User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2012-08-10

--- Log opened Fri Aug 10 00:00:05 2012
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00:02  * Mdann52 wonders why this channel us much quieter than normal
00:02 < Matthew_> It's past midnight in the US...
00:03 < sonia> we're wikipedians! past midnight shouldn't mean anything
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00:03 < Mdann52> I'm in
00:03 < Mdann52> Italy at the moment
00:03 < Matthew_> Oooooh, I've always wanted to go there.
00:05 < TeeTylerToe> it's the tail end of the week
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00:09 < Matthew_> What's this sidebar on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Asbridge ?? Is anyone else seeing that, or am I getting spywared again...
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00:12 < Mdann52> No need to worry about it for very long
00:13 < Mdann52> Matthew_, No, looks normal to me
00:13 < Matthew_> Hmmm... well then what is it?  I've never seen it before.
00:14 < Mdann52> What does it look like?
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00:14 < Matthew_> It's grey with six icons arranged vertically.  It's on the right side of the screen.
00:15 < Mdann52> Absolutely no idea
00:16 < Matthew_> Aha, I just started clicking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help#PageInfo
00:17 < jorm> you're in curation mode.
00:18 < jorm> you can exit it by clicking the x icons.
00:18 < Matthew_> What is it, though?
00:18 < jorm> it's an alternative to twinkle.
00:18 < jorm> it's designed (currently) for new page patrolling.
00:19 < jorm> did you go to Special:NewPagesFeed anytime recently?  that will drop you into curation mode.
00:19 < TeeTylerToe> you have entered...  the scary door
00:19 < Matthew_> jorm: I didn't, although the article is freshly created.
00:19 < jorm> those icons are tools to help with page patrolling.
00:19 < jorm> interesting.
00:19 < jorm> you shouldn't be in curation mode without specifically triggering it.
00:19 < jorm> i'll bring this up tomorrow; find out what's up.
00:20 < jorm> you're autoconfirmed, i assume.
00:20 < jorm> this was deployed today.
00:20 < Matthew_> Yes.  I just thought I had spyware.  That's actually kind of cool.
00:21 < jorm> the fact that you're seeing it without triggering it is probably a bug.
00:21 < jorm> i think it's a great tool, btw.
00:22 < Matthew_> It does seem to be a good tool, doing some poking.  Will it be enabled for all articles, or just new pages?
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00:24 < jorm> currently, you should see it on all articles if you are in curation mode, but it may not be useful.
00:24 < jorm> the design is for new pages, though.
00:24 < jorm> in the future, we'll be seeing more curation tools for existing pages (tagging mechanisms, etc.) and namespace-specific changes (e.g., the File: namespace)
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00:25 < jorm> but those improvements are probably several months off, as the development team is going to be refocusing on other projects (Echo and Flow, to be precise)
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00:28 < Matthew_> jorm: That's great.  Good luck with that!  Sorry, I was a tad bit surprised.
00:29 < jorm> no worries! i think you found a bug, that's all.
00:30  * sonia gives jorm a coke
00:30 < Matthew_> Heh, great.  One less thing to find when it comes out of beta :)
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00:34 < haggis> sonia!
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00:51 < geniice> £1700 for a tilt shift lens?
00:51 < sonia> geniice, lensbaby?
00:51 < geniice> doesn't matter. I'm not going to buy one at anywhere near that price
00:52 < geniice> I'll just wait for affordable quadcopters with a decent lifting capacity
00:52 < sonia> geniice, I was asking what lens you were looking at :P
00:53 < sonia> I honestly think a tilt shift lens would be too much work myself. I barely even bother to use a zoom lens or do anything other than focus.
00:53 < geniice> Canon TS-E 24mm lens mk2
00:54 < geniice> sonia well if you want to avoid zooming there are always fixed primes
00:54 < sonia> yep.
00:54 < sonia> I pretty much never take my 30mm pancake off now.
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00:55 < sonia> what were you wanting a tilt-shift for? I'm still not very clear as to specific places they'd be useful
00:55 < sonia> (I'd love a fisheye to play with, actually, if I were going for uncommon lenses - instant panorama once perspective correction was done)
00:55 < geniice> well Coventry mostly but there are a few castles and churches  that one would be of use for
00:56 < geniice> there are some very affordable wide angle setups. I've not really looked into fisheye
00:57 < geniice> Canon EF 8-15mm fisheye lens is no worse than my telephoto cost wise. but I can't see what I would do with it
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00:58 < TeeTylerToe> you'd think you could rent lenses
00:59 < geniice> its possible but not something I'm interested in
00:59 < geniice> it takes me too long to get used to a lens for it to be worthwhile
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01:01 < sonia> I doubt I can rent samsung lenses here in Auckland - hard enough to find someone who even stocks them
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01:02 < sonia> geniice, http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/fisheye-hemi.htm <-- that's what I'd do with a fisheye mostly
01:03 < geniice> don't sigma make lenses for that setup?
01:03 < sonia> do they?
01:05 < geniice> hmm google suggests not
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01:06 < geniice> best bet appears to be various adapters
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01:09 < sonia> yep.
01:09 < sonia> k-mount lenses are supposed to work well on it, as do old leica screw-mount ones, with adapters
01:10 < sonia> but I honestly can't afford many lenses anyway, not with shipping and customs tax (they seriously do not sell them here.)
01:11 < geniice> well thats what happens once you move away from canikon
01:11 < sonia> pretty much ;p
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01:12 < sonia> I'm very small, and my primary priority was something with an aps-c sensor but small and light, compact enough to pocket. combined with price, the fact I could get nx100 + kit lens (which is actually quite good bar no OIS) + flash for $300 kinda sealed the deal
01:12 < sonia> there's a samyang fisheye for the system, but at the moment the 30mm is all I ever use anyway so *shrugs*
01:13 < geniice> I've got a Micro Four Thirds systen but never really looked into buying more lens for it
01:13 < sonia> of course /now/ canon comes out with the EOS M
01:13 < sonia> although that won't be of much use for portability until more lenses come out that don't require the adapter, since that makes it not very compact any more
01:13 < geniice> not sure how well that will do
01:13 < sonia> the specs on it look fairly good though
01:14 < sonia> but I can't see that, without lenses, it'd appeal to many except people who want to share lenses with another system/family member and don't care about size (in which case why not go for a 600D, really)
01:14 < geniice> the reality is that there have been previous attempts at sub asp-C system and they haven't seen much use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg
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01:15 < sonia> have you seen the pentax q?
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01:15 < geniice> no. I'm currently using a full frame system so the smaller stuff is a bit off my radar
01:16 < sonia> it's somewhat ridiculous.
01:16 < sonia> okay, very ridiculous.
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01:16 < sonia> tiny sensor, brags about being the smallest interchangeable lens camera.
01:17 < sonia> and it  *is* small, almost too small to handle - but with that sensor size and the last-gen megapixel count and a price equivalent to a student DSLR - really?
01:17 < geniice> I seem to recall someone made a actual DSLR with a compact sensor
01:18 < sonia> hmm. now I'm wondering if I could hack an old film SLR to use a compact sensor and write to SD card.
01:18 < sonia> I'm sure there'd be some hipsters who'd buy it for the look of the camera alone, but it can't be an easy task.
01:18 < geniice> been tried
01:18 < sonia> has it?
01:18 < geniice> the results are pathetic
01:18 < sonia> ha.
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01:19 < geniice> few years back but they managed to cram in a 1mp sensor
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01:19 < geniice> the thing is that there isn't a market. anyone who hasn't moved on from their old film systems by now wants to use film
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01:21 < geniice> sonia here we are although it looks like they improved since I last looked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_back
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01:24 < TeeTylerToe> looks like those are specialized for specific ultra long exposures
01:24 < TeeTylerToe> the modern ones
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01:29 < geniice> yeah but even thats a slightly questionable use. there are already digital camera's on the market aimed at astrophotography
01:29 < geniice> slow scan for insanely high resolution still makes some sense
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01:37 < nprice> "Ghaaaaaaarryughhh"  --Arnold Schwarzenegger
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02:09 < geniice> see this is how bad our articles on Olympians are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Rohde
02:10 < geniice> at no point does it state that she is pretty
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02:17 < linxon634_> hi all!)
02:19 < TeeTylerToe> that is a pretty bad article, and the reference is just a link to london2012.org or whatever
02:19 < TeeTylerToe> the homepage
02:20 < Pine> geniice: you have a reliable source saying she is pretty?
02:20 < geniice> Pine google images?
02:21 < Pine> That is not a reliable source.
02:21 < Pine> There needs to be a scientific study or survey of some kind.
02:21 < TeeTylerToe> that's original research you naughty wikipedian you
02:21 < Pine> I agree.
02:21 < Pine> No original research on the prettiness of Olympians.
02:21 < geniice> eh see http://www.bz-berlin.de/sport/olympia-2012/gewichtheben-kann-so-schoen-sein-article1511459.html
02:21 < TeeTylerToe> all this london2012.org page blathers on about is some event being held in the old country
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02:23 < TeeTylerToe> that newspaper really seems to have a crush on that weightlifting soldier
02:23 < TeeTylerToe> she does look a bit like cameron from house
02:24 < Pine> geniice: you might have a chance. The article says "Back in 2008, Rohde was named the "Most Beautiful weightlifter."
02:24 < Pine> Is "GQ" a reliable source?
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02:24 < geniice> somehow I can see people reacting well to "she is beautiful<ref>http://www.bz-berlin.de/sport/olympia-2012/gewichtheben-kann-so-schoen-sein-article1511459.html</ref>" being added to the article
02:25 < mareklug> http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/07/30/1226438/880820-120731-julia-rohde.jpg  -- that's her.    compare to Silke, who jumps pole vault: http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/reuters/20110830/11/3682574574-30082011112411.jpg
02:25 < TeeTylerToe> also the prettiest
02:25 < Pine> "According to a survey of IRC commentators in Freenode, she is pretty."
02:26 < TeeTylerToe> also according to google translate, "Not only the fans saw the big eyes."
02:28 < Pine> Does anyone do surveys about the most handsome male Olympians?
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02:30  * Pine nominates himself for "Most handsome tree in 2012"
02:30 < sonia> :P
02:30 < TeeTylerToe> I'm sure the male olympians earned more than their fair share of big eyes
02:31 < geniice> going by the condom useage at the olympic village yes
02:31 < TeeTylerToe> almost one condom per day
02:31 < TeeTylerToe> those animals!
02:31 < TeeTylerToe> real competitors
02:32 < TeeTylerToe> prettiest weight lifting tree
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03:15 < Aranda56> does Mlpearc uses IRC?
03:15 < sonia> used to? not sure about now
03:16  * Aranda56 waves at sonia
03:17 < sonia> hi!
03:17 < Aranda56> yea as i feel like an asshole about the comment I said in his rfa but i felt i have to that's why
03:19 < Aranda56> first time i been in IRC in maybe a month, i know he uses irc but i don't know if he still uses it as again i'm not on irc anymore
03:21  * Aranda56 tells sonia to check what i've said was right and civil in that RFA
03:22 < sonia> link, I'm lazy
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03:30 < Pharos> link, i'm short
03:31 < sonia> Pharos :P
03:32 < Pharos> everyone has their own excuses
03:32 < Pharos> :P
03:33 < sonia> I /am/ short though
03:34  * sonia is 4'10", 105lb, could be thrown easily, etc
03:34 < Pharos> i try my best to be
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03:36 < Pharos> i embrace my inner short person by hanging out with lithuanians
03:37 < Aranda56> 6 am yay!
03:37 < Pharos> i'm about 6'0", 165lb, could be thrown around with moderate difficulty
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03:38 < sonia> not by me :P
03:39 < Pharos> get a lever long enough and you can move the earth!
03:40 < mareklug> Pharos:  um, Lithuanians  are traditionally tall.  Look at their basketball tradition, and medieval knights
03:41 < Pharos> that's why i hang out with them if i want to feel short ;)
03:44 < Pharos> and if i want to feel old, i hang out with wikipedia admins :P
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03:47 < sonia> :P
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06:07  * bobrayner dances
06:07  * wctaiwan trips bobrayner 
06:07 < bobrayner> ahh, so somebody *is* awake :-)
06:08 < wctaiwan> so I am.
06:08 < wctaiwan> why do you seem so cheerful? I hate it. >.>
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06:08 < wctaiwan> (joke, if not obvious)
06:09 < Frood> O_o http://i.imgur.com/qgylH.jpg
06:09 < wctaiwan> yay, taiwan!
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06:09 < bobrayner> heh.
06:09 < bobrayner> Am having a good day at work, the weather's nice; even my watchlist is quiet. Everything's happy here.
06:10 < wctaiwan> haha, okay.
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06:11 < bobrayner> we don't even have any irc drama.
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06:11 < wctaiwan> well, most people are still asleep.
06:11 < wctaiwan> violent dreams, maybe.
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06:15 < mareklug> the Israeli rhythmic gymnast danced to something that could be described as operatic klezmer
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06:16 < Mdann52> Can someone in here help me with something please?
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06:22 < bobrayner> what do you need help with?
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06:24 < Mdann52> It's not me that needs help - it's another user that is constantly asking me to make a change that there is no consensus for- I want someone to help explain
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06:28 < bobrayner> ok; where is the change? Got a diff?
06:29 < Mdann52> I've moved it to http://www.enwp.org/User_talk:Nina626
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06:46 < bobrayner> have replied and watchlisted.
06:46 < Mdann52> Thanks
06:52 < Frood> er, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:201.242.249.55&action=edit&redlink=1
06:52 < Frood> talkpages aren't generally deleted, right...?
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06:52 < Pharos> guy on BBC just called amputee runner a "Blailtrazer" ;)
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06:53 < Pharos> Oscar Pistorius
06:54 < Frood> and why the hell was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WP_Symposium&action=history undeleted?
06:54 < Frood> There's still no third-party coverage
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06:54 < Frood> except a blog or two, which isn't reliable.
06:55 < Mdann52> Can someone with op ability come into -help please, we have a user that is just... confusing
06:55 < Frood> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Whouk&diff=prev&oldid=506553288
06:56 < Frood> ffs, userfy >_<
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08:02 < Frood> ooo, lame edit war. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Field_hockey_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_team_squads&action=history
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08:10 < foks> Frood, without looking - is that "field hockey" vs "hockey"?
08:10 < Frood> foks: no, it
08:11 < Frood> 's "This article is too big!" "No it's not!"
08:11 < Frood> but it's happening on multiple articles
08:11 < foks> Hm
08:12 < foks> Welp they're at 3RR...
08:12 < Frood> i'm closely watching both of them right now
08:12 < Frood> one is going to make a fourth revert.
08:13 < Frood> and there he goes
08:13 < Frood> fourth revert.
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08:14 < Mdann52> And that's a referral to tge chief referee there, I think
08:15 < Isarra> You know how when plants are young different kinds can look exactly the same?
08:15 < James_F> Isarra: Like humans, you mean?
08:16 < Isarra> I mean different species. Humans are already one species.
08:16 < foks> Frood, nope, still three each
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08:16 < Frood> foks: it's happening on two articles
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08:16 < foks> oh
08:16 < foks> what's the other?
08:16 < wctaiwan> Isarra: you looked like a baby chimpanzee when you were a few months old.
08:16 < Frood> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Field_hockey_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_team_squads&action=history
08:16 < foks> Oh.
08:16 < foks> :p
08:17 < Isarra> Probably the best I ever looked.
08:17 < Frood> and now the other one is going to game the system
08:17 < Frood> and revert in 24 hours
08:17 < wctaiwan> Frood: you seem to be enjoying this.
08:17  * Frood goes to 3RRN
08:17 < Frood> wctaiwan: i am
08:18 < Isarra> So it's not a revert war if they wait 24 hours between reverts?
08:18 < Frood> Isarra: it is, but they don't violate the 3RR that way.
08:19 < foks> both blocked anyway boyo
08:19 < wctaiwan> they still do.
08:19 < Frood> They do, though, game the system
08:19 < wctaiwan> gaming the system counts as 3RR.
08:19 < Frood> and that's not allowed
08:19 < wctaiwan> iirc.
08:19 < Frood> foks: you're still my favorite admin.
08:19 < Isarra> So what if the reverts take about a month and this goes on for about a year?
08:19  * foks grins.
08:20 < foks> Isarra, it's still edit warring in that case.
08:20 < Frood> Isarra: slow moving edit wars are still edit wars
08:20 < Isarra> They're just funnier edit wars?
08:20 < Frood> you don't have to violate the 3rr to be in an edit war
08:20 < foks> I only blocked for 24hours though. :/
08:20 < Isarra> I found it pretty amusing to watch that one.
08:20 < foks> The guy on the talkpage says "I'll revert again in 24 hours"
08:20 < foks> it's like he knew o:
08:20 < Isarra> Block him.
08:20 < Frood> he is blocked
08:21 < Isarra> ...more.
08:21 < Frood> indef?
08:21 < Isarra> Seems like overkill.
08:21 < wctaiwan> ...
08:21 < wctaiwan> can we not talk about blocks on IRC?
08:21 < wctaiwan> I find it to be in bad taste.
08:21 < Isarra> Block wctaiwan.
08:21 < wctaiwan> (aside from username blocks and vandalism ones and such)
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08:28 < Frood> foks: oh look
08:28 < Frood> one is requesting to be unblocked, saying you obviously can't count
08:28 < Frood> personal attack much?
08:28 < foks> lolz
08:28 < foks> I can't deal with the unblocks, COI and that
08:28 < Frood> ah yes
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08:31 < wctaiwan> Frood: PM.
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08:43 < Ironholds> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8148944/The-Pope-drops-Catholic-ban-on-condoms-in-historic-shift.html - WHAT THE FUCK?
08:43 < foks> that article be ooold
08:44 < Mdann52> Ironholds, yes they will
08:44 < Mdann52> Sorry,.misread the as they
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08:46 < wctaiwan> hey Ironholds
08:47 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: yo
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08:49 < Pharos> that's nice of him
08:49 < Frood> foks: and now the other guy. He just said "Apologise if i misuse the template. I'm just want to know if someone have war just to apply policy of editing and finally getting block, is that policy is something useless? " though
08:49 < Frood> I'm not quite sure what he's trying to say...
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08:49 < Pharos> this was back in 2010, ironhilds
08:49 < foks> He's saying "I was only applying policy, so if I'm blocked for that it seems pretty stupid"
08:50 < Pharos> *ironholds
08:50 < foks> completely ignoring the actual problem here
08:50 < Frood> ah
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09:06 < Frood> foks: wanna nuke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECDL_Foundation ?
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09:07 < Frood> oh shit what did I do
09:07  * Frood runs
09:08 < foks> it's fine, jeez
09:08 < Ironholds> is the wiki down?
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09:08 < Mdann52> No
09:09 < Ironholds> hmn. I'm timing out
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09:09 < Ironholds> ah, fixed
09:09 < Frood> i mean, now the article exists on wikipedia talk and wikipedia
09:09 < Frood> so i think the older one needs to be merged in?
09:10 < Frood> as in, the one on WP: into WT:
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09:22 < WikipediaLover15> why you kick James_F
09:22 < Frood> oh ffs
09:23 < Frood> LoganCloud: here too
09:23 < James_F> WikipediaLover15: You were asked to stop.
09:23 < WikipediaLover15> why i have 10 inch penis
09:23 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o James_F] by ChanServ
09:23 < WikipediaLover15> i ask frood for skype
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09:23 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+q *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.24.34] by James_F
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09:23 < WilliamH_UK> musketeers eh
09:23 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o James_F] by ChanServ
09:23 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o LoganCloud] by LoganCloud
09:23 < LoganCloud> I know Frood's Skype!
09:23 < GorillaWarfare> xD
09:24 < GorillaWarfare> And they spring into action
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09:24 < Frood> I know LoganCloud's skype!
09:24 < foks> wtf?
09:25  * GorillaWarfare sighs
09:26 < GorillaWarfare> One of the kids I was babysitting last night discovered I was quite allergic to ragweed and kept attacking me with handfuls of it
09:26  * GorillaWarfare sneezes uncontrollably
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09:27  * Fluffernutter passes GorillaWarfare some tissues
09:27 < GorillaWarfare> Thank you
09:27 < GorillaWarfare> :S
09:27  * Seddon gets blown to the otherside of the channel
09:28 < Fluffernutter> lightweight
09:28 < Ironholds> ragweed?
09:28 < Ironholds> Seddon, quiet
09:28 < Ironholds> you have no hope in hell of getting blown
09:28 < foks> ooooooooooh
09:28 < Fluffernutter> >_>
09:29 < GorillaWarfare> Heyo...
09:29 < James_F> Be nice, kiddies.
09:30  * Fluffernutter pleased to see James_F doing some opping
09:30 < James_F> Umm. OK.
09:30 < GorillaWarfare> Ironholds: [[Ragweed]]
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09:30 < Seddon> Ironholds: certainly not in my current condition, however this is a momentary lapse in sexual activity. Services shall return to normal in due course
09:30 < James_F> Normally I'm not present when it's needed.
09:30 < Fluffernutter> it's almost like you're one of us, James_F :D
09:31 < GorillaWarfare> "Each plant is reputed to be able to produce about a billion grains of pollen over a season,[2][3] and the plant is anemophilous (wind-pollinated). It is highly allergenic, generally considered the greatest allergen of all pollens, and the prime cause of hay fever in North America."
09:31 < Fluffernutter> plants are total sluts, clearly
09:31 < GorillaWarfare> The worst part of that article: "Total eradication of ragweed is impossible, bar viral gene therapy methods, owing to the plant's frugality and tremendous seed-producing capability"
09:32 < James_F> Fluffernutter: But y'are, Fluffer, y'are!
09:32 < James_F> Fluffernutter: Or "I *am* a real op!".
09:33 -!- Resfirestar [sam@wikipedia/Res2216firestar] has joined #wikipedia-en
09:33 < Fluffernutter> but you're still not a real boy until the blue fairy comes
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09:36 < Frood> yayyyy
09:36 < Frood> my schedule is online :D
09:36 < GorillaWarfare> What schedule?
09:36 < Frood> school
09:36 < GorillaWarfare> Ooh!
09:36 < GorillaWarfare> Exciting :)
09:37  * Fluffernutter misses getting excited about new school years
09:37 < Fluffernutter> it was so much fun
09:37 < Frood> aw
09:37 < Frood> I don't have my favorite teacher again
09:37 < Isarra> You got excited?
09:37  * Mdann52 never gets excited about new school years
09:37 < GorillaWarfare> My schedule next semester is a bit rough :S
09:37 < Frood> i signed up for a class so I could have him
09:37 < Isarra> What was it like?
09:37 < Frood> but I don't have him
09:37 < GorillaWarfare> But I'm excited nonetheless
09:37 < Isarra> Caring, that is.
09:38 < Isarra> I cared once. Bit of a mistake.
09:38 < Frood> though I'm in "PE Fitness" with the band director.
09:38 < Frood> I think that's a mistake...
09:38 < Isarra> Maths instructors are better for that, Frood.
09:38  * GorillaWarfare squees at "maths"
09:38 < Frood> 6:40-3 every day -.-
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09:38 < Pharos> benedict arnold!
09:39 < Isarra> O_o
09:39 < Pharos> you have betrayed the american tongue
09:39 < Isarra> There, there.
09:39 < Pharos> you shall never anjoy peanut butter again!
09:40 < Isarra> Anjoy?
09:40 < Pharos> it's a special verb for special peanut butter
09:40 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Quit: bai.]
09:40 < Pharos> also, i type phonetically sometimes
09:41 < Pharos> it's kind of intreresting neurologically!
09:41 < GorillaWarfare> Hah, almost signed an email to my academic advisor "- GW"
09:41 < GorillaWarfare> Bad sign...
09:41 < Pharos> because IAARL i am a wonderful speller
09:42 < Pharos> IRL
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09:42 < FroodLover15> where frood
09:42 < Pharos> froodistan
09:42 < GorillaWarfare> James_F: Wanna use those fancy ops powers?
09:42 < FroodLover15> Pharos: you no come skype I pay paypal show
09:43 < Isarra> What's it like having one handle?
09:43 < Isarra> I ve ever tried that.
09:43 < Isarra> n
09:43 < FroodLover15> I pay
09:43 < FroodLover15> paypal
09:43 < GorillaWarfare> !ops
09:43 < Pharos> it's like monogamy
09:43 < FroodLover15> why ops
09:43 < FroodLover15> Isarra: you skype
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09:43 < GorillaWarfare> Ty ty
09:43 < Fluffernutter> everybody loves frood~
09:43  * ty huggles GorillaWarfare <3
09:44 < GorillaWarfare> O.O
09:44 < James_F> Argh, sorry, was trying to guide colleagues in creating cloaks.
09:44 < GorillaWarfare> That must be an awful nick, ty
09:44 < GorillaWarfare> Getting pinged all the time
09:44 < ty> GorillaWarfare: Not really :P
09:44 -!- LoganCloud is now known as k
09:44 < jeremyb> ty: didn't i say that?
09:44 < ty> I mostly just get pinged from #cvn channels
09:44 < GorillaWarfare> Just by me, I suppose :P
09:44 < k> ty
09:44 < ty> k
09:44 < GorillaWarfare> Oh dear
09:44 < k> <3
09:44 < ty> <3
09:44 < Isarra> ...
09:44 < Pharos> most aren't that polite
09:45 < Isarra> Behave, please.
09:45  * k hits Isarra with a frying pan.
09:45 < ty> I don't see where we weren't behaving.
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09:45 < WilliamH_UK> if that guy comes back, he can be rangeblocked
09:46  * k hugs WilliamH_UK.
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09:49 < Matthew_> jorm: Poke
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10:20 < Matthew_> jorm: Poke?
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10:21 < jorm> i'm here, but i don't have time.  i won't for about an hour.
10:22 < Matthew_> Oh.  I have a quick bug report
10:22 < jorm> you can tell it to ironholds.  he lives for that.
10:22 < Matthew_> OK.  Thanks.
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10:26 < Matthew_> Ironholds: poke
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10:27 < Ironholds> Matthew_: poked!
10:28 < Ironholds> and yeah, I loves bugs
10:29 < Matthew_> Ironholds: Great!  I'm pretty sure this article was moved, but it still has the Curation sidebar: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Medu321/_Ahmed_Ullah_Maizbhanderi
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10:38 < Ironholds> Matthew_: hmmn
10:38 < Ironholds> okay, that's weird
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10:39 < Isarra> I love you guys.
10:39 < Ironholds> hang on, I'm gonna drag my laptop over to the devs
10:39 < Ironholds> Isarra: well, we do rock pretty hard
10:39 < Ironholds> as do you
10:41 < Isarra> O_o
10:41 < Matthew_> Ironholds: I think it was because of the page move.
10:41 < Ironholds> Matthew_: that's what I said to benny
10:42 < Ironholds> he said "well, that shouldn't be happening" :P
10:42 < Ironholds> so I'll open a bugzilla entry for it. thanks! :)
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10:42 < Matthew_> Ironholds: Thanks :)
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10:44 < Ironholds> Matthew_: okay, we've worked it out
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10:45 < Ironholds> so, newly created pages in article or userspace get in the list, right?
10:45 < Ironholds> and every hour or so, a cron job automatically scans the list, and if something has been moved out of those namespaces, removes it
10:45 < Ironholds> the issue here was that all the moves were in like, 20, 30 minutes, and it ended up at the same location as it started in
10:46 < Ironholds> so they started moving after cron1 ended, and before cron2 started. so it never happened, for all intents and purposes :)
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10:46 < Ironholds> and the curation toolbar is actually meant to display in userspace - if you open things like the CSD options you'll see it's got userspace-specific ones
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10:47 < Matthew_> Ironholds: Ooooooh, OK.  That makes sense.
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10:49 < AzaToth> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19208108 ← "They now have a partial lock, meaning that anonymous users and those without a Wikipedia account..."
10:49 < AzaToth> "and"?
10:49 -!- GorillaWarfare is now known as GW|AFK
10:50  * AzaToth looks for accounts that are anonymous
10:50 < Ironholds> AzaToth: yours ;p
10:50 < Ironholds> accounts are really more anonymised than IPs - or at least, pseudonymised
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10:57 < AzaToth> Ironholds: I was just pointing on the stupid formulation by bbc
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10:58 < AzaToth> is it just me, or is imgur.com down?
10:58 < AzaToth> and http://status.twitter.com ...
10:59 < mysterytrey> I see both.
10:59 < AzaToth> strange
10:59 < Mdann52> Same here - both are working for me
11:00 < mysterytrey> I don't see favicon on status.twitter though
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11:05 < AzaToth> ok, twitter status was ok, local issue, but I still can't even connect to imgur
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11:05 < Isarra> Does wikipedia's logo use consistently-shaped puzzle pieces?
11:06 < BarkingFish> AzaToth, what URL on imgur are you trying to reach?
11:06 < BarkingFish> The site in general seems to be OK from here
11:06 < AzaToth> imgur.com
11:06 < mysterytrey> AzaToth: Where are you?  Did your ISP block it for some reason?
11:06 < AzaToth> mysterytrey: i.imgur.com works fine
11:06 < SudoKing> better yest has anyone constructed a real life model of the WP globe :P
11:07 < AzaToth> so if they did that, they are stupid :-P
11:07 < BarkingFish> which ISP are you with?
11:07 < AzaToth> but no, my ISP doesn't block anything
11:07 < BarkingFish> may just be a fault with their routing
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11:07 < mysterytrey> My ISP doesn't "block" anything either.
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11:07 < SudoKing> iptables
11:08 < mysterytrey> I get some obscure 404 error when I go to some websites though/
11:08 < AzaToth> I notice some routing issues
11:09 < AzaToth> at home imgur.com resolves to 23.23.137.192, 23.23.136.102 which doesn't work
11:09 < AzaToth> at work it resolves to 23.23.110.58, 23.23.110.81 which does work
11:09 < Peter-C> O-o
11:09 < Peter-C> Virus?
11:09 < mysterytrey> That's creepy.
11:09 < AzaToth> Peter-C: I'm using debian
11:09 < Peter-C> so ._.
11:09 < mysterytrey> I say your ISP is monitering you.
11:09 < mareklug> AzaToth:  pinging it returns nothing, but the web browser finds it no problem
11:10  * mysterytrey is parinoid, though.
11:10 < AzaToth> I can access 23.23.110.58 from here at home fine
11:10 < AzaToth> ok, now imgur.com works again...
11:10 < AzaToth> blody internet
11:10 < AzaToth> gonna kill it with fire
11:10 < mysterytrey> I can't ping 23.23.137.192
11:11  * AzaToth pulls the internet plug
11:11 < mysterytrey> I can't ping 23.23.136.102
11:11 < AzaToth> mysterytrey: probably some zone file fnuckup
11:11 < mareklug> it probably so presses ping
11:11 < mareklug> supresses
11:11 < mysterytrey> I can't ping 23.23.110.58
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11:11 < BarkingFish> looks like some heavy duty congestion somewhere. I'm trying to traceroute to 23.23.136.102 and getting the traceroute hang after 205.251.245.65
11:12 < mysterytrey> I can't ping 23.23.110.81
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11:12 < AzaToth> mysterytrey: few sites nowadays follows the rule to listen to ping
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11:12 < mysterytrey> Well that's stupid.
11:12 < AzaToth> yea
11:12 < AzaToth> but everyone is afraid of h4xx0rs
11:12 < mysterytrey> Oh yes.
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11:13 < mysterytrey> I'm a pro h4x0r and I will DDoS you via ping.
11:13 < BarkingFish> that is one of the weirdest traceroute lines I've ever seen.  traceroute through one ip, and it tests others on the same line.
11:13 < BarkingFish>  9  205.251.245.65 (205.251.245.65)  112.575 ms 72.21.222.155 (72.21.222.155)  115.950 ms 72.21.222.145 (72.21.222.145)  107.949 ms
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11:16 < mysterytrey> Wow.  I got five of the tracert's in my state.
11:16 < mysterytrey> That's odd.
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11:19 < BarkingFish> back in a bit, gotta reboot
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11:22 < GorillaWarfare> o/ MJ94
11:22 < MJ94> GorillaWarfare: :)
11:23 < MJ94> Sup?
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11:24 < GorillaWarfare> Oh not much
11:24 < GorillaWarfare> Enjoying a rainy day off
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11:25  * Fluffernutter wants a day offff
11:25 < GorillaWarfare> And yourself?
11:25 < GorillaWarfare> Fluffernutter: Heh, it's my last one for a while :/
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11:31 < BarkingFish> off to get some dinner. back later :)
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11:31  * Peter-C licks GorillaWarfare
11:31 < Fluffernutter> mmm, food
11:31 < GorillaWarfare> o.O
11:31 < GorillaWarfare> What an odd combination of comments
11:31  * Pharos demands food
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11:32 < Pharos> preferably free food
11:32  * Peter-C sacrifices GorillaWarfare
11:32 < Peter-C> food! :D
11:32  * Peter-C reliazes GorillaWarfare could have brought them food D:
11:32  * GorillaWarfare would like to make it clear that she is not food
11:32  * Fluffernutter demands food
11:32  * Peter-C revives GorillaWarfare
11:32  * Kenneaal tries a nibble on Fluffernutter's finger.
11:33 < mysterytrey> I didn't know we did this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Brinston&oldid=506764051
11:33  * Peter-C eats Kenneaal’s ear
11:33 < Fluffernutter> noo despite evidence to the contrary I am not food
11:33  * Mdann52 locks Peter-C away until they are no longer a menace to Wikipedians
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11:33 < Kenneaal> Augh!
11:33  * Peter-C eats the room
11:33  * Mdann52 surrounds the room in acid
11:34 < Peter-C> Awwww, you shouldn’t have
11:34  * Peter-C drinks
11:34  * Mdann52 gives up
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11:34 < Pharos> hi Brooklyn!
11:34 < Brooklyn> hi :)
11:35 < Pharos> are you a dodgers fan?
11:35 < Mdann52> Good job I'm not at a desk then
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11:35 < Pharos> Brooklyn: can I challenge you to a stickball match, winner gets the irc nick?
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11:36 < Brooklyn> virtual irc stickball?
11:36 < Brooklyn> I'm in Trenton right now
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11:36 < Pharos> traitor!
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11:37 < Brooklyn> ?
11:38 < True_Brooklynite> you are selling us out to Gov Christie right now!
11:38  * Brooklyn no like Christie
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11:38  * Brooklyn like Bloomberg
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11:38 < True_Brooklynite> but do you like Markowitz?
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11:41 < True_Brooklynite> if you don't have an opinion on Markowitz, you are not a True Brooklynitew
11:41 < aude> hah
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11:43 < ChrisGualtieri> What do I do if  user continues to bug me and now threaten to take me to ANI
11:43 < mareklug> wait for ANI
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11:44 < ChrisGualtieri> The problem is he is disrupting me and ruining my day again
11:44 < Pharos> you know what happens who someone "takes it to ANI"?
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11:47 < jeremyb> Pharos: what about vito?
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11:49 < mysterytrey> Is facebook now integrated with wikipedia?
11:49 < mysterytrey> Oh nevermind.
11:50 < BlastHardcheese> of course, jimbo sold the whole thing to facebook and retired to the bahamas
11:50 < Pharos> that's a ridiculous statement
11:51 < Pharos> everyone knows jimbo can't swim
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11:53 < ChrisGualtieri> Pharos:  I don't want such a stupid thing to go to ANI
11:54 < ChrisGualtieri> And I don't want him blocked either >.>
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11:54 < Pharos> i that case you can do what i do
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11:56 < ChrisGualtieri> What's that?
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11:59 < ChrisGualtieri> I just don't like people who ignore talk page comments, yet return a day later to call my edits or their speed BS
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12:03 < mysterytrey> I hate getting talk page comments.  It gives me anxiety.
12:04 < WilliamH_UK> i hate getting talk page comments while using checkuser, it makes me feel like i've made an enormous mistake or something
12:05 < Ironholds> I hate getting talk page comments while I'm working
12:05 < Ironholds> it means I might have done something fireable ;p
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12:06 < GorillaWarfare> Heh, Ironholds, I sincerely hope that if you do get fired, it's not via talk page message
12:08 < ChrisGualtieri> Hey Ironholds :)
12:08 < mysterytrey> GorillaWarfare: Would you prefer him fired out of a cannon?
12:08 < GorillaWarfare> mysterytrey: YES.
12:08 < GorillaWarfare> But only if he lands on something squishy
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12:10 < mysterytrey> Hmm... That's a nice quit message.  "brb reboot"
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12:11 < mysterytrey> That's not as nice a quit message.  "Read error: Connection reset by peer"
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12:14 < SigmaWP> In regex, is + greedy?
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12:17 < ChrisGualtieri> Huh?
12:19 < Peter-C> http://gizmodo.com/5921868
12:19 < Peter-C> HOLY BALLSACK
12:19 < Peter-C> I had a medgasam
12:19 < mareklug> SigmaWP:  "The reason is that the plus is greedy. That is, the plus causes the regex engine to repeat …"  http://www.regular-expressions.info/repeat.html
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12:19 < Peter-C> BarkingFish - http://gizmodo.com/5921868
12:19 < SigmaWP> Thanks
12:19 < Peter-C> READ IT
12:19 < Peter-C> and this http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/4/140/140ra88
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12:19 < Peter-C> Good stuff
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12:20 < BarkingFish> ffs. medical science should not be playing god :/
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12:23 < BarkingFish> Good idea and all, but the brain is constantly learning, Peter-C - and if it learns it can survive without breathing, why would it stimulate the response when it was eventually able to?
12:23 < BlastHardcheese> yeah, how dare those liberal doctors stop god from killing people
12:23 < russavia> caption this photo -- https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/165522_178889745482499_4235783_n.jpg
12:23 < Peter-C> haha
12:25 < SigmaWP> BarkingFish: The first thing that came to my mind when I saw that was swimming :P
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12:28 < mysterytrey> I'm hungry
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12:28 < BarkingFish> SigmaWP, the first thing that came into my mind was what you see above.  If the brain realizes it can survive without stimulating the response to breathe - which it will, given that it's not stimulating breathing, but still receiving oxygen, why would it return to stimulating breathing when whatever caused the respiratory failure was corrected?
12:28 < SigmaWP> Because you'll die otherwise
12:29 < mysterytrey> 1 line answer to a 4 line question
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12:30 < SigmaWP> It works on Stack Overflow
12:30 < BarkingFish> SigmaWP, not to the brain's way of thinking.  It's getting oxygen without stimulating the neural response to trigger breathing :P
12:30 < BarkingFish> Why would it not be expecting more?
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12:31 < SigmaWP> BarkingFish: Maybe it is expecting more. But when it realises that there isn't more, it'll die unless it breathes
12:32 < Vito_away> jeremyb: ?
12:32 < jeremyb> lol
12:33 < BarkingFish> SigmaWP, so you think it would kick in again when it realizes the oxygen has stopped, and trigger local respiration again?
12:33 < jeremyb> Vito_away: see the context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vito_Lopez
12:33 < SigmaWP> Yup
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12:34 < Actress1989> yo
12:35 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish you not in Germany yet?
12:35 < BarkingFish> SigmaWP, that's an interesting thought.  I wonder how long it will be before it gets tested on a human patient - i'd like to see the timeframe between the end of the oxygenation and the start of localized breathing again...
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12:35 < BarkingFish> WilliamH_UK, you weren't in the other night when I was ripping BA apart?
12:35 < BarkingFish> I could have sworn you were.
12:35 < Actress1989> hiya BarkingFish
12:36 < BarkingFish> hi Actress1989
12:36 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish I was
12:36 < WilliamH_UK> the next flight is a while away right?
12:36 < BarkingFish> yeah, 27th August
12:36 < BarkingFish> with Easyjet anyway, I'm not flying with Bleedin' Atrocious anymore
12:37 < Actress1989> how r u guys
12:37 < BarkingFish> meh...
12:37 < Vito_away> jeremyb: it's definitely not me :p
12:38 < SigmaWP> I wish all the NPPers other than me had something important to do outside right now
12:38 < SigmaWP> I haven't gotten a single tag today yet
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12:39 < jeremyb> Vito_away: [citation needed]
12:39 < Jarry1250> WilliamH_UK: ty for the barnstar
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12:39 < WilliamH_UK> not at all
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12:43 < mysterytrey> russavia: http://i.imgur.com/AEVZt.jpg
12:44 < Vito_away> jeremyb: [[WP:BLP|you need to have a ref, not me!]]
12:44 < jeremyb> Vito_away: you first
12:44 < mysterytrey> SigmaWP: You could always patrol from the /back/ of the backlog.
12:45 < SigmaWP> There aren't any CSD candidates there
12:45 < Dcoetzee> Or the middle
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12:45 < Dcoetzee> You can sometimes find CSD candidates by looking 1-3 days in the past.
12:45 < Dcoetzee> To find the ones that slipped by VP.
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12:45 < BarkingFish> Anyone here familiar with the RS policy? Got a poser for you.  My article on the aussie sculpture I am working on, currently uses a story from the Sydney Morning Herald as a ref.  Am I allowed to use another ref from the same newspaper (not the same day, mind) to support something else in the article?
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12:46 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Of course...
12:46 < mysterytrey> russavia: Ping?
12:46 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish absolutely
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12:46 < Vito_away> jeremyb: BLP policy is negative, so you need a ref to prove I'm him u.u
12:46 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Diversity of sources is important, but adding more refs from a single source is never actively harmful.
12:46 < jeremyb> Vito_away: you first!
12:47 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Particularly with newspapers in which articles are generally written by different people, etc.
12:47  * Vito_away takes a look at jeremyb's centralauth
12:47 < BarkingFish> that was the issue, Dcoetzee - single source.  I wanted to understand whether multiple refs from the same newspaper still counted as single source, or whether different days counted as different sources
12:47 < Dcoetzee> Hrmmm.
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12:47 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: I'd say "sort of". Here's the issue.
12:48 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: The articles may be written by different authors (or may not be - see if you can find that out). Either way, any editorial bias in the newspaper could be showing through in both examples.
12:48 < Dcoetzee> The end result is that it's better than a single source, and worse than two clearly distinct sources.
12:48 < BarkingFish> right.  Well I know the two refs have different authors, that's a start
12:48 < Dcoetzee> Think of it like 1 1/2 sources.
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12:49 < BarkingFish> actually, balls. They're both the same author. I was looking at the bloody photographers credit >:(
12:49 < SigmaWP> I'm unsure of what to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Jam_In_Dhaka
12:50 < BarkingFish> stand in the road and direct traffic, SigmaWP? :P
12:50 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: I'ma speedy it.
12:50 < SigmaWP> Heh
12:50 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: What CSD?
12:50 < Dcoetzee> IAR!
12:50 < BarkingFish> so that makes it slightly worse, Dcoetzee - right? 2 articles, same newspaper, same author
12:50 < SigmaWP> Yay!
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12:51 < ChrisGualtieri> Hey Dcoetzee, have you started working on the you-know-what yet?
12:52 < Dcoetzee> ChrisGualtieri: Been busy with the stuff I'm paid for, I'm afraid :-)
12:52 < ChrisGualtieri> I could pay XD
12:54 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: If DGG sees that deletion he's going to eat your head off :P
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12:54 < Dcoetzee> ChrisGualtieri: I understand your impatience but I'll see when I can get time for it :-)
12:54 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: I added comment at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kafi12 explaining myself
12:55 < SigmaWP> Hm, that should help
12:55 < ChrisGualtieri> Yep yep, sorry! I'm impatient cause todays my last day of Typoscan unless that guy bugs me again
12:55 < Dcoetzee> I'm an inclusionist but even I gotta IAR delete sometimes :-)
12:55 < Dcoetzee> And I *much* prefer IAR deletion to warping CSD to fit whatever thing you want to delete.
12:55  * SigmaWP shifts feet uncomfortably
12:56 < Dcoetzee> ChrisGualtieri: S'okay :-)
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13:08 < BarkingFish> Anyone seen steve zhang around ?
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13:09 < BarkingFish> If not, are there any other australians in here?  I just need to know (bear in mind, my geographyu is shite), which way is Tamarama beach, from Bondi? Does it go towards North or South Bondi?
13:10  * Dcoetzee uses power of Google Maps...
13:10 < Dcoetzee> I've been to Bondi but I remember nothing
13:10 < BarkingFish> apparently, my spelling is shite too.  s/*geographyu/geography
13:10 < russavia> what's at tamarama?
13:10 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: South
13:10 < BarkingFish> another beach, russavia
13:10 < BarkingFish> Thanks Dcoetzee
13:10 < russavia> and who you hooking up with there?
13:10 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: You'll cross Marks Park on the way
13:11 < BarkingFish> my net is so slow that google maps simply pixellates for about 5 minutes when I go there, before showing anything recognizable
13:11 < mareklug> "Tamarama has a small ocean beach about 1 kilometre south of Bondi Beach"  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarama,_New_South_Wales
13:11 < Dcoetzee> There are no beaches to the north of Bondi at all.
13:11 < russavia> barkingfish -- http://www.whereis.com/?id=67CFE443B8837A
13:12 < BarkingFish> I'm not going there - it's part of the text for the [[Little Boy Lost (sculpture) article.
13:12 < russavia> about 1km from bondi
13:12 < BarkingFish> *[[Little Boy Lost (sculpture)]]
13:12 < BarkingFish> i'm sorry, i'm flat out of it tonight.
13:12 < BarkingFish> I've been on "tea" all evening. Ran out of coffee earlier, cba to go get any.
13:12 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: That is an amazing sculpture
13:13 < russavia> speed works barkingfish
13:13 < SigmaWP> Has BarkingFish taken the plane to Australia instead of Germany?
13:13 < BarkingFish> yeah - I thought that when I first saw the work on it, Dcoetzee
13:13 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: It seems like it's not permanently installed so no FOP?
13:14 < BarkingFish> My initial reaction was "if I saw that kid alone on the beach, like that, I'd have probably gone and asked what was wrong." I had no idea it was a sculpture till i read on, and found out it was nearly 5ft tall.
13:14 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, no, it's not there anymore.
13:15 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: But it's not permanently installed at its present location either?
13:15 < BarkingFish> the realistic nature of it freaked me out.
13:15 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, I don't know where it is now
13:16 < BarkingFish> It was on Tamarama beach between October and December 2009, I don't know where the artist moved it to when the exhibition closed
13:16 < russavia> have you tried getting in toich with trefry?
13:16 < BarkingFish> Not yet, no.
13:16 < BarkingFish> It's a good idea, guess he must have a studio page somewhere.
13:17 < russavia> http://cfxworkshop.com/noflash/About/AboutUs.html
13:17 < BarkingFish> he certainly doesn't have an article, although now Wikiproject Australia have gotten on it, I think he will have soon, if I ask nicely :)
13:18 < russavia> i'd prob pull the article into your userspace
13:19 < russavia> get in touch with them for free photos
13:19 < russavia> tell em you'll spam front page with them for DYK or something
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13:19 < BarkingFish> I have a free photo.  He took the one I'm using on the article :)
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13:20 < BarkingFish> well not free, per se, but you know what I mean.
13:21 < BarkingFish> I pulled it from a blog, I contacted the owner of the blog and she informed me that the artist took the pic, which is why I've listed it non-free use
13:21 < BarkingFish> it's still his image, but it's not replaceable with free media as it's not in place at the location anymore.  That particular shot is not replaceable
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13:26 < russavia> what i mean is getting a photo from the artist themselves released under free licence
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13:26 < russavia> then it can go onto fron t page
13:26 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, now this is what I mean about realism. http://cfxworkshop.com/flash/index.html - go there, click image 03 - and look.  That face couldn't be anymore real.
13:28 < BarkingFish> nvm, doesn't work. fucking flash :(
13:28 < BarkingFish> screenshot coming up
13:31 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: You were right
13:31 < SigmaWP> Someone missed a G10
13:31 < IShadowed> STONE THEM
13:31 < IShadowed> THEY DESERVE NO LIFE
13:32 < Pharos> good point
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13:34 < russavia> barkingfish do you think they are more realistic than this face? http://bit.ly/QNNEad
13:35 < BarkingFish> much more realistic. You can see that one is mostly plastic, russavia :)
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13:36 < russavia> as oppoed to latex and the like?
13:36 < Haruspex> hi~
13:36 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Thorn
13:36 < ChrisGualtieri> Haha... This article is funny, I don't know what to do with it
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13:37 < Haruspex> Today I read an article on how wiki pages are generally written by different people of different trades
13:38 < Haruspex> Whereas they are formed and maintained by a small number of volunters
13:38 < Haruspex> *volunteer
13:38 < Haruspex> How true is that,  I wonder?
13:39 < ChrisGualtieri> Many edits are anonymous and few Wikipedians give out their job info, dubious I say
13:39 < Fluffernutter> thinking of the people I know who write articles, some write about their trade but more write about something that's not their trade
13:39 < Fluffernutter> for instance, I write about crime mostly. I'm neither a criminal, a lawyer, nor a police officer
13:40 < WilliamH_UK> by "different trades" they simply mean people of all different backgrounds
13:40 < WilliamH_UK> obvs. they still volunteer to edit
13:40 < Haruspex> Any professional to cross check that, no offense?
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13:41 < SigmaWP> Haruspex: Well, I write about things that I am personally interested in
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13:41 < WilliamH_UK> Haruspex what else would they mean then? something that's patently incorrect?
13:41 < ChrisGualtieri> The statement is weaselly, but whatever
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13:41 < Haruspex> or is a "professional" is really needed, whereas curious individuals seems to do fine
13:42 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: russavia is right, the artist can release a photo of the work that they have created or commissioned under a suitable contract themselves under a free license without releasing the sculpture under a free license. Alternatively if you can secure free licenses from both the sculptor (for a particular photo) and from the photographer you're good to go. However that would be challenging.
13:42 < ChrisGualtieri> See the 'expert attention needed' tags, professionals are not so readily on hand
13:42 < Haruspex> I think for languages that have many contributors, that should not be an issue
13:43 < SigmaWP> Haruspex: Curious individuals who write from the words of venerated scholars should be fine
13:43 < Dcoetzee> Professionals actually have a history of being terrible Wikipedians.
13:44 < Dcoetzee> Because the scholarly tradition is of course in traditional research, and they often possess a great deal of knowledge without being quite sure where it came from.
13:44 < Haruspex> because of possible inclination?
13:44 < Dcoetzee> *in original research
13:44 < Dcoetzee> However I think they are really valuable for fact checking.
13:44 < Dcoetzee> That takes less of their precious time and they can spot problems easily.
13:45 < Dcoetzee> I think it would be a valuable exercise to launch a "help us fact check your field on Wikipedia" campaign.
13:46 < ChrisGualtieri> Works for trades, history and such, but not cultural
13:46 < Dcoetzee> Well yeah in cultural areas experts may disagree.
13:46 < Dcoetzee> But nevertheless their input is valuable and can be taken into account.
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13:47 < Dcoetzee> In fact, I would go so far as to say requesting expert review should be a routine part of every Featured Article review.
13:47 < Dcoetzee> (e.g. by e-mail)
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13:48 < Dcoetzee> Maybe even GA.
13:48 < ChrisGualtieri> GA probably not
13:48 < ChrisGualtieri> FA could be possible
13:49 < Dcoetzee> I'll suggest that at VPP and see what they think. And link it from WPT:FAC
13:49 < Dcoetzee> errr VPR
13:49 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: But if you're the only expert in the article's subject, who will review?
13:50 < SigmaWP> And this is coal ball related :P
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13:50 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: No field has only one expert. Otherwise no one could review your work. :-)
13:50 < russavia> barkingfish, i am talking to the artist who did this, trying to convince him to give clear CC licence -- http://www.livejournal.ru/static/files/themes/quote/13033_04.jpg -- I will eventually write an article on him, and will try to DYK it with that image
13:50 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: And a field in which no one can review the work of the only expert is a field devoid of reliable sources.
13:50 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: And hence ineligible for inclusion.
13:50 < SigmaWP> Hmph.
13:50 < SigmaWP> All the coal ball experts are either retired or dead
13:50 < Dcoetzee> It may be the case that one person is more expert than others.
13:51 < Dcoetzee> But the point is, if you're submitting your papers somewhere, somebody is reviewing them, and they must have some kind of clue.
13:51 < Pharos> who has been killing them off, SigmaWP ?
13:51 < SigmaWP> Old age
13:51 < Dcoetzee> (coal ball conspiracy?)
13:52 < SigmaWP> I would be mildly surprised if I was the only living person who knew so much about coal balls
13:52 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: That's terribly exciting and terribly lonely
13:52  * SigmaWP agrees
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13:52 < Dcoetzee> On the plus side, WP has the world expert on coal balls, so that's a plus for us ;-)
13:53 < Pharos> I'm pretty sure I'
13:53 < Pharos> m the world expert on George Washington
13:53 < Pharos> (inventor)
13:53 < SigmaWP> :P
13:54 < Abdela> H
13:54 < Pharos> I
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13:55 < Dcoetzee> I don't think I'm a world expert in anything. Although I'm supposed to be if I want to finish my PhD.
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13:55 < WilliamH_UK> heh
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13:56 < harej> Yikes, Brooklyn has really gone downhill.
13:56 < Trenton> Pharos: I'll be in lower Manhattan on 8/18 - the Q sucks.
13:57 < Trenton> Dcoetzee: file editing? :P
13:57 < Pharos> the Q is a wonderful train
13:57 < foks> NEW YORK NEW YORK
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13:58 < Trenton> Q is nice but IT TAKES FOREVER to get to a local Q - well, I guess I should expect that if it's a Brooklyn express.
13:58 < Trenton> :/
13:58 < Pharos> you have to take into account the fabulous places it goes
13:58 < foks> oh pharos
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13:59 < Trenton> The part in Brooklyn in fine, but the skip-stop pattern on weekends sucks (at least, in Queens)
14:00 < Trenton> [[Q (New York City Subway service)#Stations]]
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14:01 < Trenton> I'm looking forward to the T
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14:01 < harej> Boston raged.
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14:03 < Trenton> I'm talking the 'T' as in the Second Avenue Subway
14:03 < Trenton> [[Second Avenue Subway]]
14:03 < Dcoetzee> It is done http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#A_new_featured_article_candidate_requirement:_expert_review_request
14:03 < Dcoetzee> I'll see how it goes. It might be a little bit too radical. :-P
14:04 < Trenton> Dcoetzee: So if I wanted to write about [[MissingNo.]], I'd have to contact an expert on [[MissingNo.]], eh?
14:04 < Dcoetzee> I said in a relevant field :-)
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14:04 < Dcoetzee> There are Pokemon experts out there!
14:04 < Qcoder02> Hi Dcoetzee
14:05 < harej> I know, Trenton. Boston still raged.
14:05 < Trenton> .
14:06 < Dcoetzee> Trenton: I did however add a line about pop culture to the proposal, thanks for reminding me. :-)
14:06 < Trenton> MBTA Green Line = wtf
14:06 < SigmaWP> Ugh
14:06 < SigmaWP> I wish everyone used fcite
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14:08 < SigmaWP> The Croatia article took around 20 seconds to load
14:08 < Trenton> Two seconds here.
14:09 < Trenton> I used to use AT&T dsl, it sucked.
14:09 < SigmaWP> Fuck you and your 5-second Debian downloads :P
14:09 < Trenton> :P
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14:10 < Trenton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed?mwe-pt-sort-oldest=pagetriage-oldest < [[Modular decomposition]] remains unreviewed
14:10 < foks> Dcoetzee, I'm not sure there are any experts on XBLA games either ;)
14:11 < Dcoetzee> foks: Sure there are. IGN reviewers for one :-)
14:11 < Dcoetzee> Also the game's developers
14:12 < Dcoetzee> I'd also consider Let's Play celebrities who are recognised as expert players as candidates.
14:12 < Dcoetzee> e.g. Day[9] for Starcraft 2
14:12 < Dcoetzee> Really anyone who's a pro level player in e-sports.
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14:13 < SigmaWP> Oh damn
14:13 < SigmaWP> Sergius Mamay, a paleobotanist who specialised in coal ball studies, died in 2008
14:13 < Pharos> there's a pattern!
14:13 < Pharos> only one man living has a motive...
14:14 < Pharos> J'accuse!!!
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14:18 < Qcoder02> Evening all
14:18 < Peter-C> Grand theft auto is my middle name
14:18 < mysterytrey> Evening q
14:19 < Soapy> thats quite an unusual name
14:20  * mysterytrey 's middle name is Cindy.
14:20 < Trenton> Hello, Peter Grand Theft Auto C.
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14:20 < Peter-C> Sup
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14:21 < Peter-C> mysterytrey - My middle name is better
14:21 < mysterytrey> My last name is Nyan.
14:21 < Peter-C> >:O
14:21  * Peter-C flips over a table
14:22 < mysterytrey> You did a flip over a table, or you fliped a table over?
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14:22 < Trenton> CBTC FOR THE 7 FLUSHING :D
14:22 < Trenton> R188's, hurry up.
14:22 < Qcoder02> Peter-C:   Can;t you steal an EMS waggon in one version of the GTA series?
14:23 < Peter-C> mhm
14:24 < mysterytrey> Does anybody know who AlertEye is?  The one in the channel?  They've been idling for 3 days, which, IMO, is odd.  Also, my last name isn't nyan.
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14:26 < Dcoetzee> Gah somebody botching their EC merges
14:26 < Dcoetzee> In my thread
14:26 < harej> Heaven forbid.
14:26 < mysterytrey> EC merges?  Your thread?  I am confused.
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14:28 < mysterytrey> What is an ec merge & what is your thread?
14:28 < Dcoetzee> Two people added comments and blew away previous comments.
14:28 < Dcoetzee> And my changes to the lead.
14:28 < Dcoetzee> Trying to fix no time to talk
14:29 < Dcoetzee> Ugh and somebody else is trying to fix it at the same time
14:29 < Dcoetzee> Edit conflicts suck
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14:31 < mysterytrey> Has something been oversighted on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_%22Hank%22_Nelson ?   Because otherwise someone just created a page with a csd.
14:32 < Trenton> looks like an ec to me
14:32 < Trenton> *edit conflict
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14:36 < Soapy> heh
14:36 < Soapy> thats actually pretty common .. to see a new page with a deletion tag already on it
14:37 < Soapy> it basically just means someone copy-pasted a page that was deleted earlier and didnt bother to remove teh deletion tag or didnt know how
14:37 < Soapy> though this isnt a case of that
14:37 < Soapy> it looks like someone just accidentally re-created the page
14:38 < Soapy> it's gone now though
14:38 < TeeTylerToe> or people try to find meaning in their lives by bringing up notability questions about any new article they don't know anything about
14:38 < TeeTylerToe> forcing a pointless argument about what notability means
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14:38 < TeeTylerToe> and whether or not an article for something that stopped production in the 1970s qualifies as advertisement
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14:40 < Trenton> wtf...
14:40 < Trenton> O_o
14:40 < Trenton> the next time I meet derp, I want to strangle him\
14:41 < foks> ?
14:42 < TeeTylerToe> he derped one herp too many
14:42 < TeeTylerToe> a herp too far
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14:42 < WilliamH_UK> isn't that a james bond film?
14:42 < WilliamH_UK> GoldenDerp
14:42 < WilliamH_UK> Dr. Derp
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14:42 < WilliamH_UK> haha
14:42 < WilliamH_UK> oh wow
14:42 < WilliamH_UK> Derp and Let Herp
14:42 < Trenton> derp - zalgo, et
14:42 < Trenton> c
14:42 < WilliamH_UK> i know, I'm joking :P
14:43 < Trenton> just discovered that he's been in contact with gnaa and sent them *lots* of irc logs
14:43 < Trenton> :(
14:43 < Dcoetzee> Well it looks like I came up with a proposal that is violently opposed to Wikipedia culture.
14:43 < foks> oh, that's ooold news
14:43 < WilliamH_UK> of which channel, this one?
14:43 < WilliamH_UK> he did that ages ago
14:43 < Dcoetzee> I'll have to keep that in mind for future reference.
14:43 < Trenton> foks: ja, I know
14:43 < TeeTylerToe> Somehow I think gnaa can get any logs it wants
14:43 < WilliamH_UK> has he done it since?
14:43 < foks> nobody even cares
14:44 < TeeTylerToe> 200 out of the 199 people here are probably bots
14:44 < Trenton> derp is one of my old irc-buddies
14:44 < Trenton> well, not very 'old'
14:44 < Trenton> given that we spoke less than a week ago
14:44 < foks> yeah, mine too
14:44 < foks> wasn't exactly thrilled when he did that
14:45 < TeeTylerToe> the nick derp wasn't a giveaway?
14:45 < Trenton> no, it was SerialSockpuppet
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14:45 < Trenton> I just realized it, since I'd been reading (shhh!) gnaa irc logs out of curiosity, and the first names were always that alias
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14:48 < WilliamH_UK> basically nothing of any interest in this chatroom happens anyway
14:49 < TeeTylerToe> people are plenty caty here
14:49 < Pharos> when they should be more walrusy
14:49 < ChrisGualtieri> >.>?
14:50 < TeeTylerToe> it would be so much simpler if we were all newts
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14:51 < Pharos> walrus > newt > cat
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14:51 < SoapX> gingrich has edited wikipedia
14:51 < mysterytrey> Someone should kick everyone out of this channel.
14:51 < Trenton> SoapX: ?
14:52 < Trenton> gingrich?
14:52 < TeeTylerToe> that sounds like a character from dune
14:52 < TeeTylerToe> creature
14:52 < Dcoetzee> Argh I'm getting increasingly frustrated with this kneejerk anti-elitism.
14:52 < Qcoder02> ?
14:52 < Pharos> so says THE MAN
14:52 < TeeTylerToe> especially since the driving force behind it are ivy league graduate titans of industry
14:53 < Pharos> stop putting us li'l folks down!
14:53 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder02: My ill-considered proposal is running contrary to Wikipedia culture and facing a snow oppose :-P
14:53 < Dcoetzee> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)&pe=1&#A_new_featured_article_candidate_requirement:_expert_review_request
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14:53 < Pharos> wait, are you talking about dysfunctional politics or dysfunctional wikis?
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14:54 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:  Find me a credible subject expert on  Robot Fetishism ;)
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14:54 < TeeTylerToe> it's easier than you'd expect
14:54 < Qcoder02> There are some articles for which no "Expert" would exist
14:54 < TeeTylerToe> anyone with a crush on ann coulter for instance
14:54 < TeeTylerToe> zing!
14:54 < Qcoder02> HUh?
14:55 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder02: Allison de Fren?
14:55  * Qcoder02 has to look her up
14:55 < TeeTylerToe> does that proposal really solve a problem with the FA process?
14:55 < Dcoetzee> She made a documentary short on ASFR.
14:55 < Qcoder02> OH OK
14:55 < Qcoder02> ;)
14:55 < Qcoder02> How about an expert on 1940 Ford Sedans?
14:56 < Qcoder02> ;)
14:56 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: Not really, it's an improvement (to assist in further improving the article) rather than a reform.
14:56 < Stove> Guys, in what channel do the recent changes appear?
14:56 < TeeTylerToe> thereare millions of those
14:56 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: Indeed. And some are worthwhile, while others are excessively burdensome.
14:56 < SoapX> recent changes is too fast to be on IRC
14:57 < Stove> <Krenair> irc.wikimedia.org #en.wikipedia
14:57  * Qcoder02 wonders what is more worrying... that there are subject experts on robot fetish, or that Scoetzee knows how they are :)
14:57 < SoapX> there is technically a channel
14:57 < SoapX> yeah, that
14:57 < SoapX> but it's basically for bots
14:57 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder02: I looked up the article :-)
14:57 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder02: If an article exists and has RSs, generally somebody wrote those who knows something about the area.
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14:57 < ChrisGualtieri> Making it a requirement is different from suggesting the support >.> But some of the opposes seem weak
14:57 < Qcoder02> OK OK How many credible expert do you know on the inner workings of the Church of Emacs ? :)
14:58 < TeeTylerToe> is that an article that should be featured?
14:58 < Stove> Wow, that's fast.
14:58 < Qcoder02> it could be :)
14:58 < Qcoder02> But in general 'subject experts' I've met don't work for free
14:59 < ChrisGualtieri> Main page ones should at least be reviewed by someone knowledgable at all possible, FA guidelines are stricter than GA. Have we ever had a hoax get a GA?
14:59 < Qcoder02> For 'reviewing' subject experts expect to get something...
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14:59 < SoapX> an article about a hoax? Definitely
14:59 < Qcoder02> It tends to be worse for some subject areas like engineering...
14:59 < SoapX> an article that itself is a hoax? I hope not
14:59 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder02: If they don't that's okay... it's still eligible for FA. I for one know many subject experts who would be happy to review a short article, recognising the importance of Wikipedia as a broadly available popular resource.
15:00 < Dcoetzee> It's kind of the public face of their field.
15:00 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:  Well...
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15:00 < Qcoder02> For law stuff, I'd probably treat some editors as being subject experts already
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15:01 < Dcoetzee> However it's irrelevant as my proposal will not pass :-) Because people see the word "expert" and their brains turn off.
15:01 < Qcoder02> I mean Ironholds  wrote a large number of the FA  English law articles
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15:01 < Qcoder02> The are other users that probably know as much crypto as an NSA operative ;)
15:01 < Dcoetzee> Yeah someone raised that point... I think in such a case it's still useful to request review by another law professional who didn't contribute to the article.
15:01 < Dcoetzee> A second opinion.
15:01 < Dcoetzee> Most professionals already have connections with other professionals, so why not?
15:02 < Qcoder02> Well in areas like Law and Medcine a professional review  might be good practice anyway
15:02 < Dcoetzee> They might just say "looks good" but that's still helpful.
15:02 < Qcoder02> I mean no-one expects a notmal person to understand the complexties of the California State Narcotics Act ... ;)
15:03 < Qcoder02> Even if they have head  Friday's expostions on it ;)
15:03 < Qcoder02> *heard
15:04 < Dcoetzee> I mean seriously, half the people responding did not even read my proposal. And it's like one paragraph.
15:04 < Dcoetzee> It's like "expert" -> "oppose" :-/
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15:05 < Dcoetzee> I think I'll have to find an entirely different tactic for encouraging more feedback from scholars :-P
15:05 < Dcoetzee> Something more subversive.
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15:06 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:  On the subject of 'fetish' matters... Findiing some state level shrinks might be reasonable ;)
15:07 < Dcoetzee> Heh that too, although I'm convinced few psychs have any amount of scholarly experience with robot fetishism.
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15:08 < TeeTylerToe> psychologists can't even figure out what the fantasies more than half of women have where a strong powerful man is overcome by their looks
15:08 < TeeTylerToe> mean
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15:08 < Dcoetzee> Rape fantasy is kind of intuitive. Power exchange is a big part of the dynamic of sex.
15:08 < TeeTylerToe> it's not a rape fantasy
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15:09 < TeeTylerToe> it's great sex they don't feel guilty about because of western sexual repression
15:09 < Jarry1250> Stove: Ah you sure you want the full list of recent changes? It's a very high-traffic channel.
15:09 < Jarry1250> Oh, sorry, was scrolled up there
15:09 < Jarry1250> Ignore me :P
15:09 < Stove> That's ok Jarry1250.
15:09 < Stove> Thanks anyway.
15:10 < Stove> I lurked there for a couple of minutes, not one topic I know anything about.
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15:10 < Dcoetzee> The psych establishment is kind of hit and miss. On one hand they're very knowledgeable about common disorders like depression and phobias. On the other hand they're prone to overdiagnosis and turning ordinary human variation that have no adverse effect on life into diseases requiring spurious treatments.
15:11 < Dcoetzee> In the 50s it was homosexuality, in the present it's Aspergers and DID, among other things.
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15:11 < mysterytrey> So what was the channel, anyway?
15:11 < TeeTylerToe> overprescription of ADD meds and anti-depressants
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15:13 < Stove> mysterytrey <Krenair> irc.wikimedia.org #en.wikipedia
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15:13 < mysterytrey> oh.
15:14 < mysterytrey> I tried wikipedia.en  That explains why it was empty.
15:14 < mysterytrey> Invite only?
15:14 < Stove> It's a different server.
15:14 < Stove> Anyone can join.
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15:16 < Dcoetzee> I honestly don't find the Recent Changes feed that useful, except for showing off to people "Look how fast people are editing Wikipedia!"
15:16 < Soapy> its mostly used by bots that read it and filter it
15:17 < Dcoetzee> Ahh I see
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15:17 < Dcoetzee> I'm surprised there's not a more official service providing that...
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15:19 < BlastHardcheese> it's run by the foundation on foundation servers, about as official as it gets
15:19 < Dcoetzee> Okay I guess that's true.
15:20 < Dcoetzee> But why IRC? Is there really no more appropriate protocol for such a live feed thing?
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15:20 < Krenair> It sucks
15:20 < BlastHardcheese> what protocol would you use
15:20 < Krenair> I think there were proposals to fix it at some point
15:20 < Dcoetzee> I'd propose a raw TCP service providing a continuous XML stream.
15:21 < Dcoetzee> One edit per line, nice and machine readable.
15:21 < Stove> That would be the windows way. And it's alright, but they'd probably go with JSON.
15:21 < Dcoetzee> JSON is fine, whatever :-P
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15:21 < Dcoetzee> Or maybe you issue a request when you connect and you get to pick.
15:21 < Stove> I lean towards XML myself though.
15:22 < Stove> yeah, some filtering would be nice
15:22 < Soapy> supposedly JSON is less bloated than XML
15:22 < Krenair> Why XML?
15:22 < Stove> But I'd like it to filter on catogories, like, engineering stuff only, but as far as I know there are no such categories.
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15:23 < BlastHardcheese> because Web 2.0™
15:23 < Soapy> that would basically be a watchlist
15:23 < Krenair> ಠ_ಠ
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15:24 < TeeTylerToe> xml isn't windows specific
15:24 < Stove> XML in it's bare form is alright, but as soon as they start adding namespaces and lots of options and xds and stuff, it becomes bloated and not human readable.
15:25 < Goldy> Krenair: Like that emoticon: ಠ_ಠ! Cool! :)
15:25 < Krenair> http://lookofdisapproval.info/
15:25 < Dcoetzee> Stove: It's not supposed to be human readable.
15:25 < Soapy> lol
15:26 < Stove> Yes it is...
15:26 < Dcoetzee> You want human readable, you add a client in front of it that prints it all nice.
15:26 < Soapy>  a whole website just for ಠ_ಠ
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15:26 < TeeTylerToe> and .docx became office open xml overnight, then microsoft packed the ISO committees with companies they paid to register with the committee and bought the vote
15:26 < Dcoetzee> Stove: I'm not talking about the IRC stream
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15:26 < Stove> Everything needs to be human readable, for debugging.
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15:26 < TeeTylerToe> you could have a program that interprets it for debugging
15:27 < Stove> Extensible Markup Language (XML) is a markup language that defines a set of rules for encoding documents in a format that is both human-readable and machine-readable. It is defined in the XML 1.0 Specification[4] produced by the W3C, and several other related specifications,[5] all gratis open standards.[6]
15:27 < Dcoetzee> You write a debugging utility.
15:27 < Stove> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML
15:27 < Dcoetzee> Stove: To clarify XML is supposed to be human readable but we all know that's a lie :-P
15:27 < Stove> In simple forms it's perfectly readable.
15:27 < Stove> More so than SOAP.
15:27 < Soapy> heh
15:28 < Stove> But they're adding all sorts of things which bloat it.
15:28 < Soapy> i was wondering if someone was going to mention SOAP sooner or later
15:28 < Stove> ERRR
15:28 < Stove> I meant JSON
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15:28 < Stove> SOAP is an example of how unreadable XML can become.
15:28 < Dcoetzee> Well there's always a tension between simplicity of the language and the complexity of what it can express.
15:29 < Krenair> Quite honestly plain XML would be fine for MediaWiki
15:29 < Dcoetzee> Yeah for a Recent Changes feed a super simple XML schema would be quite sufficient.
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15:29 < Krenair> But I'd prefer JSON for the feed
15:29 < Dcoetzee> Really though, might as well just have the person issuing the request say what they want. Everybody has different programming frameworks, and they work with different data.
15:30 < Andeye> So you are seriously suggesting to skip the IRC feed in order to replace it with a TCP feed in xml, writing debbuging tools and client programs to parse the feed into a more human readable format instead of the perfeclty human readable feed that currently exists? Just curious :)
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15:30 < Krenair> Andeye, only debugging tool you'd need to check the feed itself would be telnet
15:30 < Dcoetzee> Andeye: Am I proposing replacing the human readable feed that is primarily parsed and used by machine with one that's written for machines in the first place? Yes
15:30 < Dcoetzee> Moreover, the IRC feed itself could continue to exist and be built on top of the TCP feed.
15:31 < Dcoetzee> Except it'd be just for people.
15:31 < TeeTylerToe> couldn't you make it rss?
15:31 < Krenair> The feed itself should be readable by machines easily at least, which can then prettify it and show it to a user
15:31 < Dcoetzee> So they wouldn't have to worry about changing format, etc. anymore
15:31 < Krenair> TeeTylerToe, RSS is not a live feed really
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15:31 < Andeye> okay, i see :)
15:32 < Dcoetzee> :-)
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15:34 < Stove> Well, I dunno, the IRC has a link, and all the data is on that page really. How much data would you include in the XML feed?
15:34 < Stove> The bots would have to visit the link anyways.
15:34 < Stove> Unless you add all changed lines and stuff in the live feed.
15:35 < Krenair> The current implementation just sends each change through UDP to a server to be broadcast.
15:35 < Krenair> All that'd need to be changed would be the text. Moving out of IRC would be done separately if done at all
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15:36 < BarkingFish> doesn't it annoy you when you spot someone you think is a sock, and you can't remember who the hell you think they're a sock of? :P
15:38 < Soapy> thath's happened to me a couple of times
15:38 < BlastHardcheese> sock of jimbo obviously
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15:38 < Dcoetzee> Aren't we all just socks of Jimbo?
15:39 < Dcoetzee> All talking on IRC with his many open IRC client instances.
15:39 < Soapy> maybe if you just revert their edits with an edit summary like "reverting edits by sockpuppet" someone'll figure it out
15:39 < Soapy> or, send them to SPI with a guess and then if it's someone else theyll figure it out
15:39 < Soapy> or ,juust ask on IRC. how serious of a chance is it that hteyre actually a sock?
15:39 < BarkingFish> I'm seeing this dude, User:Im_a_mob_guy - about 10 days back, there was another dude creating shedloads of mafia/cosa nostra capo & related articles, and they were getting speedied to death too.
15:40 < Soapy> ok
15:40 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Is he recreated any deleted articles?
15:40 < BarkingFish> i can't remember who the hell it was.
15:40 < Dcoetzee> If so I can check their deleted edits.
15:40 < BarkingFish> and yes, I think I can see at least 1 that's been speedied again, Dcoetzee
15:40 < Soapy> yweah he looks pretty sockish
15:40 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Linky?
15:40 < Soapy> 61 edits in his first day
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15:41 < BarkingFish> http://enwp.org/Joseph Ciancaglini Jr.
15:41 < BarkingFish> oops
15:41 < BarkingFish> http://enwp.org/Joseph_Ciancaglini_Jr.
15:41 < Dcoetzee> Created by User:Im a mob guy
15:41 < Dcoetzee> No other editors.
15:41 < Soapy> no obvious sockmasters yet
15:41 < BarkingFish> hm... if only I could remember who the hell this other guy was...
15:42 < BarkingFish> fuck. I hate my brain.
15:42 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: I'll investigate briefly...
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15:42 < Soapy> BarkingFish: do you remember if he was ever placed on ANI?
15:42 < BarkingFish> if you can't find him, it means me going back through 10 days worth of RC
15:42 < BarkingFish> I don't know, Soapy
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15:42 < BarkingFish> all I know is I saw a lot of him in NPP
15:43 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/King_Genovese
15:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee do you play skyrim?
15:43 < Soapy> maybe him ?
15:43 < Soapy> he was blocked fairly recently
15:43 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: I haven't bought it but watched a lot of Let's Plays
15:43 < Dcoetzee> Looks awesome
15:43 < Soapy> and was editing mafia articles
15:44 < BarkingFish> yeah, that's a while back, Soapy - it's possible
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15:44 < BarkingFish> but I need to know who this other person was too... might get two birds, one housebrick, etc
15:44 < Dcoetzee> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philip_Mangano&diff=506604587&oldid=478996057 Ummm whitewashing or what?
15:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee
15:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsnRQJxanVM
15:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I just found this
15:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I find the game overal amazing
15:44 < Soapy> well King Genovese has already got a few confirmed socks so my guess is that the person you saw is one of those
15:45 < Soapy> or it's a coincidence
15:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I care more about story in a game
15:45 < Steven_Zhang> OMG
15:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and simply I am in awe despite nowhere near completing it
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15:45 < Steven_Zhang> I found $50 in an old pair of jeans!
15:45 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: I've heard its scale is immense. The graphics are incredible obviously.
15:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I play it with my active shutter glasses
15:46 < Dcoetzee> Steven_Zhang: Sweet! That's enough to buy a new pair of jeans!
15:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that video is the song on the title screen
15:46 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Nuts
15:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I bought a monitor that supports it
15:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I get 60 hz on left 60hz on right ete
15:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *eye
15:47 < Steven_Zhang> Dcoetzee: :P
15:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so its very good quality 3d
15:47 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Lots of depth? How is the angle independence?
15:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> game itself is awesome and I use a few mods that fixes some bugs and etc
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15:47 < ChrisGualtieri> The skyrim song as I hear it in english is hilarious
15:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee what happens is your view in the game is projected on the screen one for each eye
15:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> perspective of the left and right eye is different
15:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri the song is in dragon language
15:48 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'm familiar :-)
15:48 < ChrisGualtieri> 3d Skyrim with voice commands and kinect = Warrior of Skyrim!
15:48 < ChrisGualtieri> ToAruShiroiNeko: You clearly don't get the joke
15:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I play on PC
15:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri no I get it
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15:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but I cannot shake the shock I had today discovering they actually came up with a language for the game
15:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I demand a dragon language wikipedia now
15:49 < ChrisGualtieri> I don't want to get banned for spouting a bunch of memes and some cursing, but I love the lyrics
15:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri what is amazing is thats JUST the title soundtrack
15:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you know, on the first menu
15:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TBH such a waste
15:50 < Dcoetzee> ChrisGualtieri: Those memes used to be funny, but then they took an arrow to the knee
15:50 < ChrisGualtieri> Dcoetzee: That one is a little tired, but the chicken gag or child beating one is still funny
15:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I used to be an IRCer like you but then I had taken a meme to the knee
15:51 < ChrisGualtieri> Beat a kid, no bounty, take an apple and die!
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15:51 < Dcoetzee> Heh
15:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri I like to rob an entire town and they dont realize the problem
15:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 100 pickpocket so I steal the clothes and armor they are wearing too
15:51 < ChrisGualtieri> With maxed out everything I basically soared through the game XD
15:51 < Dcoetzee> I'm seriously worried about this Im a mob guy and his glorification of Mafia people
15:52 < ChrisGualtieri> You block him and you wind up in the lake kind?
15:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mafia people have the glory of a seat cussion
15:52 < ChrisGualtieri> Or the 'Is he serious?' worried.
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15:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I would recomend the game, moreso with active shutter system
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15:53 < TeeTylerToe> it really glorifies dragon killing
15:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe not really
15:53 < Dcoetzee> ChrisGualtieri: More the "this guy gonna get banned for POV editing" kinda worried
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15:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Ah, that's compassionate.
15:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not to spoil it but not all dragons are hostile
15:54 < Gold2468|BRB> Hey, I GTG! Bye! :(
15:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am worried that Dcoetzee is worried :p
15:54 < Dcoetzee> Gold2468|BRB: Take care!
15:54 < BarkingFish> i'm not having much luck, I'm going through the category "American mob bosses", but not scoring anything.  :(
15:54  * BarkingFish is disappoint
15:55 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Problem is they probs got deleted.
15:55 < Dcoetzee> No way to find deleted articles in a category!
15:55 < BarkingFish> not all of them did, i think
15:55 < BarkingFish> I know a fair few did though, he had about 10 or more speedy notices on his talk page
15:55 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Did you make any edits to his pages?
15:56 < BarkingFish> no
15:56 < Dcoetzee> Or his talk page?
15:56 < Dcoetzee> Hmm
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15:56 < BarkingFish> i think the most i did was mark one as patrolled
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15:57 < Dcoetzee> Check out his life story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Giuseppe_Battista_Balsamo "I loved Mafia since I was a child and my family had some strong connections to, I usually know things about the real inside of the Mob but I dont really know Sicilans very well like Giuseppe, I find he was a major figure in the Brooklyn criminal underworld."
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15:57 < Dcoetzee> That deletion discussion also links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:King_Genovese
15:57 < Dcoetzee> Who may be your sockmaster.
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15:58 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: ping
15:58 < BarkingFish> boing
15:58 < Dcoetzee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:King_Genovese
15:58 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, he most likely is
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15:59 < BarkingFish> the thing is, it was another username, not the one i found tonight or that one, or the others listed...
15:59 < Dcoetzee> Hmmm an undiscovered sock?
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15:59 < ChrisGualtieri> How about rather than be heavy handed, warn him (personally) and instruct him
16:00 < BarkingFish> yeah
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16:00 < ChrisGualtieri> We need more Mafia related articles with RELIABLE sources
16:00 < BarkingFish> how about catching the socks out there while they're socking, ChrisGualtieri? :)
16:00 < ChrisGualtieri> I know there are legitimate socks and bad socks
16:00 < BarkingFish> we do need more rs mafia articles, we also need them made by users who aren't circumventing blocks to keep editing :)
16:00 < Dcoetzee> "I oppose this idea. Experts should be encouraged to become regular contributors by making Wikipedia a more welcoming environment for them as regular editors." ...really?
16:01 < ChrisGualtieri> If its circumventing a block, the block should be imposed and the talk page be opened to discussion for constructive purposes
16:01 < WilliamH_UK> a sock? where
16:01 < ChrisGualtieri> A lot of editors get blocked for dumb stuff, I can't even fix typos without someone threatening me with ANI >.>
16:02 < BarkingFish> possible socks, WilliamH_UK - at least one, i'm trying to remember the name of the other one
16:02 < WilliamH_UK> where are they congregating?
16:02 < BarkingFish> I'm looking at User:Im_a_mob_guy , WilliamH_UK
16:02 < BarkingFish> targeting and making articles on mafia peeps, WilliamH_UK
16:02 < ChrisGualtieri> If its a legit block and he's circumventing, then yeah, smack with a trout, impose block and let him know the rules in a personal manner.
16:03 < ChrisGualtieri> Ignorance I think is the main problem with most new editors, they see policies only after its too late, or they don't make the effort
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16:05 < WilliamH_UK> and does that relate to a deletion discussion?
16:07 < TeeTylerToe> Some admins are judge dredd types
16:07 < BarkingFish> It relates to a sockmaster with confirmed socks who's worked on mafia issues, WilliamH_UK  - one on King Genovese
16:08 < TeeTylerToe> more account needs to be made for the humanity and bias of Admins
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16:08 < TeeTylerToe> they're not machines
16:08 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish look at the  history of the target article
16:08 < WilliamH_UK> there might be some socks there
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16:09 < BarkingFish> there may be, WilliamH_UK - the one I'm trying to remember turned up in NPP about 10 days ago, I can't remember the username though, and I ain't trolling back through RC or NPP to find it :)
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16:10 < BarkingFish> I think the first part of his username was something like Silviano or Silvio or something weird assed like that
16:11 < BarkingFish> Salvino possibly... like i said, i hate my brain
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16:11 < The_Thing> http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/08/10/2217238/beware-the-nocebo-effect
16:12 < The_Thing> "In one remarkable case, a participant in an antidepressant drug trial was given placebo tablets — and then swallowed 26 of them in a suicide attempt. Even though the tablets were harmless, the participant's blood pressure dropped perilously low."  O_O
16:12 < WilliamH_UK> heh
16:12 < WilliamH_UK> the power of placebo
16:13 < TeeTylerToe> would people in a drug trial for a drug with no listed side-effects on the placebo quit the trial because of migranes or whatever?
16:14 < russavia> no teetylertoe i would demand that they start giving me drugs with proven side effects
16:14 < Soapy> hi Thing
16:14 < Dcoetzee> The_Thing: That's amazing :-S
16:15 < russavia> and particularly drugs which  cause euphoria, delirium, hallucinations, and muntedness
16:16 < TeeTylerToe> muntedness?
16:16 < russavia> well muntedness is more a state of mind
16:16 < russavia> but it's a great state of mind to be in
16:17 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish I will CheckUser
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16:17 < BarkingFish> thanks
16:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee sure
16:18 < russavia> i love nothing more than going on a kick-arse bender and after about 5-6 days ending up at the casino, and being asked to leave because one is so munted
16:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko>  mafia is a community after all
16:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they just are dicks to everyone outside of the family
16:19 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish {{confirmed}}, I will block
16:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well they operate at the expense of everyone outside of the family
16:19 < TeeTylerToe> sounds like just about any community of privlege
16:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia did you see my pm?
16:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe not really
16:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no other community even 1% actively does what mafia does
16:19 < WilliamH_UK> blocked
16:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yay
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16:20 < Dcoetzee> The main issue with the Mafia is, you know, the fact that they terrorise the city and make people live in fear of them.
16:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> isnt that {{indefbolocked}} ~~~~
16:20 < TeeTylerToe> a lot of groups do that
16:20 < Dcoetzee> Also the murder, theft, drug running, forced prostititution...
16:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee that and they shoot people.
16:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee extorsion, human trafficking
16:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> bribary
16:20 < Dcoetzee> Yeah
16:21 < BarkingFish> WilliamH_UK, excellent. Thank you :)
16:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and most importantly, severed head transportation
16:21 < WilliamH_UK> blocked the range too
16:21 < TeeTylerToe> the plutocrats under russian and chinese communism
16:21 < BarkingFish> Spot'em like a ninja, i can :)
16:21 < WilliamH_UK> yep well done
16:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *and most importantly, severed horse head transportation
16:21 < WilliamH_UK> can any of his creations be speedied?
16:22 < TeeTylerToe> the rape of nanking
16:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee you know what the government has with mafia most
16:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tax evasion
16:22 < TeeTylerToe> the spanish inquisition
16:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe ewww
16:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont bring nanking and actual disputes here
16:22 < TeeTylerToe> ?
16:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nanking is terrible
16:23 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'm pretty sure underground criminals have learned their lesson since Al Capone. :-P
16:23 < TeeTylerToe> russian communism wasn't a walk in the park either
16:23 < Dcoetzee> Better not to attract the Fed's attention
16:23 < TeeTylerToe> now they use banks like barkleys
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16:24 < BarkingFish> I'm just going to join again, need to check something :)
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16:24 < Soapy> wb
16:25 < TeeTylerToe> power corrupts
16:25 < The_Thing> Writing from his extensive experience of treating cancer (including more than 1,000 melanoma cases) at Sydney Hospital, Milton (1973) warned of the impact of the delivery of a prognosis, and how many of his patients, upon receiving their prognosis, simply turned their face to the wall and died an extremely premature death: "... there is a small group of patients in whom the realisation of impending death is a blow so terribl
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16:26 < WilliamH_UK> :(
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16:29 < ChrisGualtieri> Does linking to someone's Linked In profile qualify for oversight?
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16:30 < Fluffernutter> usually, Chris_G
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16:30 < Fluffernutter> er, ChrisGualtieri
16:30 < ChrisGualtieri> XD
16:30 < ChrisGualtieri> Is one oversighter on?
16:30 < The_Thing> XD
16:31  * The_Thing waves to Chris_G anyways, because he can :p
16:31 < Fluffernutter> i'm on, but i'm about to go eat dinner
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16:31 < The_Thing> Wait, what?
16:31 < ChrisGualtieri> I'll just PM you when you get back then
16:31 < The_Thing> Fluffernutter is an oversighter!?
16:31 < Fluffernutter> ChrisGualtieri, you can pm it to me now
16:31 < Fluffernutter> The_Thing, yes?
16:31 < Soapy> there was an election recently, the_THing
16:31 < The_Thing> When the hell did that happen?
16:31 < The_Thing> ah
16:31 < The_Thing> Who else was elected?
16:31 < WilliamH_UK> october 2011
16:32 < WilliamH_UK> me
16:32 < WilliamH_UK> courcelles
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16:32 < WilliamH_UK> er
16:32 < Soapy> eh, I thought it was the July 2012 election
16:32 < WilliamH_UK> nah
16:32 < Soapy> guess not
16:32 < Soapy> well there was another one last month
16:33 < WilliamH_UK> yup
16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee but how would you submit your taxes
16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whats the tax rate of extortion?
16:35 < The_Thing> q q  qq qqq qq q q q qq
16:36 < BarkingFish> The_Thing, that's all we do all day. Queue :)
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16:36 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Technically the IRS has rates on all these things.
16:36 < Dcoetzee> That's the amazing thing about the IRS.
16:37 < Dcoetzee> They'll be like "you robbed a bank... okay... we'll charge 15% on that"
16:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee hmm
16:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I wonder how much will they tax the bailout itself
16:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 15% of that is good money
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16:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee IRS is a strange organization
16:43 < Stove> Did you know the IRS allows a one time gift to your spouse of up to 60 000USD?
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16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> since I dont do spouses
16:44 < Demiurge1000> Hmm, my G'N'R CD is about ten times louder than my CD by The Cult. I just probably woke up anyone asleep within a three mile radius.
16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Demiurge1000 so we should expect vandalism on wikipedia for those articles
16:44 < Demiurge1000> just the G'N'R one
16:45 < Stove> (It's a quote from The Shawshank Redemption.
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16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there should be laws against music that is not properly normalised
16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can IRS tax loud music?
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16:46 < Stove> Not to audiophiles, because that's a metal health related cost.
16:47 < BarkingFish> ok - one other thing i need to look at then , WilliamH_UK  - since i managed to spot the last one.... is there any way to search the user list for usernames containing a particular string?
16:47 < BarkingFish> i'm sure this other guy had the word mob or mafia or similar in his username...
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16:55 < Soapy> yes
16:55 < Soapy> http://toolserver.org/~pathoschild/gusersearch/?name=&limit=250&offset=50 , BarkingFish
16:55 < Soapy> but its slow
16:55 < BarkingFish> brilliant :) Cheers
16:55 < Soapy> it's gonna search all 300,000,000 users
16:56 < BarkingFish> slow or not, I'm determined to nail this little sob to the nearest gatepost
16:56 < BarkingFish> :P
16:56 < ChrisGualtieri> You are still looking into it?
16:57 < BarkingFish> you freaking bet I am. I caught one, I'm not missing the other creep either :)
16:57 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish good luck
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16:57 < WilliamH_UK> PM me if you find one
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16:57 < BarkingFish> going back through NPP from 10 days ago and prior, searching using the find function in Firefox for the words mob, mafia, cosa or crime
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17:00 < Isarra> What font is the wikipedia logo?
17:01 < BarkingFish> Linux Libertine O Isarra i think
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17:01 < Isarra> It's not that, unless it was heavily modified.
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17:02 < BarkingFish> It is, trust me. I had it here when I was trying to create the new design for the Tok Pisin Wikipedia logo v2
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17:03 < TeeTylerToe> comic sans?
17:03 < BarkingFish> WilliamH_UK, got at least one, I may have missed - it's not the one I was thinking of, but could you please check out User:Brucewayneent?
17:03 < Macriz> oh god, not comic sans.
17:03 < Macriz> as a designer, i LOATHE that font.
17:04 < BarkingFish> Seems to be another one involved in mafia articles, I have an unpatrolled entry from July 12th
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17:05 < Dragonfly6-7> tonight's Poorly Chosen Filename is:
17:05 < Dragonfly6-7> [[file:Kaka.JPG]]
17:06 < Dragonfly6-7> without looking, what do you think that is?
17:06 < Macriz> a cat?
17:06 < BarkingFish> sounds suspiciously like a pile of shit, Dragonfly6-7 :P
17:06 < harej|onVacation> Ralph Nader?
17:07 < Macriz> Sarah Palin in a g-string?
17:07 < BarkingFish> Just to let you know, WilliamH_UK - I'm screwed, I can't go back any further than 30 days... I'm obviously missing something.
17:07 < Isarra> BarkingFish: The K is wrong, the E is wrong, the D is wrong, the A is wrong, and the Vs are wrong.
17:07 < Dragonfly6-7> BarkingFish - it's a tiny kitten grooming herself.
17:07 < Isarra> The Is are right, though.
17:07 < BarkingFish> 0.o
17:07 < WilliamH_UK> heh BarkingFish @ kaka comment
17:07 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish stick it in a PM
17:07 < BarkingFish> Isarra, I'm positive of what it is, I was directed to it when I was building the logo :)
17:08 < Isarra> Well, I just checked and it ain't it.
17:08 < Isarra> It may have been based on it, though.
17:10 < BarkingFish> Isarra, http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks/Word_mark_creation#The_type_face:_Linux_Libertine
17:10 < BarkingFish> Read
17:11 < BarkingFish> Download the font-file File:LinLibertineO 473.zip (you will need to unzip and install the font)
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17:11 < Isarra> Oh, I tried that. Font was malformed.
17:11 < BarkingFish> WilliamH_UK, I just posted it to you above :)
17:11 < BarkingFish> Well that's the official doodad we use
17:11 < WilliamH_UK> posted what
17:12 < BarkingFish> if the font is malformed, you've probably not installed the right version
17:12 < WilliamH_UK> sorry BarkingFish am doing quite a few things at once
17:12 < Isarra> I'm not competent enough to unmalform it, though.
17:12 < BarkingFish> WilliamH_UK, the username of the poss. sock
17:12 < WilliamH_UK> PM it, i can't keep track of this while doing lots at once
17:12 < BarkingFish> ok
17:12 < Isarra> The problem is it ain't linux libertine. Trying to install it when you already have linux libertine results in a conflict.
17:13 < BarkingFish> it shouldn't.
17:13 < BarkingFish> have you installed the right version?
17:14 < BarkingFish> there is one in the zip file - LinLibertine_Re-4.7.3.otf - which was modded specifically for the WMF
17:14 < Isarra> They probably forgot to update the metadata.
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17:18 < Dragonfly6-7> I have a page bookmarked on toolserv -- it's created by someone called "Nikola"
17:18 < Dragonfly6-7> anyone konw who that is?
17:18 < ChrisGualtieri> Gah my AWB crashed x-x
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17:21 < Dragonfly6-7> isn't there a toolserv channel?
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17:25 < Nascar1996> um.
17:26 < BarkingFish> Dragonfly6-7, yeah, #wikimedia-toolserver
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17:28 < Dragonfly6-7> Found it, thanks
17:29 < BarkingFish> np
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17:33 < SigmaWP> Stupid peers
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17:34 < Guerillero> would someone be willing to NPOV check an article / work out my its and it's
17:34 < Guerillero> please
17:34 < Guerillero> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lendink
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17:36 < BarkingFish> Do we have any file renamers on here please? :)
17:36 < Guerillero> yes
17:36 < BarkingFish> I just realized I've made a mistake in a file i uploaded, it needs renaming to make it accurate :)
17:37 < BarkingFish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Little_Boy_Lost_-_Bondi_Beach_2009_-_Paul_Trefry.jpg  needs to be renamed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Little_Boy_Lost_-_Tamarama_Beach_2009_-_Paul_Trefry.jpg
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17:37 < BarkingFish> it wasn't on Bondi :P
17:37 -!- Courcelles_ is now known as Courcelles
17:37 < Guerillero> done
17:37 < BarkingFish> thanks :)
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17:38 < Guerillero> should I have left a redirect?
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17:39 < Soapy> Guerillero: done
17:39 < SigmaWP> Never leave file redirects
17:40 < BarkingFish> no, that's fine - nothing else links to that name :)
17:40 < Guerillero> thank you soapy
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17:47  * Isarra huggles Guerillero.
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17:49 < Guerillero> how are you today
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17:50 < Isarra> I'm insane.
17:50 < Isarra> Are you mad?
17:51 < Guerillero> just a touch
17:51 < BarkingFish> of course. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't :)
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17:51  * Isarra emits an aura of catnip.
17:52 < BarkingFish> by the way, my owl is in the green. can you microwave it for 20 flipflops before I come back with the pickled hatstand?
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17:52  * Isarra bakes BarkingFish.
17:52 < BarkingFish> no need, i'm already there :)
17:53 < BarkingFish> if i was anymore baked i'd need eggwash and 20 minutes on a cooling rack
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17:56 < BarkingFish> can someone check this out please - it's suspected as a cut and paste move, or a recreation... I can't see if it's been deleted previously or not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddybears_(TV_series)
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17:56 < Guerillero> not under that name
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17:57 < BarkingFish> it's a real programme, that much I know - found it on youtube :)  it smelt like a hoax when i first saw it.
17:57 < kylu> BarkingFish: check [[Wizardora]] and (according to Yahoo, posted 4 years ago http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080408084642AAU0FGT
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17:58 < BarkingFish> very very poorly written though, and unsourced.
17:58 < kylu> googled the phrase "The series was made for Meridian Broadcasting by production companies Workhouse and North Pole Productions at The Fountain Studios in New Malden and directed by David Crozier."
17:58 < Soapy> Created page with '{{cleanup|date=April 2012}} < ---- always a red flag
17:58 < rugvm> !ops BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS EVERYWHERE!
17:58 < kylu> rugvm: yet, no shit.
17:58 < SigmaWP> lol kylu
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17:59 < rugvm> !ops BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS EVERYWHERE!
17:59 < rugvm> !ops BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS EVERYWHERE!
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17:59 < BarkingFish> evening derp. Nice of you to grace us with your bullshit.
17:59 < Guerillero> lol
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17:59 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@cpe-71-72-126-56.insight.res.rr.com] by DeltaQuad
17:59 < kylu> no bullshit, just butts, zomg reading issues.
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17:59 < Soapy> BarkingFish: he may have just copied it from some other article that already had a cleanup tag on it
18:00 < Soapy> Id focus on whether Teddybears even exists
18:00 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@71.72.126.56] by WilliamH_UK
18:00 < kylu> Soapy: mmm, but when was that phrase added to both articles?
18:00 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o WilliamH_UK] by ChanServ
18:00 < BarkingFish> Soapy, <BarkingFish>it's a real programme, that much I know - found it on youtube :)  it smelt like a hoax when i first saw it.
18:00 <@DeltaQuad> WilliamH_UK: redundant much?
18:00 < kylu> if they're less than four years old, they're copyvio from yahoo
18:00 < BarkingFish> Soapy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viUXqWSBeDg
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18:00 < Soapy> ok
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18:01 < WilliamH_UK> errrr totally didnt see it
18:01 < WilliamH_UK> hahaha
18:01 < BarkingFish> +r anyone?
18:01 < xthtjws> DeltaQuad can lick my scrotum.
18:01 < BarkingFish> Here's another one.
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18:01 < xthtjws> DeltaQuad can lick my scrotum.
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18:01 <@DeltaQuad> no thanks
18:01 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+r] by DeltaQuad
18:01 < kylu> s'pose it was nice enough to offer, anyway. c.c
18:02 < Soapy> "oohoohoohhohh ... it's getting darker and darker ... i think you'd better take your umber-ella"
18:02 < Soapy> really reminds me of teletubbies
18:02 < Dusti> BUTTS
18:02 < Dusti> Sorry
18:02 < Dusti> Wanted to join in
18:02 < Dusti> on the butt talk
18:03 < Earwig> who wouldn't?
18:03 < kylu> There was a show I saw on CBC forever ago... can't recall what it was called. hm.
18:03 < BarkingFish> It is a copypaste move, Soapy - one of the cleanup tags goes wayback to 2007
18:03 < Soapy> interesting link, BarkingFish
18:03 < kylu> oh, Candle Cove.
18:03 < BarkingFish> no idea who the fuck has been harboring it that long
18:04 < Soapy> BarkingFish: it could still be legit, though
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18:04 < BarkingFish> it's real, alright - completely legit, just written very very poorly
18:04 < Soapy> if he only copypasted the tags and infoboxes, but the content was new .... that would be an unusual way to make an article, but not impossible
18:04 < kylu> never did find a wikipedia entry for it... probably too obscure a kid's show. c.c
18:04  * kylu only saw reruns, though... 1975 maybe.
18:05 < Soapy> "ooh the sky just seems to be getting darker and darker : ("
18:05 < BarkingFish> kylu, I may be able to help you with that. Can you remember *anything* at all about the series.  What featured in it, storylines, anything specific about characters...
18:06 < Soapy> "storeholders going home?  Storeholders! Going home! Storeholders! Going home! ehehehehahahaha"
18:06 < BarkingFish> Don't ask me, Soapy - I never saw it.
18:06 < BarkingFish> All I know is that video has put me off it from the word go
18:06 < Soapy> ha
18:06 < BarkingFish> Clearly and obviously shite to the nth degree
18:06 < kylu> BarkingFish: oh, kinda... it had something to do with a little girl, Janet or something, who would visit these creepy puppet pirates
18:06 < Soapy> i could totally see myself watching that obsessively when I was a kid
18:06 < kylu> they had a ship called the "Laughingstock" iirc.
18:07 < kylu> and there was a Captain Hook rip-off for a bad guy, and a puppet that (and yes, it's morbid) wore skins from bad children
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18:08 < BarkingFish> kylu, that was Candle Cove
18:08 < kylu> Yeah!
18:08 < kylu> insane show.
18:08 < kylu> they had it on right after Tomorrow People
18:08 < BarkingFish> http://candlecove.wikia.com/wiki/Candle_Cove_%28Program%29
18:08 < kylu> teenagers who had these weird watch things that would let them teleport around, and they were all telepathic and stuff
18:09 < kylu> ...it's got its own wiki, but no wp entry. o.O;
18:09 < Soapy> make one now !!!
18:10 < kylu> http://candlecove.wikia.com/wiki/Innovation <- wat o.o;
18:11 < kylu> so, apparently the show really was just as weird as I recall.
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18:18 < Soapy> hey look
18:18 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Teddybears_CITV
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18:18 < Soapy> i found the source
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18:18 < Qcoder02> OOdd thing
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18:18 < Qcoder02> Apparently Kinghtmare had a French languge offshot
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18:19 < Qcoder02> Hi Kylu
18:20 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  BTW There are 2 versions of the Tommorow People
18:20 < kylu> 'lo
18:20 < kylu> I saw the Thames one from the 70's.
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18:20 < BarkingFish> Yeah, there was an old version from the 1970s ish, and there was a newer one with that kid that played Karl Kennedy's son in Neighbours
18:21 < kylu> Also: Dangermouse!
18:21 < kylu> that was a bit later though iirc.
18:21 < Qcoder02> There was a 90's (TP) about which I recall not very much apart from  it having a typecast Christopher lee in it
18:21 < BarkingFish> I think his character name in Neighbours was todd... Kristian Schmidt iirc
18:21 < kylu> Did you ever see Candle Cove, QC2?
18:21 < Qcoder02> No...
18:22 < Qcoder02> But I did see an obscure European serial called Silas in the UK
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18:22  * kylu shrugs, will find someone else that's seen it.
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18:22 < Qcoder02> It went for ever and couldn't understand  the story
18:22 < Demiurge1000> oo, Silas
18:22 < Demiurge1000> It had horses in it!
18:22 < Demiurge1000> and random people who kept kidnapping children?
18:22 < Qcoder02> Yeah
18:22 < Demiurge1000> or maybe it was the horses that kidnapped the children
18:22 < Qcoder02> Also in my distant recall is another European adpatation of Hedi
18:23 < Qcoder02> And various BBC adpatations of Alice in Wonderland that merge
18:23 < Demiurge1000> If you believe BBC News, /Silas/ was just like modern Britain, without the Olympics except for the equestrian events
18:24 < Qcoder02> Speaking of Alice in Wonderland...   Is it just me or do some of the version end up a bit tripy?
18:24 < Qcoder02> *versions
18:25 < Demiurge1000> See also [[Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas]]
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18:25 < Demiurge1000> and the soundtrack thereof
18:25  * kylu stops reading the Candle Cove wiki. Explains why kylu's f'd in the head, at least. c.c
18:26 < Qcoder02> The thing is a lot of British Kids TV by reputation as opposed to actually having seen it...  Liek Children of the Stones...
18:26 < BarkingFish> Demiurge1000, yeah, it had that freaky circus dude in it as well, the sword swallower - and that kid with the gammy leg, Godik.
18:26 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  Ever seen 'Children of the Stones' ?
18:27 < BarkingFish> Damn. That really takes me back. We saw that in Iceland. Every friday at 6.55 pm :P  It actually scared me a bit when I was young.
18:27 < BarkingFish> and no, never seen that, Qcoder02
18:27 < Demiurge1000> I might have
18:27 < Qcoder02> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Stones
18:28  * Peter-C licks BarkingFish
18:28 < Qcoder02> Mid 70's  but with production values that wouldn't have been out of place on Tales of the Unexpected :)
18:28 < Demiurge1000> " it was an unusually atmospheric production with sinister, discordant wailing voices heightening the tension on the incidental music" -- rewrite for English pls!
18:28 < kylu> Was it that or a Third Eye episode that had the two kids with the crystals at Stonehenge?
18:29 < Qcoder02> It's a shame ITV4 isn't  re-airing old Kids TV
18:29 < kylu> The only thing I remember vividly was a red and blue arc across the sky.
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18:29 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  I note ITV4 is still airing old Sweeny episodes :)
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18:30 < BarkingFish> of course. a bit of Jack Reagan style justice wouldn't go amiss in the UK these days, Qcoder02
18:30 < BarkingFish> i'm surprised the met don't use it as a training video :P
18:31 < BarkingFish> anyhow, I'm gonna pack up and get gone for the night. Bedtime :)
18:31 < BarkingFish> yay
18:31 < BarkingFish> see ya
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18:33 < Guerillero> am I on here
18:33 < Dagny> No.
18:33 < N96> yup
18:33 < Guerillero> thanks
18:33 < N96> :)
18:33 < Qcoder02> Kylu:  That could be either Third Eye or  Children of The Stones...
18:33 < Qcoder02> Children of the Stones was filmed in Averbury IIRC
18:34 < SigmaWP> Guerillero: No.
18:34 < Guerillero> :D
18:34 < kylu> don't remember the red and blue arc?
18:34 < kylu> Blast.
18:34 < Qcoder02> I haven't seen it :(
18:34 < Qcoder02> Only clips
18:34 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: 好久不見，　你最近怎麼樣？
18:35 < wctaiwan> I'm fine.
18:35 < Qcoder02> My memory of TV is also slightly biased in that when little I didn't see ITV shows... only the BBC ones...
18:35  * SigmaWP makes a mental note to get a better font
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18:35 < kylu> Mine was mostly CBC and Thames shows.
18:35 < Qcoder02> Also some (import) series in the UK  had a different dub from elsewhere
18:35 < Dagny> The only TV show that made any impact on child-me was The Animals of Farthing Wood.
18:36 < kylu> Can't say it rings any bells, Dagny. Sorry. :(
18:36 < Qcoder02> I am however aware of some US kids shows by reputation ... Like Sesame Street and Mr Rogers Neighbourhood
18:36 < Dagny> kylu: It was a cartoon about some animals from Farthing Wood (surprise surprise) and when their wood gets destroyed they go on an epic journey to get to Whitedeer park, a nature reserve or something.
18:37 < Qcoder02> Dgany: It was originally a book
18:37 < Dagny> The hedgehogs got ran over crossing a motorway, I remember that too clearly.
18:37 < kylu> QC2: According to WP, you're double correct, as The Third Eye was a rebroadcast of other small series, including... Children of the Stones.
18:37 < Dagny> Qcoder02: Yeah, I never found the book though. Just watched the series avidly as a kid.
18:38 < kylu> *doubly
18:38 < Qcoder02> I also recall a lot of  adaptations of Books done as Jackanory
18:38 < Qcoder02> readings
18:38 < Qcoder02> which is why I get little annoyed sometimes when Librivox readings dont work
18:38 < Qcoder02> vocally
18:39 < Qcoder02> Dagny: To give an example,  Kiplings stories don't sound right read by someone from Brooklyn
18:39 < Dagny> I imagine not.
18:40 < Qcoder02> Just as Tom Sawyer doesn't sound right to me if it's read by someone from England ;)
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18:40  * Dagny 's computer needs a restart
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18:42 < kylu> QC2: Could be worse, as reading bits of Huckleberry Finn aloud is considered an invitation to street violence in places.
18:43 < Qcoder02> kylu: Children of The Stones is on YouTube  (unofficialy though :( )
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18:44 < Qcoder02> A more recent Kids TV series that worked was 'The Demon Headmaster'
18:44 < Qcoder02> ;)
18:44 < Guerillero> whats wrong with MR Rodger's Neighborhood
18:44 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@wikisource/slaporte] has quit [Quit: slaporte]
18:44 < Dragonfly6-7> Rogers is dead now.
18:44 < kylu> QC2: I'm fairly certain I had one of those, actually.
18:45 < Qcoder02> Guerillero:  Nothing
18:45 < Qcoder02> I never said there was anythign wrong with it
18:45 < SigmaWP> How do you get stomach cancer
18:45 < kylu> Unfortunately I had a Dean who was both an ex-USAian American Football player and a close friend of my father.
18:45 < SigmaWP> Why didn't his stomach digest the cancer
18:46 < SigmaWP> OH SHIT
18:46  * Qcoder02 is lol-ing at a clip of TIMESLIP
18:46 < Dragonfly6-7> It did, but the cancer grew too fast
18:46 < SigmaWP> If you go to the stomach cancer article, your eyes will dissolve
18:48 < Qcoder02> kylu: BTW On the subject of TV...  I laughed at the 1st Series of Look Around You...
18:48 < Qcoder02> I can recall 'Education' programmes that use the exact same style ;)
18:48 < kylu> I always wondered about that... was it done by the Monty Python folks?
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18:50 < Qcoder02> Look Around You was not done by Python
18:50 < BarkingFish> I was gonn ago to bed, but I have got a copyright issue to raise first... Seems we have a bad license up somewhere.
18:50 < Qcoder02> BTW On a curious side note - John Cleese DID make a LOT of managment training films
18:50 < Isarra> BarkingFish: The tagline actually is linux libertine.
18:50 < Isarra> Just for the record.
18:50 < Isarra> I checked.
18:50  * Isarra makes a hasty exit.
18:51 < BarkingFish> Anyway - can someone review this, so I can fo back to bed please?
18:51 < BarkingFish> http://registration.olympic.org/en/faq/detail/id/80  and http://enwp.org/File:Fuwa.png
18:51 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: On something else - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQYSYyv4y4w&feature=related - Look Around You got it exacrtly right...
18:51 < BarkingFish> we have the Olympic rings as being PD - they're not
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18:52 < wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Olympic_Rings.svg
18:52 < wctaiwan> (not the fuwa)
18:52 < BarkingFish> read the bottom of the fuwa page, wctaiwan
18:52 < BarkingFish> The olympic rings are NOT Public domain
18:53 < BarkingFish> "The Olympic rings are the exclusive property of the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The Olympic rings are protected around the world in the name of the IOC by trademarks or national legislations and cannot be used without the IOC's prior written consent. "
18:53 < wctaiwan> oh
18:53 < kylu> They're not technically trademarked either.
18:53 < wctaiwan> BarkingFish: it's still possibly PD
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18:53 < kylu> They've actually got their own law, similar to the devices of the International Red Cross.
18:53 < wctaiwan> just trademarked
18:53 < BarkingFish> That's listed in the IOC's charter
18:53 < Qcoder02> Twinkle's broken :(
18:53 < Qcoder02> I'm not seeing the normal menu options
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18:54 < wctaiwan> BarkingFish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_symbols#Olympic_rings it's PD
18:54 < wctaiwan> designed in 1912, so PD in the US.
18:55 < wctaiwan> (which is where the servers are)
18:55 < froodonwheels> Yes hello, frood here.
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18:55 < flaiz> hello sir.
18:55 < Frostee> ON WHEELS
18:55 < froodonwheels> Yes.
18:56 < wctaiwan> anyway, I need to go. BarkingFish, basically I think the way it's tagged is fine—doesn't mean you can incorporate a trademark in your designs etc.—but others may disagree.
18:56 < flaiz> You spin me right round, baby
18:56 < flaiz> Right round like a record, baby
18:56 < BarkingFish> wctaiwan, How can something be Public Domain when the rights to it are still owned or copyrighted?
18:56 < BarkingFish> I pulled this from the actual olympic charter
18:56 < BarkingFish> "The Olympic symbol, flag, motto, anthem, identifications (including but not limited
18:56 < BarkingFish> to “Olympic Games” and “Games of the Olympiad”), designations, emblems, flame
18:56 < BarkingFish> and torches, as defined in Rules 8-14 below, may, for convenience, be collectively
18:56 < BarkingFish> or individually referred to as “Olympic properties”. All rights to any and all Olympic
18:56 < BarkingFish> properties, as well as all rights to the use thereof, belong exclusively to the IOC,
18:56 < BarkingFish> including but not limited to the use for any profit-making, commercial or advertising
18:56 < BarkingFish> purposes. The IOC may license all or part of its rights on terms and conditions set forth
18:56 < BarkingFish> by the IOC Executive Board.
18:57 < BarkingFish> "
18:57 < froodonwheels> Pastebin pls
18:57  * DeltaQuad eyes BarkingFish
18:57 < jeremyb> ??????
18:57 < froodonwheels> Flooding triggers AntiSpamMeta
18:57 < wctaiwan> eh, I need to go. I'll let others take a look.
18:57 < kylu> more important than quoting charters and laws, it's enforced: http://seattletrademarklawyer.com/
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18:59 < kylu> though if you want U.S. law rather than the charter, http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/220506
18:59 < BarkingFish> I disagree that something can be public domain when an organization can claim that it owns all the rights to the item and its usage...
19:00 < kylu> Wait until the USOC files suit with the WMF, then.
19:00 < froodonwheels> It's not . They can renew copyright
19:01 < kylu> not a copyright issue. x.x
19:01 < BarkingFish> kylu, i think it's better that we act on it prior to getting sued :)
19:02 < kylu> BarkingFish: I've developed an appreciation for reading legal claims, lately... except those which pertain to work.
19:03 < kylu> For some reason, simply being paid to be familiar with one seems to take the fun out of it.
19:05 < kylu> for the UK folks, there's also:  Olympic Symbol etc. (Protection) Act 1995 (OSPA)
19:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish Olympic logo is too simple for us to care
19:05 < kylu> Similar to the US 36 USC 220506.
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19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this has been discussed to death before
19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> please refer to it :)
19:06 < kylu> {{citation needed}}
19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
19:06  * kylu looks pointedly to ToAruShiroiNeko.
19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this is an issue for commons
19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not #wikipedia-en
19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia should know its place and not analyse copyright of files :p
19:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> commonism now!
19:07 < kylu> That file is locally hosted on wp-en also.
19:07 < BarkingFish> that makes it an en.wp issue
19:07 < kylu> so, got citation or do you feel like backing down, kitty?
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19:07 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko:  yeah, yeah.  but when IOC sues us and the damages assessed will shut down Wikipedia, you'll sing a different tune. :)
19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug did we get a DMCA notice?
19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no?
19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> move along then.
19:08 < kylu> also... it's not a bloody copyright issue, it's SIMILAR to a trademark issue, but different as it has its very own law.
19:08 < kylu> DMCA refers to copyright, not trademark.
19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu I am not seriously saying it cant be discussed here :p
19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> trademarks are irrelevant as far as we care
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19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we have no procedure to enforce trademark
19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we made a point to denote trademark but like money thats not a retriction we should care too much about
19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> coca cola logo is PD but trademarked
19:10  * Isarra pelts the channel with potatos.
19:10 < kylu> That's lovely, but again, it's not a pure trademark issue either.
19:10 < mareklug> Isarra:  did you know that in Peru they have 500 kinda of potato?
19:10 < mareklug> kinds
19:10  * Frostee pelts the potatoes at Isarra again
19:11 < Isarra> They must really like potatoes.
19:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu I'd like to see the court case where foundation is sued for portraying the olympic logo
19:11 < mareklug> they do.  they came up w/ them
19:11 < Frostee> I love potatoes
19:11 < Frostee> in chip form
19:11 < kylu> As I said, both the symbols for the Red Cross/Red Crescent and the Olympics are protected by super-duper special laws that only apply to them.
19:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu sure
19:11 < kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: Nah, WMF would fold.
19:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> secondary uses may infringe/violate such laws
19:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu sure, WMF may bend over when the time comes
19:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but the time has not come
19:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> also
19:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> bear in mind that olympic logo is used all over the place
19:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> commercially
19:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and no one complains
19:13 < Qcoder02> Erm
19:13 < Qcoder02> Not in the UK
19:13 < Qcoder02> They sent a load of people out ot make sure
19:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> any photo of the london bridge on any newspaper infringes trademark and copyright
19:13 < Qcoder02> ;)
19:13 < mareklug> kylu:  i'm kinda fond of the educational angle of us having the rings graphic.  let's be conservative on getting rid of it unprompted
19:13 < kylu> mareklug: Don't misunderstand, I don't think there's a need to be rid of the graphic...
19:13 < Guerillero> i agree
19:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but olympic comittee arent a bunch of dickheads to sue all newspapers
19:14 < kylu> I take exception with there being a PD tag on it and our having stupid readers who may assume the wrong thing.
19:14 < kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: Just cab companies. :)
19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu indeed thats why I reccomend putting {{trademakred}} below it
19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or above it
19:14 < mareklug> but pd tag is what keeps it on commons
19:14 < kylu> 'Cept it's not really trademarked, strictly.
19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it is trademarked
19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people pay money to be able to put the olympic logo on their products during the olympics
19:15 < kylu> Nope, it's enforced via trademark laws, but it's not a registered trademark... they have their own law and own enforcement, and it can be licensed similarly.
19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> trademarks do not have to be registered
19:15  * kylu facepalms.
19:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont care about TM v (R) issues
19:16  * ToAruShiroiNeko gets a coconut from kylu's facepalm tree
19:16 < kylu> y'know what... you're reading the parts of the argument that you want to read and ignoring the rest.
19:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yup
19:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p
19:16 < kylu> As I'm no longer a WPian, I'm going to feel free to assume bad faith and regard you as a troll.
19:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as you wish
19:16  * kylu goes back to reading.
19:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am going to assume you are a kylu
19:17 < mareklug> kylu:   but the template says what you said: "This work contains material which may be subject to trademark laws in one or more jurisdictions….."
19:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> since you arent a wikipedian you have wasted my time, troll
19:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug yeah
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19:21 < ChrisGualtieri> Ahahah... TypoScan is in 100%+ scan mode
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19:23 < Demiurge1000> kylu: Who were you on WP?
19:23 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away
19:24 < kylu> ... kylu.
19:24 < kylu> admin/checkuser on en, just about everything on meta, admin on commons, various other flags scattered about.
19:25 < kylu> If you've not heard of me, you haven't missed much... in fact, count thy blessings.
19:26 < Demiurge1000> Yeah, nothing at all. Eyes skimmed over name if I saw it at all. Enjoy real life! ;)
19:26 < ChrisGualtieri> Well.. I'm done with the projects scan.. I think I've done something special
19:27 < kylu> Demiurge1000: the problem with real life is that when you get out there and start doing things, you get these funny bulges in your arms and aren't quite interested in Hot Pockets anymore.
19:27 < Demiurge1000> I heard some U.S. kid talking a lot about hot pockets last year. In an IRC channel about hurricanes. So yeah, I can imagine...
19:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> my pockets are hot
19:29 < ChrisGualtieri> >.> I need work! Someone give me something to do
19:29 < kylu> I never quite understood the attraction really.
19:30 < Isarra> ChrisGualtieri: Explain notability to me.
19:30 < Isarra> That should keep us both busy for a bit.
19:30 < Isarra> :D
19:30 < BarkingFish> well anyway, I really am gonna bugger off to bed now. Thanks anyway :)
19:30 < BarkingFish> night all
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19:30 < kylu> I keep a box in the freezer in case I'm ever in the mood for instant, fatty comfort food with laziness, but that's about as low on the scale as slicing my wrist anymore, so will probably pass.
19:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri you can help me with templates
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19:30 < kylu> Actually, it may well have similar health consequences.
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19:31 < ChrisGualtieri> Weird I crashed
19:32 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Join #wikipedia-en-helpers and I will find you something to do
19:32 < Isarra> WP:N will do that.
19:32 < ChrisGualtieri> Oi >.> least you heard me
19:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri you can help me with templates
19:33 < ChrisGualtieri> Templates are scary, if I do those I'd crash Wikipedia
19:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> even a monkey can preform edits like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMembership%2FData%2FBurma&diff=503075130&oldid=501854159
19:34 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri:  you could construct the new template kylu suggests the ioc rings logo needs.  ask him nicely for wording
19:35 < ChrisGualtieri> Hehe Ok, let me get these COI ones out quick
19:35 < Demiurge1000> No, do them slowly.
19:35 < Demiurge1000> And do them right.
19:35 < Demiurge1000> If you don't know what you're doing, skip that one and go on to the next one.
19:36 < Demiurge1000> Remember, them having requested it is NOT a reason for you doing it. If it were like that, they would be allowed to do it themselves.
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19:38 < Isarra> Crashing wikipedia isn't necessarilly bad.
19:39 < Isarra> Sometimes it highlights issues that need to be resolved, and better resolve them sooner rather than later when they could do even more damage.
19:39 < Demiurge1000> Is 9/11 similar to that?
19:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug uneeded
19:40 < Dragonfly6-7> chew off your own arms
19:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont need template for everything
19:43 < kylu> ChrisGualtieri: you can ask mareklug if you'd like.
19:43 < kylu> ciao.
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19:48 < Isarra> Demiurge1000: Yes.
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19:49 < Dcoetzee> Isarra: Spoken like a true grey hat :-P
19:50 < Isarra> A what?
19:50 < SigmaWP> [[Gray hat (computer security)]]
19:50 < Dcoetzee> Isarra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_hat
19:50 < Isarra> You're very helpful.
19:50 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: Gray or grey?
19:51 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri:  may i pm?
19:51 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Depends only whether you're in the US :-P
19:51 < SigmaWP> I mean on WP
19:51 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: WP:ENGVAR applies here I think
19:52 < SigmaWP> WP:GRAY doesn't give anything useful, unfortunately
19:52  * SigmaWP czechs engvar
19:53 < Isarra> We should use aussie english more.
19:53 < SigmaWP> We should just use a site-wide script that randomises the spelling every time you refresh
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19:55 < Dcoetzee> WP:ENGVAR is interesting because it's one of our oldest guidelines, and dates to a time when edit wars over these things were common.
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19:55 < Dcoetzee> At its heart all it really says is "guys don't fight about this" :-P
19:56 < Guerillero> hmmm
19:56 < SigmaWP> Site-wide script it is! :D
19:56 < Shirik> also american english is the best
19:56  * Dcoetzee facepalms :-)
19:56 < froodonwheels> Your opinion is invalid.
19:56 < Shirik> I am Shirik
19:56 < Pharos> maybe it was better when more of the figts were about meaningless stuff
19:56 < Shirik> my opinion is the only one that matters
19:56 < SigmaWP> Your opinion is rolling off a cliff.
19:56 < froodonwheels> Okay.
19:56 < Dcoetzee> I tend to write solely in NZ English these days unless I'm speaking to an American who I think might be confused. :-P
19:56 < froodonwheels> It's still invalid.
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19:57 < jorm> americans get confused by a lot of stuff fairly easily.
19:57 < Pharos> lies
19:57 < Dcoetzee> Americans know about "colour" and "flavour" but when they see "realise" they freak out.
19:57 < Dragonfly6-7> I'm Canadian, and I'm still bothered by "gaol"
19:58 < Guerillero> do you think it would be a good idea to write an article about "lax bro" culture
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19:58 < Dcoetzee> "gaol" is a very strange word :-P
19:58 < SigmaWP> Dragonfly6-7: How do you pronounce that
19:58 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: "jail"
19:58 < SigmaWP> o_O
19:58 < Dcoetzee> ...I prefer the US spelling on that one
19:58 < Pharos> there should be a UN treaty abolishing that spelling
19:59 < SigmaWP> Agreed
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19:59 < Dcoetzee> Life is so much simpler in Estonian with theire purely phonetic spelling.
19:59 < Dcoetzee> *their
19:59 < SigmaWP> I bet ClueBot has reverted additions of gaol a thousand times
20:00 < Dcoetzee> Estonian orthography is regular because it was invented by like one guy in the 50s. I wonder if English writing would be less fucked up if we had the benefit of hindsight when we came up with it.
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20:02 < Pharos> a big problem would be incompatibility with old texts
20:02 < Pharos> unless you want to pull an Ataturk intentionally
20:02 < Dragonfly6-7> and dialects and accents
20:03 < SigmaWP> Everyone should just start speaking Burmese
20:03 < mareklug> Dcoetzee:  "gaol" pronunciation must be some sort of a curiosity, as we have "gale", "gallop", "gallant"
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20:04 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Soft G is not uncommon. Consider giraffe, gentle, giant, gerbil, gestate, ginger, ...
20:04 < jorm> you know, it's never the spellings that get me goofed.  it's the words.
20:04 < jorm> petrol v. gas.  lift v. elevator.
20:04 < Dcoetzee> Soft G followed by "a" is unusual these days though.
20:05 < mareklug> Dcoetzee:  none of them "ga" words
20:05 < Dcoetzee> jorm: Also rubber v. condom trips up a lot of people.
20:05 < SigmaWP> jorm: New page petrolling! :D
20:05 < Dragonfly6-7> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballad_of_Reading_Gaol\
20:05 < Dragonfly6-7> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballad_of_Reading_Gaol>  rather
20:05 < Dcoetzee> vs rubber v. eraser
20:05 < jorm> i grew up with rubber and condom being synonymous.
20:05 < jorm> but never heard "rubber" for "eraser"
20:05 < Dragonfly6-7> rubber = overshoes
20:05 < Dragonfly6-7> rubber = eraser
20:05 < Dragonfly6-7> rubber = frotteur
20:06 < Dcoetzee> Ambiguity!
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20:06 < Dcoetzee> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rubber And there's more where that came from
20:06 < jorm> auto v. car
20:06 < Dcoetzee> A check that isn't covered is called a rubber too
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20:06 < Dragonfly6-7> polysemy is so cool
20:06 < Dcoetzee> Also racing tires
20:06 < Dragonfly6-7> "a rubber of bridge"
20:07 < Dcoetzee> That too :-P
20:07 < Dcoetzee> It probably has the most definitions of any noun I've heard of.
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20:07 < Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee - how about "set" ?
20:07 < Dcoetzee> Dragonfly6-7: set has more defs but less as a noun
20:07 < Dcoetzee> If we're counting verbs I believe "run" is the winner
20:08 < Dcoetzee> (especially if you include idioms!)
20:08 < Dragonfly6-7> get
20:08 < Dcoetzee> Dragonfly6-7: ...wow quite a lot on that one too
20:09 < Dcoetzee> Dragonfly6-7: run still has more :-)
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20:52  * kim_bruning pokes mindspillage: How do you eat your corn? ;-) http://bentilly.blogspot.nl/2010/08/analysis-vs-algebra-predicts-eating.html
20:54 < mindspillage> kim_bruning: that is hilarious (and I eat in rows, sometimes one kernel at a time).
20:55 < mindspillage> I enjoy food that can be separated into discrete parts.
20:55 < kim_bruning> <grin> Does their prediction hold?
20:55 < kim_bruning> you're a very digital kind of person then? ;-)
20:56 < mindspillage> basically. :-)
20:56 < ChrisGualtieri> I've got a weird question. Is it OK to specifically remove links that are like this [[Article 1|Article 1]] so that they are just [[Article 1]]?
20:56 < kim_bruning> ChrisGualtieri, yeah, that much is aok
20:57 < kim_bruning> ChrisGualtieri, though it requires a certain level of OCD to want to ;-)
20:58 < kim_bruning> (wikimania probably had a very high percentage of OCD sufferers. ;-)
20:58  * Isarra takes kim_bruning's glasses, paints them green, and then puts them on the back of his head.
20:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BREAKING NEWS! Mitt Romney’s campaign has announced that Romney will reveal his U.S. vice presidential nominee Saturday.  !!!!!
20:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OMG
20:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its breaking my concentration
20:59 < TeeTylerToe> generic republican candidate?
20:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
20:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they didnt specify which saturday
20:59 < TeeTylerToe> sounds like he's desparate to break the news cycle
21:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OMGWTFBBQ NEWS!
21:00 < kim_bruning> Isarra, what's that good for? If you had colored them rose-colored, at least the eyes in the back of my head have had a rose-colored view ;-)
21:00 < kim_bruning> It's saturday here now, he should get on with it
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21:01 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning is a guy?
21:01 < wctaiwan> >.>
21:01 < Isarra> I was checking for an OCD response.
21:01 < Isarra> He has a shiny forehead and everything!
21:02 < jorm> yeah, it's actually weird that he is going to announce on "trash day"
21:02 < Isarra> Then again, I have a shiny forehead too, so that's not really saying much.
21:02 < kim_bruning> Isarra, see, there you go and ruin another guy's dreams! :-P
21:02 < kim_bruning> Isarra, on the internet, nobody knows you're really a dog and all that. ;-)
21:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Isarra, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsnRQJxanVM
21:04 < Isarra> kim_bruning: Sssshh! People might get suspicious.
21:04 < kim_bruning> Isarra, interesting btw, what would the OCD response have been? :-)
21:04 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: you like matte foreheads? ....
21:04 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle
21:04 < ChrisGualtieri> Same applies to category duplication, right?
21:04 < Isarra> No idea.
21:04 < Isarra> That's why it would have been interesting!
21:05 < kim_bruning> Isarra, :-P
21:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe I expect Alduin to be Romney's running mate
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21:06 < kim_bruning> ToAruShiroiNeko, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3MFs7NptE
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21:06 < kim_bruning> ToAruShiroiNeko, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FLQ4rACE-0
21:07 < kim_bruning> ToAruShiroiNeko, Ok, and this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLPH9d-jsI&feature=related
21:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Romney - Alduin 2012
21:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kim_bruning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD8GmRjWGV4
21:08 < kim_bruning> Vote Cthulu for president. Why vote for a LESSER evil?
21:09 < wctaiwan> Cthulu is the president of Chiron Beta Prime.
21:09 < kim_bruning> ToAruShiroiNeko, Eh, Suddenly switching to Miku Hatsune?
21:09 < kim_bruning> ohai wctaiwan btw
21:09 < wctaiwan> hello.
21:09 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, where are you actually located?
21:09 < wctaiwan> Taiwan.
21:09 < kim_bruning> *doh*
21:10 < kim_bruning> wait, I was at wikimania taipei. You didn't go?
21:10  * kim_bruning scratches head
21:10 < wctaiwan> I wasn't a wikipedian until mid-2011ish.
21:10 < kim_bruning> Otay
21:10 < wctaiwan> and I would have been young. Like, really young :p
21:10 < kim_bruning> oh well, maybe we'll meet in hong kong? :-P
21:10 < wctaiwan> iff. Isarra and Ironholds get their way.
21:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kim_bruning of course
21:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Miku is the true dragon born
21:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> she can SHOUT
21:11  * Isarra grins at wctaiwan.
21:11 < kim_bruning> ToAruShiroiNeko, srsly?
21:11 < kim_bruning> Isarra, what's the plan?
21:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Oh!
21:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Miku as running mate for Romney
21:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Generic hologram candidate
21:12 < kim_bruning> ToAruShiroiNeko, strictly speaking, it wouldn't be a sockpuppet :-P
21:13 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, just note that *some* folks at wikimania, the best way to communicate was to sit next to them, open your laptop, and chat with them that way
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21:13 < wctaiwan> might be true for me really.
21:13 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluff|sleep
21:13 < wctaiwan> I met up with a couple of online people a week or so ago. It didn't go over well >.>
21:14  * Peter-C licks wctaiwan
21:14 < wctaiwan> my skin may or may not be poisonous to rabid dogs.
21:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no but it would be the best running mate for romney
21:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> better than palin since miku has been to more countries than her
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21:19 < Isarra> kim_bruning: We intend to kidnap wctaiwan and force him to come to wikimania if we can.
21:20 < kim_bruning> Isarra, awesome. You're going to taiwan first then?
21:20 < kim_bruning> It's a very pretty country
21:20 < Isarra> ell, in theory.
21:20 < Isarra> W
21:20 < Isarra> >.>
21:20 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, what happened between you and the $random online people?
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21:21 < harej> Paul Ryan, everyone!
21:22 < Isarra> Wot?
21:23  * Frostee throws a loaf of bread at Isarra
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21:23  * Isarra looms overhead.
21:23 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: awkward silence; lots of it.
21:24  * Isarra recalls certain skype calls and starts giggling.
21:24  * Frostee throws skype at Isarra
21:24 < wctaiwan> reinforcing how bad it was was that after he returned to his hotel and I my house, we talked online just fine, about how his hotel wifi was probably insecure and monitored. I even tried to offer some advice on how to get VPN to work (we didn't manage).
21:25 < wctaiwan> (that's one of them. There were two people)
21:25 < wctaiwan> basically I can talk to people online just fine but IRL it falls apart :p
21:25 < Isarra> But with wikipedians, it could go even better!
21:26 < Isarra> Instead of listening to each other type to each other over skype, you could sit next to each other and type to each other!
21:26 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, ah, right. did you break out the laptops?
21:26 < wctaiwan> we did, but we didn't have internet :(
21:26 < TeeTylerToe> What we have here is a failure to vpn!
21:27 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, pro tip, in future, make sure you have wifi around
21:27 -!- Theopolisme [~Theopolis@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:27 < kim_bruning> but yeah, it happens ;-)
21:27 < wctaiwan> heheh.
21:28 < kim_bruning> it also helps to have a few extroverted types around
21:28 < TeeTylerToe> if you're chatting over irc you can either directly do ssl to a irc server that supports it, like freenode, or you can ssl to mibbit to connect to the irc server
21:28 < kim_bruning> some exist, just to facilitate communication ;-)
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21:28 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, OR you can use ssh and talk
21:28 < kim_bruning> or ssh and ircii to a local ircd. but that's just silly
21:29 < kim_bruning> effective though ;-)
21:29 < wctaiwan> mibbit is blocked on freenode, fwiw.
21:29 < kim_bruning> or ssh tunnel to a local ircd ....
21:29 < TeeTylerToe> but you can connect through ssh to freenode without mibbit
21:29 < wctaiwan> yeah.
21:30 < TeeTylerToe> you could even, I suppose, ssh to a java irc app
21:30 < TeeTylerToe> actually no that probably wouldn't work
21:30 < wctaiwan> well, VPN generally works.
21:31 < TeeTylerToe> there are easier alternatives
21:31 < TeeTylerToe> imo
21:31 < wctaiwan> I have been contemplating whether I should install my uni's VPN software on my work computer >.>
21:31 < TeeTylerToe> althought not if you want to run squid =[
21:31 < wctaiwan> their proxy blocks a bunch of stuff and breaks a bunch of others.
21:32 < TeeTylerToe> you'd think that if you wanted to run squid at home when you're traveling it would be easy to connect to it with ssl
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21:33 < wctaiwan> Frostee: how did you end up on this desolate part of the internet?
21:33 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, I run ssh . How did you guess? ;-)
21:33 < TeeTylerToe> ?
21:33 < Frostee> *Type /join #wikipedia-en
21:34 < TeeTylerToe> for squid?
21:34 < Frostee> PROFIT
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21:35 < kim_bruning> go direct to PROFIT, do go past start, do collect $200
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21:40  * Frostee throws $200 at Isarra
21:40  * Frostee throws the universe at Isarra
21:41  * Isarra kidnaps Frostee.
21:41 < Frostee> implying you know where I live
21:41  * kim_bruning figures Frostee must have a very large lever (and a great fulcrum)
21:41 < kim_bruning> to be able to throw the entire universe
21:41 < kim_bruning> Isarra, you kidnap All The People? ;-)
21:42  * Peter-C licks kim_bruning
21:42 < Isarra> kim_bruning: I need a constant supply of parts.
21:42 < kim_bruning> Peter-C, mmm, vanilla
21:42 < Isarra> And I'm sure I could find you, Frostee.
21:42 < kim_bruning> FrankenIsarra?
21:43 < Frostee> HA! good luck
21:43 < kim_bruning> Peter-C, what's up doc?
21:43 < Peter-C> Your weight
21:43  * Peter-C runs
21:44 < kim_bruning> eh, only a few kilo's!
21:44  * kim_bruning chases Peter-C down and sits on them :-P:
21:44 < Peter-C> D:
21:44  * Peter-C drags Isarra down with him
21:48 < Isarra> Peter-C weighs more than I do.
21:48 < Peter-C> {{cn}}
21:50 < ChrisGualtieri> Yeah, these interwiki links that redirect to the article you are already viewing are annoying.
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21:58 < SigmaWP> Is concatenation faster than joining?
22:01 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, in which context?
22:01 < SigmaWP> Python
22:01  * Peter-C licks SigmaWP
22:01 < kim_bruning> if you're coding python, you generally shouldn't ask that question ;-)
22:02 < kim_bruning> But give me an example?
22:02 < Peter-C> kim_bruning - you code?
22:02 < kim_bruning> And whence the question?
22:02 < kim_bruning> Peter-C, errr, fluently, I guess.
22:02 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: I started learning python because I have nothing to do at work
22:03 < SigmaWP> Yay!
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22:03 < kim_bruning> Peter-C, the devs have known for years now. it's highly annoying. I can never wheedle for them to write stuff for me anymore :-P
22:03 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, python ftw. Keep learning. you'
22:03 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Now you can ask Earwig questions :D
22:03 < kim_bruning> d probably be busy after summer? ;-)
22:03 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, those questions were @you btw? ;-)
22:03 < wctaiwan> probably yeah, class.
22:03 < jorm> hooray!
22:04 < SigmaWP> kim_bruning: http_scheme + "://" + http_host, or "://".join(http_scheme, http_host)
22:04 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP,  you're looking at this? http://www.skymind.com/~ocrow/python_string/
22:04 < SigmaWP> Nope
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22:04 < SigmaWP> Ewwww he's using backquotes
22:04 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, here's a question for you.... how many thousands of times per second are you doing that operation?
22:04 < SigmaWP> kim_bruning: Once every __init__()
22:05 < SigmaWP> Wait what
22:05 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, ha, init of what? you're instantiating it a zillion times in a tight loop? ;-)
22:05 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, permature optimization is the root of all evil ;-)
22:05 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, premature too
22:06 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, the fastest is whatever makes it easier for you and other to read it
22:06 < wctaiwan> I think he's more asking (as I often to, when coding ><) "which is the conventional way to do it?"
22:06 < SigmaWP> Amazing
22:06 < SigmaWP> Concatenation was 6 times faster
22:06 < wctaiwan> o.O
22:06 < wctaiwan> what are you timing with?
22:06 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, no, I'm asking if sigmawp is actually somewhere in a tight loop, profiled it, and now is trying to get the last ounce of performance out
22:06 < SigmaWP> python -mtimeit "code goes here"
22:06 < wctaiwan> oh.
22:07 < kim_bruning> as opposed to just writing stuff for usefulness ;-)
22:07 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: I thought python wasn't for that kind of projects anyway..
22:07 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, <grin>
22:08 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, although I did see someone write some python code that was 1000 times faster than the equivalent C once ;-)
22:08  * kim_bruning would have to search really hard to find it back on the intertubes ;-)
22:08 < wctaiwan> heh
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22:08 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, the trick was that python has things like dictionaries built in, so a simple python program actually doesn't do too bad in the algorithms department
22:08 < SigmaWP> Huh?
22:09 < SigmaWP> Is that unix-like-y
22:09  * wctaiwan stares at SigmaWP 
22:09 < Isarra> Have I mentioned lately how much I absolutely adore you people?
22:09 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: What OS are you on
22:09 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: it's a mac IRC client
22:09 < SigmaWP> Oh
22:09 < SigmaWP> GOOD
22:09 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, while a C coder needs to do their algorithms from scratch (and in this case the dude had picked a naive algo :-P)
22:10  * kim_bruning hugs Isarra 
22:10 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: perl -e "$e .= `say 'coal balls'` while (1);"
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22:10 < kim_bruning> Isarra, idem ditto
22:10  * Isarra huggles kim_bruning.
22:11 < Logan_> SigmaWP: Behave.
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22:11 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Alternatively, python3 -c "import os; [os.system('say \"coal balls\"') for x in range(1238)]"
22:11 < SigmaWP> 'say' is the only good thing that comes on a Mac
22:11 < kim_bruning> aptitude install festival
22:12 < kim_bruning> cat > say.bash
22:12 < kim_bruning> #!/bin/bash
22:12 < kim_bruning> echo "$@" | festival --tts
22:12 < kim_bruning> ^D
22:12 < kim_bruning> chmod +x say.bash
22:12 < kim_bruning> ./say.bash "hello world"
22:12 < kim_bruning> you can also leave off the .bash if you want to be more maccy :-P
22:12 < Logan_> SigmaWP: I hope you've read all of these: http://www.tsop.org/refs/coalball.htm
22:13 < SigmaWP> Logan_: I have.
22:14 < SigmaWP> The ones that were readable
22:14  * SigmaWP had that bookmarked for months now
22:14 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: I saw some awesome code recently, hold on, let me type it into some pastebin
22:14  * Logan_ looks for new requests at WP:RX
22:14 < kim_bruning> your awesome code fits in a pastebin?
22:14 < kim_bruning> Hmmm
22:15 < wctaiwan> "awesome"
22:15 < kim_bruning> meh, maybe it is ;-)
22:15 < wctaiwan> it's the "holy crap what is this I don't even" kind of awesome.
22:15 < kim_bruning> so show me already!
22:15  * kim_bruning is curious. :-)
22:15  * kim_bruning also has rather less than 9 lives :-P
22:16 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: http://pastebin.ca/2179173
22:16 < wctaiwan> that was from a blog post written by someone who actually saw this kind of code from a self-taught programmer
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22:17 < wctaiwan> er sorry
22:17 < wctaiwan> should have been i -= 2;
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22:18 < kim_bruning> http://pastebin.ca/2179175
22:18 < wctaiwan> yeah, like that.
22:18 < kim_bruning> oh, there's a fun one.
22:19 < kim_bruning> http://pastebin.ca/2179176
22:19 < kim_bruning> here's mine
22:19 < kim_bruning> (not tested)
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22:20 < wctaiwan> I'm not a C++ person (and I hate bitwise operations :p) so I'm not sure how it'll be casted, but I can see what you did there.
22:20 < kim_bruning> (it's the 2nd one)
22:20 < wctaiwan> yeah, I know :p
22:20 < TeeTylerToe> ?
22:20  * kim_bruning isn't a C person, and I forgot about casting... I figure the 1 will be treated as int
22:21 < kim_bruning> I'd need to cast :-P
22:21 < TeeTylerToe> ah, why not just do mod 2?
22:21 < wctaiwan> TeeTylerToe: That's the point. Apparently someone actually wrote code like that first function there.
22:21 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: is_odd = lambda x: x % 2
22:22 < wctaiwan> when return i % 2; would have done the job.
22:22 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, you tell me why it's easier to &1 than %2 ? ;-)
22:22 < TeeTylerToe> how is that cool?
22:22 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: <kim_bruning> SigmaWP, permature optimization is the root of all evil ;-)
22:22 < wctaiwan> :P
22:22 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, oh, true
22:22 < kim_bruning> but I'm thinking C/ASM now ;-)
22:22 < TeeTylerToe> does &1 check to see of the lsb =1?
22:22 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, yes ;-)
22:23 < TeeTylerToe> YOU FIEND!
22:23 < kim_bruning> the %2 might need some microcode :-P
22:23 < wctaiwan> still stands really. At least our professors taught it that way—don't do stuff that you _think_ will optimise the program, when most of the time the compiler is better than you at that.
22:23 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, of course. ;-)
22:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kim_bruning its like in skyrim
22:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dual casting in C is more effective
22:23 < wctaiwan> (that's of course excepting things like string search)
22:23 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, otoh I think differently in different languages ;-)
22:24 < TeeTylerToe> I'm pretty sure the selftaught guy disproved your professor
22:24 -!- FastLizard4|zZzZ is now known as FastLizard4
22:24 < wctaiwan> I think in English when I'm typing in english...
22:24 < wctaiwan> TeeTylerToe: that's not not optimising, that's "what is this I don't even..."
22:24  * kim_bruning is humbled. I should learn to think the same way in different computer languages
22:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what is the point of http://pastebin.ca/2179173 code?
22:25 < wctaiwan> why should we? I thought it's perfectly normal? I mean, trying to code VBA as a C programmer hasn't been easy >.>
22:25 < kim_bruning> int round (float x):
22:25 < kim_bruning> errr.. .that won't work
22:25 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Oh yeah, python 2 or 3?
22:25 < kim_bruning> int round(float x) { return (int) (x+0.5); }
22:26 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: I'm learning with the tutorial in the docs for 3, but I'm wondering about that.
22:26 < SigmaWP> Python 3 is good
22:26 < wctaiwan> Django doesn't support 3 and won't for a few months yet.
22:26 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, there's not a huge diff in  practice
22:26 < SigmaWP> Python 2 is full of stupid shit
22:26 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, I do miss print
22:26 < kim_bruning> :-P
22:26 < kim_bruning> now it's print ()
22:26 < kim_bruning> geh
22:26 < SigmaWP> kim_bruning: print >>sys.stdout, "your mom", "is a coal ball",
22:27 < wctaiwan> yeah I figured I'd cross that bridge when I got to it. Shouldn't be too hard to wrap one's head around the differences, aye?
22:27 < kim_bruning> (notice how I managed to mix python and c syntax first time. Why can't all languages be sane? ;-)
22:27 < SigmaWP> kim_bruning: print("your mom", "is a coal ball", sep=" ", file=sys.stdout, end="\n")
22:27 < Earwig> ewwww
22:27 < SigmaWP> EARWIG IS A COAL BALL HATER
22:27 < Earwig> SigmaWP: I just closed EarwigBot issues #1 and #2
22:27 < Logan_> Don't be a hater.
22:27 < Earwig> I'm awesome.
22:28 < Logan_> False.
22:28 < SigmaWP> Earwig: What were they
22:28 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, maybe Earwig just hates your mom
22:28 < Earwig> SigmaWP: creating new config files from scratch and modifying bot permissions from IRC.
22:28 < Earwig> so now people can actually like
22:28 < Earwig> run the bot >_>
22:28 -!- Theo|food is now known as Theopolisme
22:28 < Logan_> :D
22:28 < SigmaWP> Do you raise the issues yourself or does someone actually try the bot and ask for something :P
22:28 < Earwig> I have a friend who tests stuff and has commented on issues
22:29 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away
22:29 < Theopolisme> Heck, who tries bots anymore? SOOOO 20th century
22:29 < Earwig> I've had two or three pull reqs so far
22:29 < Earwig> but yeah
22:29 < Earwig> mostly me created issues as a tracking system
22:29 < Theopolisme> Just let them run on the mainpage and see what happens xD
22:29 < Earwig> *creating
22:29 < Peter-C> bomb!
22:29  * Peter-C tackles Earwig
22:29 < Earwig> no
22:29  * Theopolisme looks on
22:29 < Peter-C> :(
22:31 < SigmaWP> Earwig: http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/index.html
22:31 < SigmaWP> It's a Kenneth Reitz project :D
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22:31 < Earwig> uh
22:31 < Earwig> oh gosh
22:32 < Earwig> http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/starting/which-python/#which-python-to-support
22:32 < Earwig> why not 2.7?
22:32 < SigmaWP> Fork it and add 2.7
22:32 < SigmaWP> Wait what
22:32 < Earwig> well there's probably a reason why
22:32 < SigmaWP> If you’re choosing a Python interpreter to use, I highly recommend you Use Python 2.7.x, unless you have a strong reason not to.
22:32 < SigmaWP> Right above.... ._.
22:33 < Earwig> yeah, someone fails
22:34 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Python 3 is the shiny one
22:34 < SigmaWP> Stay with it :D
22:35 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, dude, python3 has much more solid utf8 support
22:35 < SigmaWP> YES
22:35 < SigmaWP> PHP has no unicode support at all
22:35 < kim_bruning> unicode support even
22:35 < SigmaWP> Even perl does better than it
22:36 < kim_bruning> SigmaWP, well php does unicode something, because mediawiki works aok :-P
22:36 < kim_bruning> maybe I'm suppressing the pain though, who knows
22:36 < wctaiwan> PHP does unicode fine >.>
22:36 < SigmaWP> It's probably a Tim Starling hack™
22:39 -!- morgankevinj [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Morgankevinj] has joined #wikipedia-en
22:42 < morgankevinj> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Blocks_and_protections#File:Tower.jpg what problem is the tower.jpeg redirect causing
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22:52 < kim_bruning> morgankevinj, would #wikimedia-otrs know?
22:52 < kim_bruning> typically otrs supplies a ticket number, which they didn't do here...
22:53 < morgankevinj> I have access to otrs but there is no clear way to find the emial based on the information in the request
22:55 < kim_bruning> no kidding. <scratches head>
22:56 < kim_bruning> I guess you'll have to ask the original poster what they mean. ^^;;
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23:15 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Are you good at python yet?
23:16 < Peter-C> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Little_Miss_Muffet_2_-_WW_Denslow_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_18546.jpg
23:16 < Peter-C> da fuq
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23:20 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: course not
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23:24 < Peter-C> I wanna be a traffic cop
23:24 < Peter-C> I would totally crack down on violations
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23:25 < TeeTylerToe> what kind of violations?
23:25 < Peter-C> Failing to signal
23:25 < Peter-C> Parking tickets
23:25 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
23:26 < Peter-C> I would gain warrents and run around with an M4
23:26 < Peter-C> It will be legendary.
23:27 < Earwig> I consider this prima facie evidence of power hunger.
23:28 < Peter-C> No.
23:28 < SigmaWP> Is Istanbul on the East or West part of Turkey?
23:28 < SigmaWP> The map is too crappy for me to tell
23:28 < Earwig> SigmaWP: looks pretty far West to me
23:28 < Peter-C> It would be me enforcing the law at a higher standard.
23:28 < Peter-C> Istanbul was Constantanople
23:28 < SigmaWP> Earwig: I mean, on Asia Minor or that-mini-peninsula-on-eastern-europe
23:29 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ-wjDH4F4
23:29 < Earwig> er
23:29 < haggis> Earwig: poke
23:29 < Earwig> sorry
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23:30 < SigmaWP> I'll just put it in the middle
23:31 < SigmaWP> Peter-C: Unignore haggis
23:31 < Peter-C> what do you want haggis
23:31 < Peter-C> wait
23:31 < Peter-C> one sec
23:31 < Peter-C> no talk
23:31 < Peter-C> *now
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23:33 < Peter-C> :/
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23:33 < haggis> Peter-C: hello?
23:34 < Peter-C> haggis - are you going to say something :/
23:37 < haggis> Peter-C: did you see my PM?
23:39 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_: hi
23:40 < Logan_> Hi Sp33dyphil.
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23:42 < haggis> Sp33dyphil! hello!
23:42 < Sp33dyphil> haggis: hey bud
23:43 < Sp33dyphil> how's it going?
23:43 < Sp33dyphil> gtg for now, chat to ya later
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23:43 < Peter-C> haggis - did you say anything....
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23:44 < haggis> SigmaWP: help me out here :-P
23:44 < Peter-C> Now I see you
23:44 < Peter-C> :/
23:45 < Peter-C> haggis - what do you want
23:46 < TeeTylerToe> I'm guessing some sort of spiced meat product enclosed in some kind of tubing
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23:52  * SigmaWP hugs Pine 
23:52  * Pine hugs SigmaWP
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