.jpg
20:29 < PinkAmpersand> réligieuses sont meilleures
20:29 < moogsi> meh, looks like custard in those
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20:29 < moogsi> still, i approve
20:29 < mareklug> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eclair_1120005560.jpg
20:30 < moogsi> whipped cream is better though
20:30 < mareklug> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Liebesknochen3.JPG
20:30 < mareklug> I think whipped cream is unusual in an éclair.  custard predominates.
20:30 < David_Stevenson> :< instead of going and buying eclairs and eating them, we search for them on Wikipedia to find pictures to compare them
20:30 < David_Stevenson> Wikipedia logic
20:31 < C\> PinkAmpersand: How would you do a wanted poster in French?
20:31 < moogsi> David_Stevenson: it's all i can do to stop myself :l
20:31 < juancarlos> Hmm.
20:31 < juancarlos> I thought C\ was c for a moment.
20:31 < moogsi> thankfully there are no eclairs in the building so it's fine
20:31 < David_Stevenson> heh
20:31 < mareklug> it's an hour and 31 minutes to late to buy them, but I have every premeditated desire to do so come morning.
20:31 < PinkAmpersand> C\: a very good question. fucked if I know.
20:31 < PinkAmpersand> "cherché", maybe?
20:31 < PinkAmpersand> don't take my word for it, though
20:32 < mareklug> C\ avis de recherche
20:32 < C\> thanks
20:32 < PinkAmpersand> David_Stevenson: are we doing real names today? :P
20:32 < David_Stevenson> not just today
20:32 < David_Stevenson> :p
20:33 < juancarlos> My real name is Juan Carlos i
20:33 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as THKelly
20:33 < juancarlos> el rey de españa
20:33 -!- THKelly is now known as THKellyXV
20:33 < mareklug> C\ http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/wanted_fr.jpg
20:33 < THKellyXV> (because I'm the 15th Tom Kelly in my family)
20:33 < THKellyXV> ^that is a complete lie. but it's my grandfather's lie, so I get to pretend it's true
20:33 < C\> oh
20:33 < C\> thanks
20:34 < mareklug> C\  you are welcome.  and remember me when you need something google-researched.
20:34 < C\> heh
20:34 < juancarlos> Think of me. Think of my fondly.
20:34 < mareklug> send me an éclair barnstar or sumthin'
20:35 < moogsi> i love those american aristocrats from the 20th century who are like Barnabas Huxtable III or whatever
20:35 < moogsi> you're not royalty, or even nobility, get over yourselves
20:35 < THKellyXV> if my family were nobility, I'd be the leader
20:35 < moogsi> probably more powerful than either, but still :P
20:35 < mareklug> moogsi but they might be mobility.
20:35 < mareklug> or even, motility.
20:35 < THKellyXV> last surviving member of the first-born-male lineage
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20:36 < THKellyXV> however, we're not nobility, so instead of a crown I get a nice pocketwatch
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20:37 < THKellyXV> and I get to throw that XV on my name for lulz
20:37 < David_Stevenson> THKellyXV: I have the same first middle and last name as my dad :<
20:37 < juancarlos> and what's his social?
20:37 < juancarlos> just for research purposes ofc
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20:37 < moogsi> at least you don't have the same name as your dad... that makes me feel a bit ill tbh
20:38 < moogsi> you're someone, jr.
20:38  * David_Stevenson is , Jr. :<
20:38 < moogsi> ohhh
20:38 < moogsi> i misread what you typed there
20:38 < THKellyXV> David_Stevenson: huh. my first name was my dad's middle name. but that has more to do with my grandfather being a tad egotistical, since he was named Tom too.
20:40 < David_Stevenson> all I know is retribution for being a , Jr. I am naming my kid the same first middle last name with a III after it
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20:40 < juancarlos> wb
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20:41 < THKellyXV> hehe
20:41 < THKellyXV> if I ever have a son, I'm gonna make his middle name "X". just X. so he can be cool.
20:41 < THKellyXV> (for those of you keeping score, of course, I can't actually be the fifteenth of my name since we've all had different middle names. oh well.)
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20:46 < bazinga> mareklug: http://im.skdat.com/data/gags/1362679471.jpg
20:47 < juancarlos> does /gags/ mean things from 9gag?
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20:48 < bazinga> hm, idk
20:49 < bazinga> that's not where it's from
20:49 < juancarlos> prove it
20:50 < bazinga> http://www.taglol.com/meme/so-who-is-steve-jobs/7859/
20:50 < mareklug> bazinga C was constructed by Kerrigan and Richie.  You seem to be missing one of them, you jerk.
20:51 < bazinga> mareklug: I'm not the creator, and I also don't steal other's ideas.
20:51 < juancarlos> bazinga: This was on reddit a while ago. Reddit typically gets reposts from 9gag.
20:51 < bazinga> wouldn't be surprised
20:52 < mareklug> bazinga you should read the informative articles on this subject, and you will find out that everybody steals some ideas.  Apple from Xerox, Xerox from Texas Instruments, etcetera.
20:52 < mareklug> Google from Apple.  Samsung from iPhone.
20:52 < juancarlos> okay, apple says everyone steals from them
20:52 < juancarlos> really, rounded app icons?!
20:52 < mareklug> juancarlos well, were there any b4 iPhone?
20:53 < mareklug> or the single home button?
20:53 < juancarlos> yes, buttons on a phone
20:53 < mareklug> or the pinch to zoom multi-touch?
20:53 < juancarlos> re: the first one
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20:53 < THKellyXV> hint: if you can't get a patent on it, it's not stealing when someone takes it. there's a reason the system works the way it does.
20:54 < juancarlos> but going after people for simple stuff like that stiffles innovation
20:54 < juancarlos> stifles
20:54 < mareklug> except New Zealand just wholesale invalidated patent law for software.
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20:54 < juancarlos> i think we scared travelour
20:55 < mareklug> it is not simple stuff if it translates into best interface and lends elegance to the thing and causes massive sales and user loyalty.  Let the other fucker invent something equally great, but different, OR PAY A LICENSE
20:55  * closedmouth stiffles juancarlos
20:55 < juancarlos> harder
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20:56 < moogsi> apple are patent trolls
20:56 < moogsi> that is my contribution to this conversation
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20:56 < mareklug> whoever prepared that laughable poster not only forgot about Richie, but made wholesale idiotic assertions.  As in: we would not have Programs.
20:57  * moogsi stands up and walks out, closes the door carefully
20:57 < mareklug> Anyone who knows anything about computing knows that cobol is from the 50s, as is Lisp.  And at MIT they had a fucking great system called Multics, which is why Unix was called what it was called.
20:57 < bazinga> Apple is like uncle pete
20:57 < bazinga> http://i.imgur.com/GDPKYEe.jpg
20:58 < moogsi> it's kind of a dumb, heavy-handed way to make a point about how vacuous mainstream media+culture is
20:58 < moogsi> at least, i think that's the point
20:59 < juancarlos> bazinga: Lay off the kiddie porn in here, kthx
20:59 < juancarlos> moogsi: You mean, Apple is teaching us all a lesson?
21:00 < moogsi> no, i mean that image with dennis ritchie
21:00 < moogsi> I AM ONLY 14 MINUTES BEHIND
21:01 < THKellyXV> basile: wtf is that?
21:01 < THKellyXV> * bazinga
21:01  * THKellyXV apologizes for pinging the wrong person
21:01 < juancarlos> basile deserves it.
21:01 < juancarlos> basile the great mouse detective
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21:09 < THKellyXV> huh. apparently that's from a reparative therapy book.
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21:12 < Cncmaster> Freenode is screwed up and Toolserver is 404ing. today couldn't get any better.
21:15  * THKellyXV burns down Cncmaster's house
21:16 < juancarlos> just got better
21:16  * BlastHardcheese eats Cncmaster 
21:16  * Cncmaster was hiding in his fallout bunker that is reenforced with 8 layers of concrete and hardended steel.
21:16 < Matthew_> From a toolserver-apocoypse?
21:16 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F
21:16 < Cncmaster> From a #wikipedia-en-help nuclear-troll battle
21:17 < THKellyXV> toolserver apocalypse a/k/a every other day
21:17  * Jasper_Deng pours hydrofluoric acid on Cncmaster's bunker
21:17  * Cncmaster moves into the bunker within his bunker
21:17 < David_Stevenson> yeah as someone who works with ACC, toolserver is botched half the time anyways :P
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21:17  * Cncmaster moves into the bunker within his bunker that is within his bunker
21:18 < THKellyXV> David_Stevenson: don't worry, only another 12-24 months until WMF Labs gets fully underway
21:18 < David_Stevenson> months :(
21:18  * THKellyXV watches Cncmaster suffocate
21:18 < David_Stevenson> Cncmaster: bunkerception
21:19  * Cncmaster is using surface oxygen filtering supplied by CO2 recirculation tanks
21:20 < THKellyXV> thanks for the info
21:20  * THKellyXV takes out the O2 tubes
21:20 < Sven_Manguard> THKellyXV: points for style but there's an easier method
21:20  * Sven_Manguard shoves Justin Beiber into the bunker
21:20 < Jasper_Deng> Cncmaster: hydrofluoric acid eats through anything you can use for a bomb shelter
21:21 < THKellyXV> Jasper_Deng: what about antimatter?
21:21  * Cncmaster resorts to his CO2 recirculation tanks that are surrounded by Teflon-concrete layered walls
21:21 < Jasper_Deng> ?
21:21 < Jasper_Deng> you can't contain antimatter on Earth except in an excited state
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21:21 < THKellyXV> you can if it's in a vacume
21:21 < THKellyXV> *vacuum
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21:22 < Jasper_Deng> yes, but it wouldn't be in equilibrium
21:22 < THKellyXV> with some heavy metal under it, followed by ANOTHER vacuum
21:22 < Jasper_Deng> antimatter can't touch /anything/ period
21:22 < juancarlos> it's the antithesis of matter
21:24  * Cncmaster activates the nuclear bomb he's been hiding in his basement
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21:25 < David_Stevenson> :<
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21:26 < Cncmaster> Well I'm still alive after all that.
21:26 < juancarlos> thank the lord
21:27 < Jasper_Deng> Cncmaster: because I kept it from going critical
21:27 < Jasper_Deng> by breaking it into tiny pieces
21:27 < Cncmaster> always have a contingency plan
21:28  * Cncmaster lights the fuse on the 50 gallons of nitroglycerin he keeps below the nuke.
21:29 < Cncmaster> Now that can't be stopped...
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21:31 < Jasper_Deng> Cncmaster: While you were not looking, I replaced 99.9% of the nitroglycerin with cellulose
21:31 -!- THKellyXV is now known as PinkAmpersand
21:31  * PinkAmpersand changes his nick back as a defensive measure
21:32 < Cncmaster> What about the .1%?
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21:32  * Cncmaster puts on a gas mask
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21:33 < IDoH> Oh dear, Cncmaster. Should I be worried?
21:34  * Cncmaster releases the 25 tanks of hydrogen cyanide he keeps hidden in the grounds
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21:34 < IDoH> @&!#
21:35  * Cncmaster runs away, never to be seen again
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22:06 < Sven_Manguard> well that was weird
22:06 < IDoH> What was, Sven_Manguard?
22:07 < Sven_Manguard> scroll up
22:07 < IDoH> Yeah
22:07 < IDoH> That was weird
22:07 < Sven_Manguard> but very much par for the course for this channel
22:07 < IDoH> heh heh
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22:14 < MJ94> I dream of IDoH
22:14 < IDoH> Double dreaming
22:20 < wctaiwan> inception
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22:43 < abudayeh> hello
22:43 < abudayeh> can i keep an articke doesn['t meet criteria?
22:44 < Jasper_Deng> ofc not, you've already been told many times
22:44 < BlastHardcheese> sure, e-mail info-en@wikimedia.org, make sure to threaten to sue, that will get them to take action quickly
22:44 < abudayeh> Jasper_Deng:  what should i do?
22:44 < Jasper_Deng> drop it
22:44  * Matthew_ stabs BlastHardcheese
22:44 < abudayeh> why
22:44 < IDoH> abudayeh, don't do what BlastHardcheese said. Let the discussion take it's course.
22:45 < Jasper_Deng> let the discussion run its course
22:45 < abudayeh> this article is for my father and he is a doctor in uni
22:45 < Matthew_> That's the best way.  Just let it go, see what happens.
22:45 < IDoH> its' course.
22:45  * IDoH blushes
22:45 < Jasper_Deng> abudayeh: have you been linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:COI ?
22:45 < abudayeh> i tried (Find sources: "Saad Abudayeh" – news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images)
22:45 < closedmouth> its
22:45 < IDoH> Jasper_Deng, I did link him to WP:CANVASS-I find COI to be appropriate, too.
22:45 < abudayeh> no results
22:45  * Matthew_ high5s IDoH
22:46 < abudayeh> i can't find sources
22:46 < IDoH> hmm, Matthew_?
22:46 < abudayeh> i want it to be kept
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22:46 < abudayeh> :(
22:46  * IDoH high fives Matthew_.
22:46 < Matthew_> IDoH: IDK, for being gramatically correct :)
22:46 < IDoH> I do try. Heh.
22:47 < abudayeh> ?
22:48 < abudayeh> ?? so now
22:48 < abudayeh> i lost the article in arabic version
22:48 < Matthew_> abudayeh: So now, wait.  Add sources, let the discussion run its course.
22:48 < abudayeh> i won't lose in english
22:48 < abudayeh> ok
22:48 < bazinga> Dcoetzee: ping
22:48 < bazinga> or other image person...
22:48 < abudayeh> Matthew_:  can't find sources
22:49 < Matthew_> abudayeh: Then just let it go.
22:49 < abudayeh> what should i do/
22:49 < IDoH> Don't spam this channel, too, abudayeh.
22:49 < Matthew_> You're not helping yourself right now :/
22:49 < bazinga> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tu_22_by_Giovanni_Paulli.jpg
22:49 < abudayeh> Matthew_:  if i make 5 accounts and vote. does that help
22:49 < bazinga> ^ is that an acceptable condition?
22:49 < IDoH> abudayeh, no.
22:49 < Jasper_Deng> you /can't/
22:49 < Matthew_> abudayeh: It's really easy to find that one out, mate.  So no, it won't help.
22:49 < Jasper_Deng> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry , abudayeh
22:50 < Jasper_Deng> in short, the decision about whether the article will be kept or not is the community's, not yours
22:51 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|away
22:51 < abudayeh> Matthew_:  Jasper_Deng  IDoH  please they deleted it in arabic and said that no notability and lack of independent sources.. i don't want that to be happened
22:51 < IDoH> No.
22:51 < abudayeh> in here
22:51 < IDoH> Let the community decide whether or not to delete.
22:51 < Jasper_Deng> the community will make its decision by the end of that discussion
22:51 < Jasper_Deng> there's nothing you can do but participate in that discussion
22:51 < Matthew_> ^ this.  At this point, you have to see what happens.
22:51 < Jasper_Deng> (and even so, you have to realize your conflict of interest)
22:52 < abudayeh> Matthew_:  Jasper_Deng  IDoH ok vote ur decission
22:52 < abudayeh> i will not ask for keep
22:52 < Jasper_Deng> be patient
22:52 < IDoH> I'm not going to participate in the discussion.
22:52 < IDoH> That's my decision
22:52  * Jasper_Deng probably won't either
22:52 < abudayeh> fuck u all
22:52 < IDoH> !ops
22:52 < abudayeh> if u don't use wikipedia why u talk to me
22:53 < Matthew_> I don't generally do CSD discussions, but maybe I'll have a look.
22:53 < abudayeh> i want people who have accounts in wikipedia
22:53 < Jasper_Deng> we /do/ use Wikipedia
22:53 < IDoH> Matthew_: It's an AfD discussion
22:53 < Jasper_Deng> we just don't participate in that part of it
22:53 < Matthew_> ... and it's time for a nap.  I don't do /AFD/ discussions :/ :P
22:53 < IDoH> heh.
22:53 < abudayeh> dumb ass
22:53 < abudayeh> shit on you all
22:53 < abudayeh> ok
22:53 < David_Stevenson> abudayeh hush
22:54 < abudayeh> u r just like that arabic operators
22:54 < abudayeh> criteria
22:54 < abudayeh> who fucken cares of your fucken critera
22:54 < Jasper_Deng> why are you surprised?
22:54 < IDoH> If it weren't consider spammy, I'd totally do !_ops again now.
22:54 < abudayeh> David_Stevenson: stupid
22:54 < David_Stevenson> <_<
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22:54 < Susan> IDoH: Simmer down.
22:54 < IDoH> Susan: Why?
22:55 < IDoH> Someone is cussing and personally attacking people.
22:55 < Susan> abudayeh: Be nice.
22:55 < IDoH> he was just banned from #wikipedia for doing the same thing, Susan.
22:55 < Susan> Anyway,
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22:56 < abudayeh> Susan: why u keep bad article and now whn i ask for my father article to be kept it is hard?
22:56 < IDoH> Being spammy both in the chatroom and in PM, cussing, etc.
22:56 < Susan> abudayeh: I don't know what you're asking.
22:56 < Jasper_Deng> abudayeh: take Susan's message as a warning
22:56 < Susan> I don't see much spam.
22:56 < IDoH> It escalated.
22:56 < abudayeh> Susan:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saad_Abudayeh
22:56 < abudayeh> Susan:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saad_Abudayeh
22:56 < abudayeh> please keep this
22:57 < Susan> abudayeh: Do you understand Wikipedia's concept of notability?
22:57 < abudayeh> can u delete the nomination?
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> we won't
22:57 < abudayeh> Susan:  vote for keep
22:57 < abudayeh> ok
22:57 < IDoH> No, we can't. Sorry.
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> abudayeh: how many times do we have to tell you that you just have to let the community make its decision?
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> and asking for keep !votes on IRC is canvassing
22:57 < Jasper_Deng> and frowned on
22:57 < abudayeh> Jasper_Deng:  offffffffffffffffffffffff damn the comunity
22:58 < abudayeh> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeey cominity
22:58 < abudayeh> have a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saad_Abudayeh
22:58 < David_Stevenson> abudayeh: the nomination usually will last a week, it is not closed early. If you have something to say, you can say it there
22:58 < abudayeh> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
22:58 < Matthew_> abudayeh: All right, chill mate, I'm commenting :/
22:58 < Jeske_Couriano> We aren't coming to your defense, you self-important troll. Ops, whack her.
22:58 < BlastHardcheese> you should post on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales and tell him how you feel
22:59  * David_Stevenson trouts BlastHardcheese in the forehead
22:59 < Jasper_Deng> abudayeh: you should know that Susan is being generous here. Less-generous ops would have you quieted by now.
22:59 < abudayeh> Matthew_:  u should keep it
22:59 < Jasper_Deng> stop canvassing
22:59 < Matthew_> Ummm... no, never mind.
22:59 < abudayeh> Jasper_Deng:  come on invite the fuken cominity to vote
22:59 < Jeske_Couriano> Stop trying everyone's patience, abudayeh
22:59 < Jasper_Deng> be patient
23:00 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Susan] by ChanServ
23:00 < David_Stevenson> adios amigo
23:00 < Matthew_> I don't like being told how to !vote
23:00 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.44.35.2] by Susan
23:00 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o Susan] by ChanServ
23:00 < IDoH> Thanks, Susan.
23:00 < Jasper_Deng> phew
23:00 < Jeske_Couriano> Did she get booted from -en-help or something?
23:00 < Jasper_Deng> from #wikipedia
23:00 < IDoH> Yeah, from #wikipedia.
23:00 < IDoH> For doing the same thing.
23:00 < Jeske_Couriano> Oh crap that means -en-help's likely next
23:00 < PinkAmpersand> someone wanna block 'em onwiki?
23:01 < IDoH> Thankfully, I'm not in en-help
23:01 < IDoH> PinkAmpersand: No, but a note on the AfD page might be approperiate
23:01 < PinkAmpersand> i'll throw up a {{Notavote}} for now
23:01 < IDoH> Good idea.
23:02 < IDoH> Jeske_Couriano: You in -en-help?
23:02 < Jeske_Couriano> Yes
23:02 < Matthew_> Help hasn't seen anything yet
23:02  * Matthew_ starts timer
23:02 < Jasper_Deng> (don't give him/her ideas, she's still on this channel (but muted by the +b))
23:03 < IDoH> Oh. ouch.
23:03 < Matthew_> Really?  I thought a kick was done...
23:03 < David_Stevenson> nope
23:03 < Matthew_> Huh
23:03 < PinkAmpersand> fail
23:03 < Jeske_Couriano> Jasper_Deng) -en-help is *far* less tolerant of what she pulled here than this channel.
23:03 < David_Stevenson> I'm curious how you know this is a she, Jeske_Couriano
23:04 < Jeske_Couriano> David_Stevenson) Assumption based off of handle.
23:04 < Matthew_> Jeske_Couriano: That's the last name, insofar as I can tell.
23:04 < David_Stevenson> yeah, I was about to say that
23:05 < David_Stevenson> and the AFD is of a male
23:06 < Jasper_Deng> well he/she didn't say he/she is the subject of the AfD
23:06 < Matthew_> But it was explicity mentioned that the subject was their fater.
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23:07 < Matthew_> *father
23:07 < Jasper_Deng> right, which doesn't say anything about his/her /own/ gender
23:07 < Matthew_> Exactly :)  I was commenting on your "subject" note
23:07 < Jeske_Couriano> Great, now they're PM'ing me
23:07 < Matthew_> PM spam
23:07 < David_Stevenson> they are spamming my PMs for votes
23:07  * Jasper_Deng has +R and recommends everyone else set that mode
23:08 < Matthew_> Unknown mode char...
23:08 < Jasper_Deng> it's a user mode
23:08 < Jeske_Couriano> No can do
23:08 < Matthew_> Oh, this client is wierd, nvm
23:08 < Jeske_Couriano> Freenode doesn't recognize /umode
23:08 < Jasper_Deng> Jeske_Couriano: /mode Jeske_Couriano +R
23:09 < Jeske_Couriano> She still shouldn't be PM-spamming.
23:09 < Jasper_Deng> only a k-line can stop her from doing any PMs, I think
23:09 < Jeske_Couriano> Set her to /ignore everyone.
23:10 < Matthew_> ... of course, when you have an SPA such as this, little things like spam don't matter.
23:10 < Jeske_Couriano> Hopefully she gets the hint that we're not her fucking mercenaries.
23:10 < Matthew_> Jeske_Couriano: Not gonna happen.  SPA, remember?
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23:12 < Jasper_Deng> ok, she'd better not be moving on to another channel
23:12 < Matthew_> Timer's on 10 mins exactly for -en-help
23:12 < IDoH> She probably is, Jasper_Deng
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23:12 < IDoH> Hey IDM
23:12 < Jeske_Couriano> She moves to -en-help I'll shout bangops so fast her head'll spin
23:12 < IDoH> Heh heh
23:13 < Matthew_> It's days like today I wish I had ops, actually :/
23:13 < iDM> hi.
23:13 < Matthew_> iDM: Hi!
23:13 < David_Stevenson> they are using name abudayeh5 now
23:13 < Matthew_> (again)
23:13 < Jeske_Couriano> Speaking of which, she mentioned it got deleted in ar.wp.
23:13 < David_Stevenson> just FYI
23:13 < C\> lol
23:13 < C\> What if everyone he canvassed voted delete
23:13 < Matthew_> Heh, I was gonna say, but that's canvassing in the other direction :P
23:14 < Matthew_> Anyway, wait an hour or so, WP:DFTT applies
23:14 < Jeske_Couriano> Canvassing is canvassing. Just because it's ineffective doesn't mean it isn't sanctionable.
23:14 < IDoH> True, Jeske_Couriano
23:14 < Jeske_Couriano> David_Stevenson) Where'd they pop up this time?
23:14 < David_Stevenson> well if we all choose to comment, that doesn't mean we all have to be neutral :P
23:14 < David_Stevenson> Jeske_Couriano: my PM
23:14 < iDM> hey Matthew_
23:14 < Jeske_Couriano> Report it to freenode staff.
23:15 < IDoH> David_Stevenson: Cussing in three, two, one...
23:15 < Jeske_Couriano> I don't think they'd appreciate ne'er-do-wells spamming the hell out of everyone.
23:15 < David_Stevenson> I'm about to be, I was about to got vote on that AFD but then the twit called me stupid
23:15 -!- iDM is now known as iDangerMouse
23:15  * Matthew_ too
23:15  * iDangerMouse pets Matthew_
23:15 < IDoH> Don't vote on it, David_Stevenson. It'll feed the troll.
23:16  * Matthew_ wags his tail
23:16 < IDoH> We like petting people here.
23:16 < Matthew_> IDoH: That's why I'm waiting a little while
23:16 < David_Stevenson> *'''Delete''' choke on it. ~~~~
23:16 < Amqui> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/215258_561792703886806_934777616_n.jpg
23:16 < Jasper_Deng> lol
23:17 < Matthew_> Heh
23:17  * Jeske_Couriano wags his Bori tail.
23:17  * IDoH twitches her Shetland tail to kill a fly.
23:18  * iDangerMouse pets IDoH and gives her cookies.
23:18  * C\ flourishes his cape which is actually a red flag
23:18 < IDoH> heh heh. C\
23:18 < IDoH> We like to pet each other here.
23:18 < Amqui> http://c414155.r55.cf1.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Canadian-Vandalism.jpg
23:18  * Jasper_Deng predicts using a second-order partial differential equation that C\'s flag will shred
23:18 < iDangerMouse> c for cookie it's good enough for me..
23:19 < IDoH> That's cookie monsters, not shetland ponies.
23:22 < iDangerMouse> I dropped soy milk on my broken laptop.
23:22 < IDoH> Oh dear!
23:22 < Matthew_> Oh, no!
23:22 < iDangerMouse> oh I killed it.
23:23  * iDangerMouse mourns his laptop.
23:25 < David_Stevenson> better your broken laptop than your functional laptop?
23:26 < iDangerMouse> I forgot to bring that one.
23:26 < David_Stevenson> oh :<
23:26 < iDangerMouse> I used the broken one.
23:27 -!- Mike_HH is now known as Mike_H
23:27  * David_Stevenson pets iDangerMouse comfortingly
23:27 < iDangerMouse> I can always tell IDoH to do my work in return petting and cookies.
23:28 < IDoH> Ha! No, iDangerMouse, do your own work!
23:29 < iDangerMouse> :(
23:29  * IDoH gives a cookie to iDangerMouse as a preemptive award for doing his/her/xyr own work.
23:30 -!- Tintaggon [~A@207-47-230-55.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: Est autem fides sperandorum substantia rerum argumentum non parentum.]
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23:31 < iDangerMouse> OlEnglish hey
23:31 < OlEnglish> heya
23:31 < Matthew_> Hey!
23:31 < Matthew_> Long time no see, OlEnglish.
23:31 < IDoH> Hey OlEnglish.
23:32 -!- Sven_Manguard [~Perhaps@wikipedia/Sven-Manguard] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]]
23:32 < OlEnglish> hey
23:32 < OlEnglish> maybe you guys can help me with something
23:32 < Matthew_> What's up?
23:32 < iDangerMouse> maybe
23:32 < David_Stevenson> as long as it isn't an AFD discussion
23:32  * Matthew_ rolls his eyes
23:32 < OlEnglish> i'm trying to determine whether I should place a {{distinguish|Alan Bundy}} hatnote at the top of [[Al Bundy]]
23:33 < OlEnglish> *grin*
23:33 < IDoH> Oh goody! OlEnglish isn't canvassing, spamming, and violating COI right and left.
23:33 < iDangerMouse> I have to to
23:33 < OlEnglish> have i ever?
23:33 -!- iDangerMouse [~u931732@182.178.52.255] has quit [Quit: iDangerMouse]
23:33 < IDoH> OlEnglish, you weren't here earlier, what I said probably went over your head. My apologies.
23:34 < OlEnglish> oh heh, i guess i missed something
23:34 < David_Stevenson> OlEnglish: it's a plausible mistake, so go ahead
23:34 < Matthew_> OlEnglish: We had to deal with a SPA intent on keeping an article alive, in multiple channels.
23:34 < OlEnglish> heh, i'll probably get reverted
23:34 < IDoH> and in PM
23:34 < David_Stevenson> i wouldn't revert it :P
23:34 < OlEnglish> aw i missed out on all the fun
23:34 < David_Stevenson> if you want, I'll do t
23:34 < David_Stevenson> it*
23:35 < OlEnglish> actually.. i got a better hatnote..
23:35 < OlEnglish> hold on
23:35 < David_Stevenson> yeah, I usually don't do the plain 'distinguish'
23:36 < David_Stevenson> also, I like the picture for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Bundy
23:37 < OlEnglish> ok hows that
23:37 < OlEnglish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Bundy
23:37 < Matthew_> OlEnglish: Perfect!
23:37 < David_Stevenson> goo
23:37 < David_Stevenson> good*
23:37 < IDoH> Good job, OlEnglish! Yay!
23:37 < OlEnglish> :)
23:37  * IDoH pets OlEnglish.
23:37 < Matthew_> (probably have to put that in the other direction, but meh)
23:38 < a930913> Remind me the reason we don't have a bot that automatically cites?
23:38 < Matthew_> a930913: How do you mean?
23:38 < OlEnglish> Matthew_: yeah.. but hey, at least this way the professors page will get a lot more exposure! i did him a favor heh
23:38 < Matthew_> Heh, yeah!
23:39 < David_Stevenson> OlEnglish: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alan_Bundy&diff=554697980&oldid=553977113
23:39 < a930913> Matthew_: Why is there no bot that goes through articles, adding citations to each sentence where it can find a decent source?
23:39 < OlEnglish> ahh
23:39 < OlEnglish> nice one David
23:40 < David_Stevenson> :)
23:40 < Matthew_> a930913: Ah.  Probably because that would never pass WP:BRFA
23:40 < IDoH> Why not, Matthew_?
23:40 < a930913> Matthew_: Why not?
23:40 < a930913> :)
23:40 < Matthew_> Too many unknowns with a bot like that.
23:40 -!- bazinga_ [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en
23:40 < IDoH> Great minds think alike, a930913.
23:40 < IDoH> Ah, okay, Matthew_.
23:41 < Matthew_> (I'm not on the BRFA comittee, so I can't say for certain, but that's my guess)
23:41 < a930913> Matthew_: That's why you trial it.
23:41 < Matthew_> a930913: Could you imagine the controversy?!
23:41 < a930913> And determine whether is spams the pedia with crap, or it works.
23:41 < a930913> Matthew_: CBNG pulled through :p
23:41 < OlEnglish> perhaps a certain *kind* of source..
23:41 < a930913> s/is/it/
23:41 < Matthew_> Because ClueBot was its predicesor.
23:41 < OlEnglish> from a single site
23:41 < Matthew_> And ClueBot worked :P
23:42 < David_Stevenson> if it could accurately source something given a list of references that were approved, it could be possible. But the accuracy would be highly doubtful
23:42 < a930913> OlEnglish: I was thinking of a whitelist for reliable sources.
23:42 < wctaiwan> it'll need to be human-checked, at least, I think
23:42 < wctaiwan> the worst thing we can do is insert bogus sources that make a sentence look credible when it isn't.
23:43 < OlEnglish> yup
23:43 < David_Stevenson> no the worst is that it will start sourcing things that were directly copied from the source
23:43 < David_Stevenson> lol
23:43 < OlEnglish> that!
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23:43 -!- bazinga_ is now known as bazinga
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23:44 < bazinga> hey OlEnglish :-)
23:44 < OlEnglish> hey bazinga :)
23:44 < wctaiwan> for example, an article that says "Ray Kroc heavily expanded McDonald's operations, eventually paving for the purchasing of Chipotle in the late 1990s" can not be used as a source for "Ray Kroc led McDonald's purchase of Chipotle", despite the numerous keyword matches.
23:44 < bazinga> how's the coast treating you?
23:44 < PinkAmpersand> what the fuck? who FPP's a page for 3 weeks over routine trolling? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fallon_Fox&action=history
23:44 < OlEnglish> it's getting hot!.. raining at the moment though
23:45 < a930913> For a start, I wonder if I could make a y/n interface for adding a source.
23:45 < wctaiwan> I honestly don't think the heuristics involved would work well enough
23:45 < wctaiwan> but you're free to try
23:45 < David_Stevenson> wctaiwan: but sourcing by keyword could be bad as well, because the source could say that x isn't y, but by keyword, it would source x is y
23:45 < wctaiwan> indeed, you're free to build a tool that does it on your end and make the edits manually
23:45 < wctaiwan> and judge how well it works
23:45 < bazinga> I don't mind the rain :-)
23:45 < wctaiwan> David_Stevenson: right. I don't think it'd work.
23:46 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en
23:46 < a930913> Once one has collected enough y/n's, it's just a matter of training some AI on the data :D
23:46 -!- iDM [~u931732@182.178.52.255] has joined #wikipedia-en
23:46 < OlEnglish> oh me neither
23:46 < bazinga> OlEnglish: You an android?
23:46 < OlEnglish> i especially love editing wikipedia while it's raining :)
23:46 < bazinga> I'm trying to change my mac address on my phone
23:46 < iDM> Matthew_ husband asks what's for dinner
23:46 < OlEnglish> uh, i have an android phone?
23:46 < wctaiwan> a930913: nice to abstract the hard part into "training some AI on the data" :P
23:47 < iDM> Matthew_ actually wife do u want dinner husband what are my choices wife yes or no
23:47 < OlEnglish> brb
23:47 -!- OlEnglish [~sirwillia@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has quit [Quit: audi]
23:47 < iDM> wctaiwan I scare Killy.
23:47 < a930913> wctaiwan: :D
23:48 -!- OlEnglish [~me@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en
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23:48 < iDM> OlEnglish Welkom
23:48 < OlEnglish> :)
23:48 < Matthew_> iDM: Huh?
23:49 < iDM> was a joke.
23:50 < Matthew_> Mmmmmmm... Ooooh, OK.
23:50 < Matthew_> Since that went over my head, I think it's time for bed :P
23:50 < iDM> Good night. can I sing you soft kitty
23:51 < Matthew_> 'night
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23:51 < iDM> galaxy s4 16mp and 10x optical zoom coming out.
23:51 < eeekster> of the closet?
23:52 < iDM> smaller than original galaxy s4
23:52 < eeekster> soft kitty is only for when you're sick
23:53 < iDM> well I am sick.
23:54 < LtNOWIS-mobile> That's a lot of optical zoom
23:54 < iDM> I would buy it.
23:54 < iDM> but I need a laptop lol
23:55 < eeekster> the correct answer: "Wikipedia is a type of sick"
23:56 < iDM> type of sick or sickness
23:56 < David_Stevenson> Wikipedia is more of a cancer that grows on you
23:56 < iDM> so you're saying we are mutated.
23:57 < eeekster> reall? You don't get the quote? <sigh>
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23:57 < David_Stevenson> compare yourself pre-Wikipedia to now
23:57 < David_Stevenson> :P
23:57 < eeekster> how far pre?
23:57 < eeekster> back far enough I had a gf?
23:57 < David_Stevenson> just before you discovered it
23:58 < iDM> I was rock climbing before Wikipedia.
23:58 < a930913> I ventured outside before wikipedia.
23:58 < eeekster> so wikipedia saved your life?
23:58 < iDM> made me fat.
23:58 < David_Stevenson> xD
23:58  * eeekster still goes outside and hikes
23:59 < eeekster> falling...fall on...
23:59 < a930913> iDM: Why fat? Obviously you're spending too much time eating, and not enough time on wikipedia. :p
23:59 < David_Stevenson> yeah, if you go through a few 24 hour editing periods, you're surely going to lose weight
23:59 < iDM> a930913 I have actually lost 8 Kg in 45 days.
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