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Session Start: Mon Nov 21 16:03:43 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[16:03] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[16:03] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�'
�03[16:03] * Set by derp!~omg@bas7-montrealak-1128544932.dsl.bell.ca on Sun Oct 23 20:29:19
[16:03] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[16:03] <Peter-C> (that made sense in my head)
[16:03] <PeterSymonds> Easily.
[16:03] <petan> show her awb, or huggle I am sure she will like it
[16:03] <Peter-C> derp - GTFO
[16:04] <Pesky> I've shown her Twinkle
�08[16:04] <derp> Peter-C, i bring you bad news.
[16:04] <Steven_Zhang> Hehe
[16:04] <Steven_Zhang> Pesky: Show her this link
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[16:04] <Pesky> Once she's found her way around, I expect she'll get into anti-vandalism
[16:04] <Peter-C> Anti-vandalisim is a gateway drug
[16:04] <Pesky> So is NPP
[16:04] <Peter-C> Next thing you know she will have a DYK
[16:04] <Steven_Zhang> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Dispute_Resolution
[16:04] <Steven_Zhang> Oops
[16:05] <Pesky> Wouldn't surprise me
�08[16:05] <derp> Steven_Zhang, wanna see some trolling on wikipedia :P
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[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> http://toolserver.org/%7Edispenser/view/Checklinks
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> That one.
[16:05] <Pesky> Steven_Zhang: once she's got going, she might very well be good at that
[16:05] <Pesky> She used to do online counselling
[16:05] <Qcoder00> What field?
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> Wrong link, but great :p
�08[16:05] <derp> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scopophobia&oldid=461815149
�08[16:05] <derp> LOL
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> Pesky: I thought about quitting my job
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> And doing DR professionally.
�08[16:05] <derp> Great use of the Jimbo Wales mug :P
[16:06] <Peter-C> WIN
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> Haha nice
[16:06] <Pesky> Steven_Zhang: you'd quite probably be good at that
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> There's an online course.
[16:06] <Pesky> You need a regular de-brief if you're doing any kind of DR or counselling work
[16:07] <Steven_Zhang> http://www.opencolleges.edu.au/community-services-courses/certificate-iv-in-mediation.aspx
[16:07] <Steven_Zhang> But it's $2,500 :/
[16:07] <Pesky> That looks like a good idea - follow it up
[16:07] <Pesky> Teach yourself
[16:08] <Steven_Zhang> Nah, if I was to do it professionally id want to be accredited.
�08[16:08] <derp> Do it like that tranny who inejected cement into someone else'sass :P
�06[16:08] * petan steals ,500
[16:08] <petan> yay
[16:08] <Steven_Zhang> Though idk. I'm not as good at mediation as people think.
[16:08] <petan> my dumb client substituted $ symbol
[16:08] <Steven_Zhang> I work smart, not hard.
[16:09] <Pesky> Steven_Zhang: you can teach yourself and then take whatever exams you need
[16:09] <Pesky> You don;t have to pay for a tutor
[16:09] <Steven_Zhang> Nah, it's all online.
[16:09] <Pesky> Younger duaghter is doing learn-it-yourself stuff to do more qualifications - she only has to pay the actual exam fee
[16:09] <Peter-C> Good news, I am smarter than my friend
[16:09] <Qcoder00> Steven_Zhang: Some organisations in the UK will train mediators , at very low cost
[16:09] <Steven_Zhang> I'm in Au
[16:09] <Pesky> I bet they do it over there, too
[16:10] <Pesky> And train mediators
[16:10] <Peter-C> Panyd, Pesky, and little Pesky should start some sort of british females meetup
[16:10] <Peter-C> I think it would encourage more females to join Wikipedia
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[16:10] <Pesky> I'm going to have to go and lie down aghain - back is being stupid
[16:10] <Steven_Zhang> Hahaha
�08[16:10] * derp hugs Pesky
�08[16:10] * derp hugs Steven_Zhang
�08[16:10] * derp hugs Peter-C
�08[16:10] * derp hugs Fluff|meeting
�08[16:10] * derp hugs PeterSymonds
�08[16:10] * derp hugs Logan_
�08[16:10] * derp hugs Qcoder00
�06[16:10] * Peter-C is serious
[16:10] <Steven_Zhang> Qantas is going to ArbCom
[16:10] <Peter-C> HAX
[16:10] <petan> eh
[16:10] <Logan_> derp: Behave, please.
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�06[16:10] * petan huggles derp
�06[16:10] * Peter-C hides petan
[16:10] <Qcoder00> Peter-C: Hmm
�08[16:11] <derp> Logan_, a hug never hurts anybody :)
[16:11] <Steven_Zhang> Well, arbitration :p
[16:11] <petan> derp: no hug! :(
[16:11] <Qcoder00> Peter-C: Why should you have a special meet for female Wikipedians?
�06[16:11] * Pesky|afk hgus everybody indiscriminately
�08[16:11] * derp hugs petan too :)
[16:11] <petan> better.
�08[16:11] <derp> forgot to add you to the mass hug list :P
[16:11] <Peter-C> Qcoder00 - I shouldn't because I am not a female
�08[16:11] <derp> he is a female.
�08[16:11] <derp> trust me, he is.
[16:12] <petan> derp: we don't want to know that
�08[16:12] <derp> me neither.
[16:12] <Qcoder00> I almost got invited to a 'female' event because of my views
[16:12] <Qcoder00> ;)
[16:12] <Steven_Zhang> Mangina
[16:12] <Peter-C> But I think if females started one it would encourage others because their is a stereotype that only guys edit Wikipedia, by having some sort of meetups for girls only it will make the girls seem more appreciated and their numbers larger
[16:12] <Qcoder00> I explained that I didn't have anything appropriate to wear...
[16:12] <Peter-C> O_o
[16:12] <Qcoder00> Peter-C: You want the LGBT to have a Wiki-pride as well?
[16:12] <petan> I remember when I added Addihockey to g+ and he was like: I've been expecting some chick! damn
[16:12] <urnotfunny> Here's a suggestion girl.wikipedia.org
[16:13] <Qcoder00> urnotfunny: Wikipedia domains are based on language groups
[16:13] <Qcoder00> Grils speak the same language as males :)
[16:13] <urnotfunny> men.wikipedia.org & gay.wikimedia.org & peter-c.wikimedia.org
[16:13] <urnotfunny> Grils?
[16:13] <urnotfunny> I got grillz.
[16:13] <Qcoder00> *Girls sorry
[16:13] <Peter-C> Qcoder00 - Not really what I had in mind
�08[16:14] <derp> anyways
[16:14] <Steven_Zhang> Wtff
�08[16:14] <derp> imma play some syward swords <3
[16:14] <Peter-C> But this is an issue that has been an issue adressed by the WMF that not enough women edit Wikipedia and those that do get harrassed
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[16:14] <Steven_Zhang> $3,500 :/
�08[16:14] <derp> like Fluff|meeting?
�08[16:15] <derp> Peter-C, there are no girls on the internet.
[16:15] <petan> derp: excepting Fluffy
[16:15] <Steven_Zhang> $40 a week.. Hm
�08[16:15] <derp> yep
�08[16:15] <derp> Steven_Zhang, sell your child, you'll have enough $$$ :P
[16:15] <Steven_Zhang> $100 deposit plus $40 a week
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[16:20] <Peter-C> Good news
[16:20] <Peter-C> the Community college nearby is becoming a university
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[16:21] <Steven_Zhang_> Hmm
[16:21] <Steven_Zhang_> Government funding available...
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[16:30] <Ironholds> wb, raindrift :p. Added you on skype, when you're free
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[16:31] <raindrift1> Ironholds: found you there. calling now.
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�08[16:44] Clones detected from Wikipedia/Steven-Zhang:�8 Steven_Zhang Steven_Zhang_
[16:44] <Steven_Zhang_> hgm
[16:44] <Steven_Zhang_> hmm
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[16:45] <Pharos> hmph
[16:45] <Steven_Zhang_> oic
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[16:50] <Steven_Zhang> hungry
[16:50] <Ziko> hi guys, are there complains on the english language wikipedia that the wikimedia foundation does not inform the community well?
[16:51] <Pharos> sometimes
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[16:59] <Steven_Zhang> Finally :)
[16:59] <Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion/Proposed_decision&diff=461835091&oldid=461815755
[17:00] <Demiurge1000> Gosh, I wonder what coulda prompted them into action :D
[17:00] <PeterSymonds> They missed off "All editors who have ever edited this article, or any related articles, are banned, effecrive immediately."
[17:00] <Narodnik> anyone know what the "Cite gadget" is?
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�06[17:11] * Magog_the_Ogre wonders if there is a French-Vietnamese pidgin
[17:12] <Pharos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A2y_B%E1%BB%93i
[17:13] <Pharos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tây_Bồi
[17:13] <Magog_the_Ogre> there we go
�06[17:14] * Magog_the_Ogre wonders if there is an English-Tagalog pidgin
�06[17:14] * Magog_the_Ogre treats Pharos like ask.com
[17:14] <Magog_the_Ogre> there we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englog
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[17:16] <DarkoNeko> zzz nighty =_=
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�15[17:23] -> [_trollface_] VERSION
�06[17:25] * Aranda56 bored
�06[17:25] * Eta-theta too
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�08[17:25] <o-H> you ho.
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�06[17:26] * Aranda56 sees the ArbCom elections update
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[17:26] <Eta-theta> Eta-theta looks like "H-0"
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�08[17:27] <Zalgo> eta, try the nick lol :)
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�08[17:27] <Zalgo> /nick lol
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[17:27] <Logan_> lol: Cut it out.
[17:28] <lol> ok
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�08[17:28] <Zalgo> lol :)
[17:28] <Logan_> You gave him a lot of time on that one... :P
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�08[17:29] <Zalgo> Meh :P
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�08[17:30] <Zalgo> welcome back, Eta-theta :)
[17:30] <Eta-theta> Brb
�08[17:30] <Zalgo> okay!
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[17:36] <Ironholds> I've spent the last...okay, four and a half hours on skype
�06[17:36] * Ironholds is meetinged-out
[17:37] <Ryulong> murder death kill
[17:37] <Peter-C> ANARCHY
�06[17:37] * Peter-C tosses a bottle
[17:37] <Peter-C> FUCK THE POLICE
[17:37] <Ironholds> Peter-C: they're not very pretty. I'd advise against it
[17:37] <Narodnik> anyone available for a quick copyedit?
[17:37] <StevenW> haha
[17:38] <Ryulong> I need help getting reliable sources for a film and/or video game that is reaching its 20th birthday soon
[17:38] <Peter-C> Always spam Fluttershy-EN for copyediting
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[17:38] <Peter-C> Ryulong - look for MuZemike
[17:38] <Ryulong> also it's from Japan
[17:38] <Peter-C> Fluffernutter - Narodnik needs your copyedit help
[17:38] <Ryulong> because apparently, coming up with sources that directly reference the film's main character is not enough to determine the notability of the film itself
[17:38] <Fluffernutter> uh
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[17:39] <Ryulong> and also showing that the film was broadcast as part of a 40th anniversary special line up on a Japanese PPV channel is also not good enough
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[17:39] <Ryulong> and that it is part of a larger franchise, etc.
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[17:48] <Peter-C> Mane n' Tail! :D
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�08[17:49] <Zalgo> Gonads and Strife!
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[17:51] <Steven_Zhang> ohai
[17:52] <petan> :o
[17:52] <Narodnik> "Virtually all app stores operate a heavy scruty app pre-review process for all new apps and, crucially, updates to those apps."
[17:52] <Narodnik> what is "scruty" supposed to mean there?
[17:52] <Hurricanefan25> scrutiny?
[17:52] <Narodnik> that was my suspicion, but I'm not familiar with the topic area
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[17:54] <Ironholds> Narodnik: it's bollocks
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[17:54] <Ironholds> the Android app store, for example, is fairly over
[17:54] <Ironholds> *open
[17:54] <Ironholds> sorry, it's 11pm, I've spent four and a half hours in meetings back to back
[17:55] <Ironholds> one on statistical metrics, one on instrument design, one on interview technique
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[17:55] <Narodnik> hey tech liason dude, tech liase with me as to whether "scruty" is a thing
[17:55] <Narodnik> can it be a thing?
[17:55] <Narodnik> can we keep it?
[17:55] <Narodnik> I'll walk it every day
[17:55] <Ironholds> Narodnik: yes; Scrutny is a MediaWiki extension designed by Brion Vibber that enables WMF contractors to spew bullshit about MW extensions to budding journalists.
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> Ironholds: do you still have that survey?
[17:55] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: what survey? the NPP one?
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> yeah
�08[17:56] <Zalgo> Peter-C, a danemark ER service : http://piv.pivpiv.dk/
[17:56] <Ironholds> define "have"?
[17:56] <Narodnik> "journalist imitators", please.
[17:56] <Steven_Zhang> as in, to see the questions
[17:56] <Ironholds> Narodnik: fine, fine. "fake newsies"
[17:56] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: yes.
[17:56] <Steven_Zhang> could I see?
[17:56] <Ironholds> no.
[17:56] <ReneMagrane> http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/List_of_banned_users isn't this the best article?
[17:56] <Narodnik> I prefer "fauxhack", but as you will.
[17:56] <Steven_Zhang> :(
[17:56] <Ironholds> the list of questions is found in surveymonkey (which involves giving you access to the data)
[17:56] <Ironholds> and the data (which involves giving you access to the data)
[17:57] <Ironholds> we're clearing with legal what we can and cannot publish as we speak. You will see them soon enough
[17:57] <Steven_Zhang> you couldnt pastebin the first few?
[17:57] <Ironholds> or not! That's the wonders of legal.
[17:57] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: it's 11pm, I've had four and a half hours of statistical and survey design meetings, and you want me to do work?
[17:57] <Ironholds> at the moment merely typing whatever is in my head is the most I can do
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[17:58] <Steven_Zhang> Sorry Oliver.
[17:59] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: it's fine :P
[17:59] <Ironholds> I'll add it to my to-do list tomorrow
[17:59] <Ironholds> but send me an email to remind me - okeyes@wikimedia.org
[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> ooh
[17:59] <Ironholds> I'll write the things down and send them over
�06[17:59] * sonia spams Ironholds
[17:59] <Hurricanefan25> #thanksgiving is coming up in Amerika
[17:59] <Ironholds> (any particular reason you want to see them?)
[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> you got your wikimedia email! :P
[17:59] <Hurricanefan25> Ooh
[17:59] <Hurricanefan25> Ironholds: I won't spam it
[17:59] <Hurricanefan25> =P
[17:59] <Ironholds> sonia: oh noes, a cute kiwi is spamming me. Whatever shall I do.
[17:59] <Logan_> Ironholds: Can I have one?
[17:59] <Logan_> :P
[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> yeah, I know what main questions I want to ask, but the general ones, such as, ya know, demographics
[17:59] <Ironholds> Logan_: a spam? sure!
[17:59] <sonia> Ironholds: you get a spoon and eat the kiwi
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[18:00] <Logan_> Ironholds: Not what I was going for, but okay. :P
[18:00] <Logan_> spam-en-l
[18:00] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: okay, in that case I'll have to tweak them and provide more context. still fine.
[18:00] <Hurricanefan25> Fun.
[18:00] <Steven_Zhang> kk
[18:00] <Ironholds> sonia: truepoint
[18:00] <Hurricanefan25> Ponies and kittens.
[18:00] <Steven_Zhang> Dario is looking over the proposal, talking to Siko.
�06[18:00] * Hurricanefan25 emails Jimbo
[18:00] <Steven_Zhang> finally got in touch with him :P
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[18:01] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: awesome :). Dario is good people.
[18:01] <Ironholds> sonia: you never filled out my survey :9
[18:01] <Ironholds> *:(
[18:01] <sonia> I did!
[18:01] <Steven_Zhang> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Dispute_Resolution <- is rough but the idea is there
[18:01] <sonia> I just didn't give my username and all
[18:01] <sonia> because I wasn't sure who was handling it, y'know
[18:01] <Ironholds> sonia: oh. then you got discounted :P
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[18:01] <sonia> link me now and I"ll redo it if it's still up :P
[18:01] <Ironholds> sonia: ahh. I get the subtext there :P
[18:02] <Ironholds> (re who was handling it)
[18:02] <Ironholds> naw, it's down. Don't worry about it.
[18:02] <Ironholds> (you were not included in the final results. we had to cleanse everyone without a username due to a stupid error)
[18:02] <sonia> I'm aware.
[18:02] <Bsadowski1> Ironholds :DDDDDD
[18:02] <sonia> pity, it'll be skewed away from awesomeness then
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[18:02] <Ironholds> sonia: not true, it has both Chzz and Kudpung
[18:03] <Steven_Zhang> LOL at the "do you want to provide your username", "yes"
[18:03] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: hmn?
[18:03] <sonia> Chzz wins bonus points for singlehandedly managing AfC half the time and -en-help most of the time for a good whle
[18:03] <Steven_Zhang> ya know, the people who put "yes" in the email field :P
[18:03] <sonia> I do like fifteen reviews and go decide to write articles instead, less frustrating
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[18:03] <Ironholds> sonia: he will need to win a lot of bonus points for coming into office hours and drunkenly raging at me for everything the WMF has ever done without asking him for permission
[18:04] <sonia> o_O
[18:04] <Hurricanefan25> ?quit
[18:04] <Ironholds> I wouldn't mind, only it took me an hour.
[18:04] <Hurricanefan25> crp
[18:04] <Hurricanefan25> .quit
[18:04] <Hurricanefan25> bleh
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[18:04] <Ironholds> sonia: good news; I just got off the phone to the Zoom guys. We are moving ahead :)
[18:04] <sonia> our most useful users are sometimes our most idiosyncratic
[18:04] <sonia> yay :)
[18:04] <Ironholds> next two weeks are interview-and-screencasting weeks
[18:04] <tommorris> WP:COMPETENCE ^^
[18:04] <Ironholds> and then, preliminary design!
[18:04] <Ironholds> and then if people hate it, replacement design!
[18:05] <Ironholds> and then deployment, and when people scream "IT SUCKS!" we go "why does it suck?" and then fix it
[18:05] <Steven_Zhang> zoom guys?
[18:05] <Fluttershy-EN> .
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[18:05] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: the new Special:NewPages interface. Zoom.
[18:05] <geniice> ah good
[18:05] <Ironholds> (I did not pick the name. Or do any of the coding. Or do any of the design. I am just a happy smiley liasing monkey)
[18:05] <geniice> not zoomify
[18:06] <Ironholds> I heard myself be described as "the numbers monkey" earlier, which I quite like
[18:06] <Ironholds> I might get business cards with that on.
[18:06] <geniice> There was a point where I actualy put down "lab monkey" on a few forms that asked what my job was
[18:07] <Ironholds> haha
[18:07] <Ironholds> see, when I filled out the census, I had left my campaigning job and was working at a deli
[18:07] <Ironholds> "what is your job?"
[18:07] <Ironholds> "hummus monkey"
[18:07] <Ironholds> "what does this job entail?"
[18:07] <Ironholds> "monkeying hummus. What the fuck do you think?"
[18:08] <Steven_Zhang> new Arbcom candidate
[18:08] <Steven_Zhang> maxim
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[18:08] <BenjicMouse> Do goats dislike brass music instruments or something? Is that a common "thing"? As in they eating tin cans? Wondering because of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhI2qW5Vy1A
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[18:11] <tommorris> Ironholds: next census, I'm so going to put "Managing Director, Satan PR"
[18:11] <tommorris> What does that entail? "PR for Satan"
[18:11] <Ironholds> tommorris: nice
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[18:12] <Fluttershy-EN> NWA.Rep for arbcom 2012, also first ep of MLP is free on itunes. EqD didn't even tell me.
[18:12] <Magog_the_Ogre> fuck legislators in this country for not coming up with a deal to fix our debt problems.
[18:12] <Magog_the_Ogre> goddamnit, this isn't a game of "who can get elected next", it's our country
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[18:13] <Ironholds> Magog_the_Ogre: the republicans and democrats are certain of only one thing
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[18:13] <Fluttershy-EN> How much debt are we in?
[18:13] <Fluttershy-EN> like 15 tril?
[18:13] <Ironholds> that it will be THEM in the white house....overseeing its sale to bahrain
[18:13] <Fluttershy-EN> I think it just reached 15 trillion in debt recently.
[18:13] <Magog_the_Ogre> yes
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[18:14] <Magog_the_Ogre> and I have to point my finger squarely at our messiah-president Obama. I'm sorry, but he ran up the shit out of that debt.
[18:14] <Magog_the_Ogre> I have no love lost on the Republicans though
[18:14] <Fluffernutter> oh lordy
[18:14] <Fluttershy-EN> lol your racist magog you don't like Obama.
[18:14] <Steven_Zhang> obama bin laden>?
[18:14] <Fluttershy-EN> This is why Cain 2012, so the race card can't be played.
[18:14] <Magog_the_Ogre> no, I hate all parties and races the same
[18:15] <Magog_the_Ogre> I seriously wish there was a "we're done fucking with you" party
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[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> McCain is annoying
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> is so old
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> super old
[18:15] <Gfoley4> Cain ≠ McCain
[18:15] <Fluttershy-EN> So was Reagan.
[18:15] <Magog_the_Ogre> one that would be willing to raise taxes without coming up with excuses that don't fit empirical data and who also don't demagogue issues like social security which are clearly bankrupting our country
[18:16] <Magog_the_Ogre> nah, I like Reagan, I think he was a good president.
[18:16] <Magog_the_Ogre> then again, I kind of like Clinton too
[18:16] <Magog_the_Ogre> I saw him in town a few years ago
[18:16] <Steven_Zhang> oh
[18:16] <Magog_the_Ogre> he was SO much better than Obama if you ask me
[18:16] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre so you okey with massive increases in national debt
[18:16] <Steven_Zhang> who the fuck is CaIn
[18:16] <Gfoley4> Hermain Cain
[18:16] <Steven_Zhang> O_o
[18:16] <Magog_the_Ogre> no, I'm against national debt
[18:16] <Gfoley4> lulz worthy campaign
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[18:16] <Magog_the_Ogre> are you screwing with me geniice?
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[18:16] <Fluttershy-EN> It ain't lulz until the assassination threats pour in.
[18:16] <Magog_the_Ogre> I'll vote for Donald Trump (jk)
[18:17] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre you said you liked reagan
[18:17] <Steven_Zhang> looks like a wanker
[18:17] <Gfoley4> He harassed women back in the day and changes his story every other day
[18:17] <Magog_the_Ogre> oh; I'm OK with temporary raises in the debt
[18:17] <geniice> US national debt jumped under Reagan
[18:17] <Magog_the_Ogre> it did, that's right
[18:17] <Fluttershy-EN> Yeah, but the USSR fucked off because of Reagan.
[18:17] <Magog_the_Ogre> I don't mind the amount he went into debt, and what it accomplished.
[18:17] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre there were no temporary raises under Reagan
[18:17] <Steven_Zhang> lol, USSR
�06[18:18] * tommorris salutes our newest ArbCom candidate: Panyd!
[18:18] <Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2011/Candidates&curid=33637655&diff=461847397&oldid=461846315 LOL
[18:18] <Magog_the_Ogre> they were not designed to be permanent, IIRC. they were designed to bankrupt the USSR
[18:18] <jc7368> The News Hour reporting major computer virus. Details have not aired yet
[18:18] <Steven_Zhang> Panyd: hehe
[18:18] <sonia> ...
[18:18] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre err what it accomplished was decoupling of US GDP growth and worker pay
[18:18] <Steven_Zhang> want to be closer to Cavalry, eh?
[18:18] <sonia> wait, I'm confused; is the nom period not over?
[18:18] <Gfoley4> :|
[18:18] <Fluttershy-EN> It will be over today
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[18:18] <sonia> right
[18:18] <sonia> thought it already was
[18:18] <sonia> oops.
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[18:18] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre Wait you actualy think that the US could bancrupt the USSR by going into debt itself?
[18:18] <Steven_Zhang> oh, your name is fiona/
[18:18] <Gfoley4> yeah, that's the reason she nominated herself!
[18:18] <Fluttershy-EN> we need non-admins in the ArbCom
[18:18] <Fluttershy-EN> that's my opinion.
[18:18] <Magog_the_Ogre> yes, with an arms race
[18:18] <Steven_Zhang> never going to happen.
[18:18] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre cause and effect link not aparent
[18:18] <Panyd> It is, there's all sorts of press online about me doing outreach for Wikimedia UK
[18:19] <Panyd> and I'm already identified
[18:19] <Fluttershy-EN> Steven_Zhang, explain why.
[18:19] <Panyd> so I might as well go for it
[18:19] <Panyd> my full name is also on Wikipedia Review
[18:19] <Magog_the_Ogre> USSR says "we have this as our GDP", everyone laughs and says "yeah right"
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> i cant be outed
[18:19] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre you can't have a meaningful armrace with someone who can already nuke you down to bedrock
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> my RL name is Steven_Zhang
[18:19] <Magog_the_Ogre> Reagan starts arms race, USSR won't back down, USSR loses tons of money
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> ya rly
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> Lol, a wikipedia cake
[18:19] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre except there is no significant increase in USSR millitary spending during that period
[18:20] <Magog_the_Ogre> also, if you're asking, I hate GWB. don't know enough about Bush I, Nixon, Johnson, or anyone before them.
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[18:20] <Fluttershy-EN> By the way guys, Nazi Germany was the better autocratic state. I mean, everyone was on the list, not just the minorities.
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[18:20] <Fluttershy-EN> with the USSR.
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[18:21] <Fluttershy-EN> yeah, I killed this room.
[18:21] <Magog_the_Ogre> cracked.com had a nice article today. It was titled something like "why Hitler's poop fetish caused the Holocaust" - and it was actually fairly convincing
[18:21] <Fluttershy-EN> u mad?
[18:21] <Magog_the_Ogre> geniice - I shall return to you with more information at a later date
[18:21] <Steven_Zhang> Doug|afk: ohai
[18:21] <Magog_the_Ogre> I must restudy my details, because they have left my brain
[18:21] <Magog_the_Ogre> and I gtg anyway
[18:21] <mattbuck> thanks Fluffernutter
[18:21] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre based on pop psycology theories that were considered outdated in the 70s
[18:22] <Fluffernutter> np
[18:22] <sonia> Panyd: never expected you to run, but then this year's field is overall strange
[18:22] <Magog_the_Ogre> I disagree geniice
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[18:22] <sonia> and I mean that in a positive way :p
[18:22] <geniice> Magog_the_Ogre you think freudian stuff is valid?
[18:22] <Magog_the_Ogre> I have... how shall I say this?... er... talked with many individuals about their fetishes, and it always comes back to young teenage years or childhood.
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[18:23] <sonia> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stml/6352897929/
[18:23] <Magog_the_Ogre> I think Freud was full of shit on a lot, but he was on the right track about childhood rearing causing thinking patterns for the rest of one's life
[18:23] <Panyd> Fluttershy-EN: the amount of times that has been put on my talkpage is unreal
[18:24] <Magog_the_Ogre> I dont' think everyone has a subconscious desire to have sex with their mom. but I do think a lot of boys become homosexual when they have daddy issues (as impirical evidence shows, IIRC)
[18:24] <Ryulong> question
[18:24] <Fluffernutter> answer
[18:24] <Ryulong> if I can prove the notability of a fictional character from a film, would that not prove the notability of the film itself?
[18:24] <Fluttershy-EN> What was put on your talk page?
[18:24] <Magog_the_Ogre> lol
[18:24] <sonia> Fluttershy-EN: "u mad"
[18:24] <Fluttershy-EN> oh.
[18:24] <BenjicMouse> Do goats dislike brass music instruments or something? Is that a common "thing"? As in they eating tin cans? Wondering because of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhI2qW5Vy1A
[18:25] <geniice> BenjicMouse I think goats were just chosen as a fairly safe option
[18:25] <Magog_the_Ogre> gtg
[18:25] <sonia> Ryulong: mrm, not necessarily if the film itself has not received coverage independent of this one character; like if this film had a really really sexist protagonist and that got put on lots of feminist sites but otherwise it wasn't really watched, I don't think it's notable. Just my vague thoughts.
[18:26] <Ryulong> Well, that is not the issue, as per my usual topic area
[18:26] <BenjicMouse> geniice: Safe?!
[18:26] <BenjicMouse> geniice: What I wonder is the choice of the musical instruments.
[18:26] <BenjicMouse> Are they supposed to make the goats grazy?
[18:26] <BenjicMouse> *crazy
[18:26] <geniice> not that I'm aware of
[18:26] <Ryulong> Neelix has been tagging several articles with {{prod}} and when I remove them because I firmly believe that the subject is notable, and I go about to either fix up the article or find some references, as I have done for one article he has just sent to AFD
[18:28] <Ryulong> And it is particularly difficult to find references for these films because they were not internationally released and they came out in the early 1990s, yet I can find plenty of coverage on the characters from the films themselves due to their reappearances in subsequent media
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[18:29] <sonia> but they may be notable for these subsequent appearances completely separate of the success or failure or general notability of the original film
[18:29] <Ryulong> So what the hell am I supposed to do?
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[18:30] <sonia> let the afd discussion go on?
[18:30] <sonia> and see if people find sources and/or decide if it's notable
[18:30] <Ryulong> As far as I am aware the subject is notable and we have articles on the subject on other language projects
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[18:31] <Ryulong> But the issue still stands that it is very difficult to find sources that support the [[WP:MOVIE]] criteria
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[18:31] <Ryulong> Notability isn't temporary, but there was no Internet in 1994 to have archived news articles on the film
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[18:32] <Ryulong> So because I cannot prove notability now, that means the article has to be deleted?
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[18:33] <BenjicMouse> Is it true that NASCAR cars don't have a way to turn right?
[18:33] <sonia> I... have no idea?
[18:33] <matthewrbowker> BenjicMouse: Yes, they do. THere are a couple races where they go the opposite direction
[18:33] <sonia> Ryulong, I don't know your subject material, but that's the way at least in AfC things work: no sources, no article
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[18:34] <Ryulong> These articles have been around for 5 years
[18:34] <sonia> so...has some vandalism
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[18:34] <Ryulong> And these movies have been around for 20
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[18:34] <BenjicMouse> Hmm...
[18:35] <Ryulong> well, the oldest is 18
[18:36] <BenjicMouse> What is this style called? Seems to have been pretty common in the 1990s. I personally find it really scary: http://i.imgur.com/iKWWo.png I saw some Adobe products with box art similar to that in the 1990s.
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[18:40] <mareklug> BenjicMouse: I think it might fall under Primitivism. Compare for yourself via Google Images: http://www.google.com/search?q=primitivism+art&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=QeHKTpWjJcaI2gWq9-D0Dw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1049&bih=738
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[18:54] <LL2|JedIRC> Wtf
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[19:01] <sonia> oh look a Courcelles
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[19:01] <Fluffernutter> liez
[19:02] <sonia> {{fact}}
[19:03] <Courcelles> Hey Sonia!
[19:03] <sonia> hi! we're disputing your existence as you can see
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[19:06] <Fluffernutter> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/funny-pictures-my-official-monday-face.jpg
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[19:08] <BenjicMouse> mareklug: Hmm... I'm not fully convinced.
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[19:11] <mareklug> BenjicMouse: there is great variety in depictions, artist depending
[19:13] <BenjicMouse> :S
[19:14] <BenjicMouse> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Les_Demoiselles_d'Avignon.jpg
[19:14] <BenjicMouse> I don't see how this is art at all.
[19:14] <BenjicMouse> No skill is required to produce it. Just some time.
[19:14] <BenjicMouse> On the other hand, there are fantastic paintings which are generally not sold at all which are extremely well done.
[19:14] <BenjicMouse> And I don't just mean photo realistic ones.
[19:16] <mareklug> BenjicMouse: did you read the article, about how Picasso went about painting that picture? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Demoiselles_d'Avignon
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[19:16] <BenjicMouse> No. Will now.
[19:18] <BenjicMouse> That's a lot of text for one painting.
[19:18] <BenjicMouse> It annoys me that this insane person with no painting skills has got so much attention and been praised as the "best artist ever".
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[19:18] <BenjicMouse> Of course, this discussion is probably very old and has been brought up countless times.
[19:19] <BenjicMouse> But it just doesn't make sense to me.
[19:19] <BenjicMouse> I mean... it's paintings. You know, where the visuals are everything. So how somebody who cannot draw something that resembles a human being is praised like this is maddening.
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[19:20] <BenjicMouse> I just cannot see the "beauty" in something that any child could replicate.
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[19:24] <Pilif12p> http://i.imgur.com/QAq8d.jpg
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[19:24] <mareklug> BenjicMouse: just scroll down the article and you will see his earlier paintings where he drew people the way you think they ought to be. :) The painting you so hate is an evolution of his technique and thinking.
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[19:29] <sonia> "A Request for Comment was started on November 8 to decide weather or not the article Occupy Wall Street should mention that the movement has been endorsed by the American Nazi Party and the American Communist Party, as well as to determine if anti-Semitism expressed by some of the protesters warranted inclusion. "
[19:31] <kylu> maybe some tea partiers got drunk and ended up at the wrong rally?
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[19:31] <WilliamH_UK> heh
Session Close: Mon Nov 21 19:32:52 2011
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�03[20:17] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[20:17] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�'
�03[20:17] * Set by derp!~omg@bas7-montrealak-1128544932.dsl.bell.ca on Sun Oct 23 20:29:19
[20:17] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
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[20:20] <Steven_Zhang> sigh
[20:21] <geniice> anyone actualy understand the "Horizontal lists have got class" item?
[20:21] <Steven_Zhang> nope
[20:22] <Steven_Zhang> geniice: any arbs in #admins?
[20:22] <geniice> yes
[20:22] <Steven_Zhang> who
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[20:25] <geniice> risker
[20:26] <Logan_> geniice: Yes.
[20:26] <Logan_> It seems that they are trying to standardize horizontal lists using CSS.
[20:26] <Logan_> So that people don't manually put separators in between each item, which puts more load on the servers.
[20:26] <geniice> yes. I don't know what it means by horizontal lists
[20:26] <SigmaWP> geniice: Care to clean CAT:CSD?
[20:27] <Logan_> geniice: As opposed to lists going up and down; horizontal lists are like "Apples | Oranges | SigmaWP"
[20:27] <Logan_> like in navboxes
[20:27] <SigmaWP> ?
[20:27] <SigmaWP> Apples | Oranges | Coal balls
[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> only risker?
[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> bah
[20:29] <SigmaWP> For
[20:29] <SigmaWP> the damn
[20:29] <SigmaWP> GRRRHG
[20:29] <SigmaWP> Gfoley4: Clean CAT:CSD
[20:30] <SigmaWP> WilliamH_UK: Clean CAT:CSD
[20:30] <SigmaWP> And whack a sock while you're at it
[20:30] <Gfoley4> Don't tell us what to do.
[20:31] <SigmaWP> None of you are showing that you have autonomy to do the tasks you wanted the admin tools for
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[20:31] <sonia> ...
[20:31] <sonia> SigmaWP: shush.
[20:31] <sonia> People have things called lives.
[20:32] <Steven_Zhang> he has a point though.
[20:32] <WilliamH_UK> Not really, this is a volunteer project, and no one is under any obligation to do anything.
[20:32] <Gfoley4> excatly
[20:32] <Steven_Zhang> perhaps not, but someone has to do the admin work.
[20:33] <Steven_Zhang> the articles won't delete themselves :P
[20:33] <Gfoley4> I do plenty of admin work.
[20:33] <WilliamH_UK> yup, someone who volunteers to
�08[20:33] <derp> Those who are on Linux and have google earth, do not click on any KML files please.
[20:33] <Gfoley4> Just not at this moment
[20:33] <Gfoley4> derp: Why?
�08[20:33] <derp> Gfoley4 0day
[20:33] <Gfoley4> ?
�08[20:33] <derp> zero day exploit
�08[20:34] <derp> It's a exploit that's released before there is a official fix avaiable.
[20:34] <Gfoley4> oh
�06[20:34] * Gfoley4 clicks Google Earth
�06[20:34] * Gfoley4 waits days for it to open.
�08[20:34] <derp> A Zero Day exploit on Windows is worth 10 000$
�08[20:34] <derp> :P
�08[20:34] <derp> sold in the blackhat market
[20:35] <Gfoley4> (so many placemarks)
[20:35] <Gfoley4> )
[20:35] <Gfoley4> wow
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[20:47] <Steven_Zhang> i need to destress
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[20:50] <SigmaWP> Rowing is gone!
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[20:53] <Ks0stm> SigmaWP: Speaking of rowing...if it keeps raining here all night I might need a rowboat to get to class tomorrow.
�08[20:53] <derp> ie retired or dead
[20:53] <SigmaWP> Is it really that bad?
[20:54] <Ks0stm> Lol it was raining for five minutes or so earlier and the streets were already flooding. They told me Norman floods really bad but I didn't take it that that in itself might be an understatement.
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[20:54] <Gfoley4> fail
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[21:04] <ircdearia> wtf wikipedia? just a few days ago: "If everyone reading this donated us$5, we could end this fundraiser today." Now us$10. More liek "If everyone reading this donated all teh monies, we would still ask for more!"
[21:05] <kylu> so, kinda like PBS.
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[21:05] <sonia> ircdearia: clearly less people are reading :p
[21:05] <kylu> out of idle curiosity, how much did you donate?
[21:06] <ircdearia> sonia, ^_^
[21:06] <SigmaWP> ircdearia: :|
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[21:06] <sonia> aw, c'mon.
[21:06] <ircdearia> kylu, I have never donated to wikipedia and never will. However, I have donated to other organizations, but generally only to ones that never ask. Instead, I offer generously at my own voluntary effort rather than upon request.
[21:07] <SigmaWP> ircdearia: Then why are you complaining?
[21:07] <Mike_H> ircdearia, my for-profit business needs money to pay its bills.
[21:07] <Mike_H> It's not an ask.
[21:07] <kylu> ircdearia: well, if you don't donate, then there's not much cause to complain... also, it's the volunteering on wp that actually /cause/ all the costs.
[21:07] <Mike_H> It's just a statement.
[21:07] <Mike_H> Just so you know. ;)
[21:07] <ircdearia> SigmaWP, Because I noticed the increase from us$5 to us$10? And also because I can?
[21:07] <SigmaWP> :|
[21:08] <kylu> also, the folks in here are the volunteers, not the folks that are asking for the $$
[21:08] <SigmaWP> ^
[21:08] <ircdearia> I know, just ranting in the seemingly most appropriate channel.
[21:09] <Mike_H> "If one person just 'donates' $2000, my business's bills will be paid for the month."
[21:10] <ircdearia> I could survive for the next couple years with that money. ^_^
[21:10] <kylu> with $2k ?
[21:10] <ircdearia> I have no bills.
[21:10] <SigmaWP> I would place your age at around 15 then.
[21:10] <Sir48> he would invest it in stocks and hope for a windfall :)
[21:11] <sonia> 2k would pay off my student loan.
[21:11] <Mike_H> Sir48, "If one person just 'donates' 14.000 DKK, my business's bills will be paid for the month."
[21:11] <ircdearia> I'd rather invest in bitcoin. I've never invested in stocks.
[21:11] <Mike_H> ;D
[21:12] <Sir48> Mike_H: Just put a banner on top of wikipedai pages :)
[21:12] <Mike_H> kylu, get on that
[21:13] <kylu> nak
[21:13] <Sir48> (or change the account# on the donation page)
[21:13] <Sir48> Be bold - it's a wiki :)
[21:14] <Mike_H> lol
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[21:28] <MK`> How should I go about listing multiple different documents from the same source when adding citations? is there a way to group citations together I can use?
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[21:31] <PiRSquared17> Example?
[21:31] <PiRSquared17> MK`: ^
[21:31] <MK`> On this article, with my current working alternative: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Neutral_particle
[21:32] <MK`> but it would be nice it they all said something like [1a] [1b] etc...
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[21:34] <PiRSquared17> <ref group="gov">
[21:34] <PiRSquared17> *ref*
[21:34] <PiRSquared17> </ref>
[21:34] <PiRSquared17> ?
[21:34] <Sir48> or mayby Template:Rp
[21:34] <Sir48> maybe, even
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[21:36] <Steven_Zhang> yey
[21:36] <PiRSquared17> Template:Sfn ?
[21:36] <MK`> I was looking at all those, they didn't seem to be as useful. hmm
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[21:38] <MK`> I think the group idea might work best for me
[21:39] <Sir48> go ahead :-)
[21:39] <PiRSquared17> NAC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_18#Plankton_.28SpongeBob_SquarePants.29.2Fredirects ?
[21:39] <PiRSquared17> Can an admin close?
[21:39] <MK`> ah, excellent, so <references> works with a specific group.
[21:39] <MK`> that is just what I needed, thanks.
[21:40] <PiRSquared17> Yes, that was the group=x option :)
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[21:40] <MK`> Wanted to make sure it worked with both tags
[21:41] <Sir48> nearly everything has been solved - finding the solution among all the possibilities is the challenge :)
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[21:44] <MK`> there we go :D much better
[21:45] <Steven_Zhang> its Chenzw :O
[21:45] <Chenzw> :O
[21:45] <SigmaWP> :O
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[21:46] <Steven_Zhang> i enrolled in the course :)
[21:46] <Steven_Zhang> excited now :D
[21:47] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: The real life MedCab course?
[21:47] <Steven_Zhang> yep, http://www.opencolleges.edu.au/community-services-courses/certificate-iv-in-mediation.aspx
[21:47] <Steven_Zhang> enrolled.
[21:47] <PiRSquared17> Scrabble Wiktionary, anyone?
[21:47] <PiRSquared17> http://st.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=elhtnndy&oldid=10038
[21:47] <Steven_Zhang> :D
[21:48] <sonia> whaaa
[21:48] <sonia> :P
[21:51] <sonia> anyone read the new xkcd?
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[21:51] <Dragonfly6-7> I started to
[21:51] <Dragonfly6-7> but it overflowed me
[21:51] <sonia> heh.
[21:51] <sonia> it's huge.
[21:51] <sonia> the bit about the average worker now and previously, vs the ceos then and now, was kinda striking.
[21:52] <sonia> the rest was full of US-references that I don't get :p
[21:52] <Steven_Zhang> xkcd?
[21:52] <Steven_Zhang> woah
[21:52] <Steven_Zhang> thats huge :o
[21:53] <Steven_Zhang> wtf >_<
[21:54] <Gfoley4> TWSS
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[21:55] <PiRSquared17> http://xkcd.com/978/
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[22:07] <geniice> hmm I actually found a funny youtube comment
[22:07] <geniice> "Ahh. Girl loves Boy, Boy loves gigantic particle collider. A story as old as time."
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[22:07] <geniice> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e1eLe1ihT0
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[22:22] <Pilif12p> hey SigmaWP
[22:22] <Pilif12p> you suck :|
[22:22] <Pilif12p> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scopophobia&diff=next&oldid=461828012
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[22:24] <SigmaWP> :|
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[22:31] <PiRSquared17|afk> http://xkcd.com/256/ bottom right
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[22:42] <SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sturdy_Wings&redirect=no&rcid=475708154# Delete please
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