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--- Log opened Mon May 06 00:00:28 2013
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00:24 < SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: anyway, hi
00:24 < Bradford> è_é
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00:35 < Computron_> Snakker noen norske?
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00:46 < SigmaWP> night
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01:11 < dtm> what do you guys think of the fact that i made the career timeline into both a table and a graph? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walfredo_Reyes,_Jr.#Career
01:11 < dtm> <-------- h a r d c o r e
01:11 < dtm> does that look ok?
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01:14 < kelapstick> I like it
01:16 < darsie> hi
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01:16 < darsie> How can I put an external image in an article (in a talk page actually)?
01:18 < tommorris> darsie: You can't. Images need to be uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons
01:18 < dtm> kelapstick: kthx. anyone else?
01:18 < dtm> can't hurt, huh?
01:18 < darsie> Hmm. So I just can print a link to it.
01:19 < dtm> i arranged them using {{col
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01:40 < dtm> it would seem that the wikignome tool has been buggy for me in chrome. disabling it made my <timeline> functionality work correctly apparently.
01:44 < dtm> the only downside to my arrangement of a table and a graph side by side, is that the graph isn't very readable on a phone. oh well!
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02:01 < Steven_Zhang> hi :P
02:03 < Pandashan> è_é
02:04 < Steven_Zhang> bah
02:04 < Steven_Zhang> all the NACs have been done
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02:06 * tommorris reads AfD
02:06 < tommorris> "That which does not exist cannot be notable."
02:07 < tommorris> Right. Time to go on a deletion spree for religious figures and conspiracy theory articles.
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02:23 < wctaiwan> false premise, when you put it like that
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02:43 < mareklug> wchttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185 Working gun made with 3D printer
02:44 < mareklug> does not say if it survives the first shot.
02:48 < mareklug> "Following a test firing, documented by Forbes, in which a string was used to pull the trigger, Wilson now took the gun into his hands and successfully fired it. Neither him or the weapon suffered any visible damage (sans a cracked pin that used to hold the gun's barrel in place) on that occasion, but the gun did misfire and explode in one of the test firings."
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02:49 < dtm> mareklug: what do you think of the fact that i made the career timeline into both a table and a graph, and side by side? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walfredo_Reyes,_Jr.#Career
02:49 < mareklug> dtm cleaarly you are now ready to 3-D print your first drum kit
02:49 < mareklug> very nice
02:50 < dtm> that's what i'm working toward
02:50 < dtm> however, i fear for the safety of all
02:50 < dtm> i need to know the graph's tensile strength rating, under load
02:52 < dtm> mareklug: but yes that is my goal, secondary only to 1) making you jealous
02:52 < mareklug> dtm oh I wanted to share this with you. I know you of all people will appreciate it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv_8UaP_QRI "Music for pieces of wood" - Steve Reich
02:53 < mareklug> you can only make me jelous by getting a kiss or an autograph or both from Avril Lavigne, or maybe a signed drum.
02:53 < dtm> hm.
02:53 < dtm> yes but i sense your *fear*, which is palpable. <3
02:53 < dtm> that's quite a delicate auxiliary sound
02:54 < dtm> that guy's pretty regular. i wonder if he's a Vulcan.
02:54 < dtm> that's totally what a Vulcan would do.
02:54 < dtm> bbl
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03:27 < mareklug> jubo2 time has come to install Debian 7, another Finnish town name
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03:35 < jubo2> mareklug: oh debian 7 is out..
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03:36 < mareklug> indeed. i'll link ya to the live directory. it is multi-arch (32/64-bit in one) and you can have it as stable or stable+nonfree in 4 different desktops
03:36 < jubo2> mareklug: Porvoo
03:37 < mareklug> http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/
03:37 < Peter-C> Windows 7 <3
03:37 < mareklug> already chose vaasa. I have pori, so the P letter was "taken"
03:38 < mareklug> of course, jubo2, we both name that Vaasa is a singularly Swedish name...
03:38 < jubo2> Vaasa is a proper city, university and everything..
03:38 < mareklug> after the dynasty
03:39 < jubo2> mareklug: It's Vasa in Swedish and Vaasa in Finnish
03:39 < mareklug> and Waza in Polish, I think. We had a king.
03:40 < kondi> Debian 7 comes with xfce 4.8 :\
03:40 < mareklug> three kings, in fact
03:40 < kondi> why not 4.10? :(
03:40 < mareklug> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_III_Waza http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_II_Kazimierz_Waza http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_IV_Waza
03:41 < mareklug> I compiled by hand 4.10 for 6.0.5/6 on even a 1998 Powerbook, not to mention my iMac vm guest, so I can teach you how to do it.
03:41 < mareklug> kondi ^
03:42 < jubo2> mareklug: Do you happen to know if it is much of an hassle to upgrade from 6.0 ..?
03:42 < mareklug> probaby because of the fact that when it ws testing it had 4.8
03:43 < mareklug> i just downloaded 7 outright. in a vm it makes no sense. on a real physical hardware it might, but I warn you, all my previous attempts to upgrade from stable to testing in situ ended up in disasters and broken dependencies and systems that would not boot.
03:43 < jubo2> 'k
03:45 < kondi> mareklug: ah, well then I should get the iso first!
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03:46 < mareklug> it's a very easy installation -- select Install from the live boot menu directly(5th item) and watch it go. It is so simple as compared to many other distros. and no handholding such as look how strong your password is.
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03:47 < mareklug> kondi http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/ you have several choices
03:48 < mareklug> i went with stable+nonfree xfce
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03:50 < Peter-C> WTF
03:50 < Peter-C> Full Sail University is nterested in me
03:50 < Peter-C> What the heck is that?
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03:56 < mareklug> memoserv send TParis http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-give-gun-free-article-1.1335946?localLinksEnabled=false <-- maybe they will give you a pistol :)
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04:29 < kondi> ubuntu has gone bonkers
04:30 < QueenOfFrance> it has?
04:31 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance how many edits to become an editor on de wiki?
04:32 < QueenOfFrance> no clue, I stay away from dewiki
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04:32 < mareklug> I thought you were German
04:33 < QueenOfFrance> No o_O
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04:33 < mareklug> Italian?
04:33 < QueenOfFrance> Yep :)
04:33 < mareklug> Grazie.
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04:34 < JohnLewis> QueenOfFrance: QueenOfItaly would have been an easier title then :)
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04:34 < QueenOfFrance> That would make no sense
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04:42 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance i asked on #wikipedia-de and I received :)
04:42 < QueenOfFrance> :)
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04:47 < wctaiwan> http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ ..
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04:51 < mareklug> kondi jubo2 everything works like a charm right out of the box, networking, bidirectional clipboard, and it seems my host by name.local (I specified .local as the domain, to match the iMac)
04:53 < jubo2> nice.
04:53 < wctaiwan> "a number of countries have built jet-engine-powered trains. Sadly, they never took off. Fortunately, they never took off."
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04:58 < kondi> I thought xfce was the default desktop environment but it seems that they went back to gnome
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05:08 < MadPig> Is it "Well packed." or "Well packaged." when you are commenting on how well something was... packaged/packed? An order?
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05:11 < mareklug> kondi there 4 four defaults
05:12 < mareklug> [05:47:45] <mareklug> kondi http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/ you have several choices
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05:15 < MadPig> Is it "Well packed." or "Well packaged." when you are commenting on how well something was... packaged/packed? An order?
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05:16 < wctaiwan> oh look, debian.
05:16 * wctaiwan likes debian
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05:17 < kondi> hm
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05:34 < mareklug> the only wrinkle I have run into is that the Virtualbox Guest Additions will not mount. albeit some form of it is already active, as the guest plays nice with the host (resizing of window, bi-directional-clipboard, shared folders mounted by default_
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05:36 < wctaiwan> I got it to work the last time I did it. Can't remember what I did, though
05:39 < mareklug> http://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-debian/ <-- the steps are weird, but they work. sigh.
05:39 < wctaiwan> well, so long as they work.
05:41 < mareklug> usually when you click on Devices > Install Guest Additions in the host's menus, it happens automagically, or at least the bloody iso is mounted.
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05:53 < JohnLewis> Any Global Sysop or Stewards who wouldn't mind maybe looking into and blocking an account that is doing cross-wiki spam/vandalism? :)
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06:04 < QueenOfFrance> JohnLewis: wrong channel to find a steward, but I think it's been got already
06:06 < JohnLewis> QueenOfFrance: I just realised I had it in the wrong channel.
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06:50 < mareklug> i thought there is a command line linux/unix utility for showing an image file in X from the command line?
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06:53 < mareklug> it's display, but you have install image-magick
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11:59 < SoapX> seriously
12:00 < SoapX> they probably just called it Times Roman up tio that point though
12:01 < Pharos> Times Punic!
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12:02 < Sarcasm> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lotus_Elise_GT1&action=history does this need revdel?
12:03 < Sarcasm> The emails, I mean
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12:04 < SoapX> i thought hotmail just went offline
12:04 < SoapX> they probably are forwarding emails or something
12:04 < TheLordOfTime> SoapX: hotmail turned into outlook.com
12:04 < TheLordOfTime> i think they kept the domain though
12:05 < SoapX> yeah, itd be pretty bad planning to just bounce every hotmail address to nowhere
12:06 < TheLordOfTime> SoapX: they did this when live.com was what hotmail became
12:07 < TheLordOfTime> hotmail.com addresses were still processed (but you couldn't register new hotmail.coms)
12:07 < TheLordOfTime> they probably did the same here
12:08 < SoapX> wait really?
12:08 < SoapX> you mean hotmail.com has been "down" for years already? in the sense that you couldnt get a new hotmail address?
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12:09 < SoapX> i dont think that needs revdel, btw
12:09 < SoapX> there's nothing attachged to it
12:09 < TheLordOfTime> SoapX: they changed the "no new hotmail.com addresses" recently
12:09 < TheLordOfTime> a little before the outlook.com switch
12:09 < TheLordOfTime> NO CLUE whether that's still the case
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12:11 < moogsi> SoapX: Time Roman is a related but different font
12:11 < moogsi> *Times
12:11 < legoktm> SoapX: http://gizmodo.com/5930759/the-outlookcom-email-addresses-microsoft-should-have-reserved
12:11 < SoapX> oh what let me guess
12:11 < legoktm> someone got donotreply@outlook.com
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12:12 < SoapX> yeah
12:12 < SoapX> gates, ballmer, etc
12:12 < SoapX> but no obama
12:13 < SoapX> and there's a blog featuring emails from the fake Ballmer account
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12:16 < legoktm> http://gizmodo.com/the-10-most-useful-lego-bricks-493088302
12:20 < darev> n8
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12:21 < RhesusMinus> SoapX: Why do you keep making that retarded joke about "Times Old Roman"?
12:21 < RhesusMinus> Did you even look at the article?
12:21 < RhesusMinus> Times New Roman is not "new" in any way.
12:21 < RhesusMinus> It's just a variation name of Times Roman.
12:22 < RhesusMinus> I am asking what the magazine The Times used before 1930 when it got the new font.
12:22 < SoapX> that was my serious answer
12:22 < moogsi> RhesusMinus: can't actually find anything but i suspect the answer is in http://books.google.com/books/about/Memorandum_on_a_Proposal_to_Revise_the_T.html?id=JnH-SAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
12:22 < moogsi> and its supplement
12:22 < moogsi> he writes about all the typefaces ever used by The Times
12:22 < RhesusMinus> I have to order that book?
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12:22 < moogsi> not necessarily
12:23 < Jetro> fuck
12:23 < Jetro> Windows found out it wasn't genuine :|
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12:24 < moogsi> you might find something online but all the sources i can fins say he criticized the typography of the times in "an essay" in 1929 (no title), and he was commissioned to redesign it, and the memorandum was everything he thought about the problem
12:24 < moogsi> and Times New Roman was the result
12:25 < moogsi> this is just googling, not proper research or anything
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12:30 < moogsi> Jetro: Genuine Microsoft Product Squad has been despatched, you've got about 20 minutes until they break your door down
12:30 < Jetro> oh dear ohdear oh dear
12:30 < moogsi> put your hard drive in the microwave and make a break for the border
12:31 < Jetro> :D
12:31 < Jetro> baby let's make a run for the border
12:32 < Jetro> I've got a hunger only tacos can stop
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13:01 < russavia> jetro -- did you see depression month last month? this is real depressing -- http://i.imgur.com/UIxJbX6.png
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13:06 < mareklug> SoapX do read the bloody article. The type, a kind of Roman serif, was comissioned for The Times. It did not exist before then, there were similar typefaces.
13:06 < RhesusMinus> Times [New ]Roman looks very classic, though. 1930s feels too late. But I suppose the one used prior to it was very similar.
13:06 < mareklug> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_New_Roman
13:07 < Jetro> oh russavia what the fuck :(
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13:07 < Jetro> mareklug: Do not swear like that in front of me
13:07 < mareklug> Roman type can be seen on edifices of buildings dating from classic Roman Empire, so....
13:07 < Jetro> Saying that word of the name of the worst font in the universe
13:08 < mareklug> Jetro there are worse fonts tahn Times Roman,
13:08 < Jetro> No there isn't
13:08 < mareklug> for example Comic Sans
13:08 < Jetro> Not even Comic Sans
13:08 < Jetro> no
13:08 < Jetro> :D
13:09 < Jetro> Because it isn't used nearly enough like fucking Times
13:09 < Jetro> Also Comic sans is good for.. wait for it, comics
13:09 < Jetro> It's just used wrong
13:09 < Jetro> Luckily Calibri has come
13:09 < mareklug> ther are other Roman typefaces. You can use Garamond if you are classy
13:09 < QueenOfFrance> comic sanse is just wrong, not used wrong
13:09 < QueenOfFrance> *comic sans
13:10 < Jetro> mareklug, sure, I have nothing against that type of fonts, just Times... yesh
13:10 < Jetro> QueenOfFrance: No. Go back to your throne
13:10 < QueenOfFrance> Verdana forever!
13:10 < SoapX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EurostileSpec.svg
13:11 < Jetro> Verdana is so BIG
13:11 < TBloemink> Wingdings, QueenOfFrance
13:11 < Jetro> And looks ugly with anything above 10px imo
13:11 < Jetro> Eurostile <3
13:11 < QueenOfFrance> Yeah, I don't actually use Verdana, I use arial
13:11 < QueenOfFrance> But I rather like the look and clarity of it
13:11 < Jetro> But Helvetica is much nicer than Arial
13:11 < SoapX> Palatino Linotype is my favorite serif font and Eurostile is my favorite sans serif
13:11 < Jetro> Arial is like the kid that sings just a bit off
13:11 < QueenOfFrance> Jetro: isn't helvetica a bit wider?
13:11 < Jetro> SoapX: Good taste, man
13:11 < mareklug> Jetro I would say Eurostile is a far more disgusting invention and far less useful than Times Roman.
13:11 < sam> Arial is just a badly done copy of Helvetica
13:11 < Jetro> No they are like exactly the same... except for some curves that Arial had to change
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13:12 < Jetro> Windows even often interpretes Helvetica as Arial, for some weird reason
13:12 < sam> http://hipsterhitler.com/comics/typewriter/
13:12 < Jetro> interprets*?
13:12 < Jetro> I dunno
13:12 < mareklug> Jetro if you knew font design, you would know that Arial is ugly and Helvetica is beautiful. Compare the lowercase a at large magnification.
13:12 < Jetro> mareklug but you don't use Eurostile for everything, and no, you're wrong :D
13:12 < Jetro> Yeah I know the differences
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13:12 < Jetro> But they are minor if you don't look closely
13:12 < Jetro> And one isn't wider
13:13 < Jetro> Trust me, I don't hate Arial just cause it's hip
13:13 < mareklug> it was DESIGNED not to be FUCKING WIDER, so how can it be WIDER?
13:13 < Jetro> wth
13:13 < Jetro> I'm saying it's not wider
13:13 < Jetro> I never said it was
13:13 < QueenOfFrance> Jetro: I think mareklug is meaning to be yelling at me, not you
13:13 < Jetro> yeah but
13:14 < d_> Looks like I walked into a conversation about typefaces
13:14 < mareklug> Arial was designed as a poor man's substitution of Helvetica. Or rather, a rich corporation's substituion, to avoid licensing. Microsoft.
13:14 < Jetro> _TAKE A CHILL PILL_
13:14 < d_> Always a topic with many strong opinions voiced
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13:14 < Jetro> d_ you did indeed
13:14 < QueenOfFrance> mareklug: Jetro is in full agreement with you about helvetica's superiority...
13:14 < Jetro> <3
13:14 < mareklug> good for Jetro
13:14 < QueenOfFrance> He was specifically correcting me about my mistaken assumption that helvetica was wider
13:15 < Jetro> It's like Microsoft cloned a child, and then had to make it badder somehow
13:15 < Jetro> Yeah sure
13:15 < Jetro> just did not get the sudden rage outburst
13:15 < mareklug> Jetro if I had more Norwegian smoked fish in my diet, I would be calmer. It is your own fault for not sending me any yet.
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13:16 < Jetro> Sorry, I don't know where to get it
13:16 < Jetro> :()
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13:16 < mareklug> downtown, turn left, go to the port.
13:16 < Jetro> oh
13:16 < Jetro> you might be right
13:16 < Jetro> but then again
13:16 < Jetro> bother
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13:18 < QueenOfFrance> I've looked at Eurostile, looks really beautiful :o
13:18 < Jetro> It's like retro
13:18 < Jetro> 10 years ago Donald Duck magazines started using a wide Eurostile font, so I tweaked it myself and tried to copy it
13:18 < mareklug> QueenOfFrance Jetro http://thenextweb.com/dd/2013/04/08/23-of-the-most-beautiful-typeface-designs-released-last-month/
13:18 < Jetro> But of course there is already a wide Eurostile out there
13:19 < Jetro> But the funny thing is fonts are subjective anyway :D
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13:19 < russavia> comic sans all the way!
13:19 < Jetro> Fuck you
13:19 < d_> Partly
13:20 < QueenOfFrance> Comic Sanse is the only thing that reaaaally annoyes me
13:20 < d_> If you use comic sans for body text, a lot of people will find it difficult to read
13:20 < d_> that's not subjective
13:20 < russavia> we should make comic sans the default font for teh wiki
13:20 < Jetro> Oh, if they aren't free I'm not interested
13:20 < russavia> in fact, we should make its use compulsory
13:20 < a930913> I'm told that Comic Sans differentiates between 1, I and L.
13:20 < d_> At least for the [edit] links
13:20 < Jetro> d_: Sure, readability and such, but like aestethics-wise or whatever it's called
13:20 < d_> So that people notice them
13:20 < QueenOfFrance> russavia: we should reinstate your arbcom ban, this time for font heresy
13:21 < tommorris> so, we should make it so that comic-sans-only is an alternative to blocking.
13:21 < QueenOfFrance> Wow
13:21 < QueenOfFrance> that's a good idea
13:21 < QueenOfFrance> something like bright green
13:21 < QueenOfFrance> comic sans
13:21 < QueenOfFrance> I think that's not allowed in the US tho, "cruel and unusual punishment"
13:21 < QueenOfFrance> etc
13:21 < a930913> No way to enforce it though ;)
13:22 < Jetro> Yeah, bright green Comic Sans, PHAT, on white background
13:22 < Jetro> Anyone who's not into it we just put a WP:DISTURB on
13:22 < d_> Write a flash applet for rendering the entirety of wikipedia
13:22 < d_> force comic sans
13:22 < d_> done
13:22 < russavia> i shall start an RFC on my return in a week's time
13:23 < mareklug> here is a bombshell http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/06/after-nearly-10-years-adobe-abandons-its-creative-suite-entirely-to-focus-on-creative-cloud/
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13:23 < QueenOfFrance> mareklug: really?
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13:23 < Jetro> I like Analog
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13:23 < QueenOfFrance> that seems... a bold and risky move
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13:24 < d_> But... the cloud is the future, maaaan
13:24 < mareklug> they must not be selling, and they probably think PCs/Macs are going down. But what about the professionals?
13:24 < d_> How else will adobe compete with instagram and its plethora of filters
13:24 < RhesusMinus> "23 Of the most beautiful typeface designs released last month" <- That must be the least exciting headline I've ever read.
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13:25 < RhesusMinus> It's like "Event participated in by some".
13:25 < RhesusMinus> Not the 23 best typefaces. Just 23 of the best... of last month?
13:25 < mareklug> RhesusMinus you prefer headlies about LiLo and whoever having the next catfight?
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13:25 < Jetro> Haha
13:25 < Jetro> Didn't notice that until now, good point
13:25 < QueenOfFrance> the thing with these stupid cloud things is that they stop working when you don't have internet
13:26 < QueenOfFrance> which is not as uncommon as they think
13:26 < mareklug> very good point. and some high-security environments don't want any net.
13:26 < RhesusMinus> Not to mention you sign away 100% of the control and privacy.
13:26 < RhesusMinus> Not having Internet connection is NOT the main point.
13:26 < d_> On the plus side, you get to pay someone for software as a service instead of having it locally for yourself
13:26 < QueenOfFrance> I will kill the next person on ITN/C that doesn't read the bloody article >.<
13:27 < RhesusMinus> The Adobe keynote earlier today was a crapfest of buzzwords.
13:27 < RhesusMinus> "BLABLABLA CLOUD BLABLABLA SOCIAL BLABLABLA COLLABORATE BLABLABLA WE'RE EXCITED TO BLABLABLA"
13:27 < RhesusMinus> I didn't get one second of footage from the new Premiere Pro.
13:27 < mareklug> Jetro here is something for you. go buy yourself a disk first. http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/05/01/google-teams-up-with-monotype-to-let-you-download-the-entire-google-web-fonts-catalog/
13:27 < RhesusMinus> The only thing I wanted to see.
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13:28 < QueenOfFrance> RhesusMinus: the TL;DR is "We want your money and we found a way to charge you moneys forever"
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13:29 < d_> I'm sure Photoshop will still be on every torrent tracker out there
13:29 < Jetro> Hey, mareklug, I have quite a few of them google fonts
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13:29 < Jetro> or fonts put on google or whatever
13:30 < moogsi> they could change the Google logo, it's ugly as hell
13:30 < Jetro> Google knows hsit about design anyway
13:30 < moogsi> OR, they can never ever change it ever cos it's got too much brand recognition
13:31 < Jetro> Funny thing is, 10 years ago, every goddamn company changed their logo to give it a glass and glossy sparkle
13:31 < Jetro> Now, everyone reverts to their old one
13:31 < Jetro> Like Coca Cola, Burger King etc.
13:31 < Jetro> They all had to have that reflection glossy shit before
13:31 < Carly|away> O.O
13:31 < Jetro> Carly|away :D
13:33 < Carly|away> Jetro hi
13:33 < mareklug> Jetro but the Monotype fonts should be ok
13:33 < Jetro> For what?
13:33 < Jetro> Carly punch punch punch
13:33 < moogsi> well they changed the chrome logo from that weird glassy blob to something more flat
13:33 < mareklug> for designing books and brochures and websites
13:33 < moogsi> that was a tiny step in the right direction
13:33 < Carly|away> Jetro :|
13:33 < Carly|away> :D
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13:34 < Jetro> moogsi: Ah, good find
13:34 < Carly|away> Jetro go to punch your mom
13:34 < Carly|away> :D
13:35 < moogsi> Kellogg's did a promotion last year where they changed their packaging to the ones from 50 years ago, and it was really striking how much better they looked
13:35 < Jetro> yes
13:35 < Jetro> And so did Coke
13:35 < Jetro> Coca Cola
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13:35 < Jetro> I thought they wouldn't do that since it looked old-fashioned
13:36 < Jetro> but I guess not
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13:36 < moogsi> and i'm not usually one to say "things used to be better" but the Rice Krispies box especially made your eyes want to vomit, the old one was 1000x improvement
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13:39 < moogsi> i don't think Coke looks hugely different now compared to 50 years ago, especially if you get the glass bottles
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13:39 < Jetro> No exactly
13:39 < Carly|Away> Eeh
13:39 < Carly|Away> Jetro punchhhh
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14:05 < legoktm> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Scope_of_Ombudsman_Commission
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14:12 < mareklug> legoktm basically, putting more teeth into the Ombudsmen. :)
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14:49 < Qcoder00> Question
14:49 < Qcoder00> : Is the scor extension enabled at enwiki?
14:49 < Qcoder00> *Score
14:49 < SoapX> doubt it
14:51 < QueenOfFrance> Qcoder00: that's what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version is for :)
14:51 < QueenOfFrance> and I don't see any such extension listed
14:51 < Qcoder00> So how come it works in my sandbox?
14:51 < Qcoder00> XD
14:51 < Qcoder00> This is BIG Bang stuff
14:52 < a930913> How can I query for all edits of a given user on a given page?
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14:53 < QueenOfFrance> a930913: I think there's some ts tool for this
14:53 < Qcoder00> And as it's seemingly possible to convert MID-> OGG on the fly...
14:53 < QueenOfFrance> but who knows which it is
14:53 < QueenOfFrance> Qcoder00: why would one do that
14:54 < SoapX> a930913 yeah just use the tool
14:54 < Qcoder00> Because if it's OGG you can play it in a browser, if it's MIDI you can't
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14:54 < SoapX> ive never had any troubler getting MIDI to play in a browser
14:54 < QueenOfFrance> Qcoder00: uh? you can play mid in a browser....
14:54 < SoapX> in fact it's kind of annoying when a webpage loads it automatically but that seems to be pretty rare these days, unlike say 10 yrs ago
14:54 < a930913> What/who's the tool?
14:54 < Qcoder00> SoapX, I can't natively in Firefoc
14:54 < QueenOfFrance> I'm pretty sure .mid is much better supposed than .ogg
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14:55 < SoapX> a930913: on any article history page there shoudl be a link that says "User edits"
14:57 < Qcoder00> SoapX: Whenever I click a MIDI link in Firefox it doesn't playback, it downloads (usally into Quicktime) rathe then being embeded
14:57 < Qcoder00> The OGG Player embeds EVERY time...
14:57 < Qcoder00> (And it should be possible to get a consistent Instrument set)
14:57 < QueenOfFrance> that simply depends on what your setup is
14:57 < QueenOfFrance> what you're using to handle the files, etc
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14:59 < SoapX> tell quicktime to quit it then
14:59 < SoapX> give control back to the browser
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14:59 < Jetro> QUicktime hahahah
15:00 < Jetro> Does anyone use that shit
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15:00 < SoapX> thats like using Photoshop to open up a 16x16 icon
15:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX and use the stamp tool?
15:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can people tell if you photoshop a 16x16?
15:02 < a930913> SoapX: Ah, got them. Thanks. Now to parse :)
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15:04 < SoapX> http://boyscouttrail.com/content/song/on_top_of_old_smokey-496.asp <---0--- see if you can playu the MIDI in that page
15:04 < SoapX> if not, time to get a better browser
15:05 < SoapX> anything less than 20 years old should be fine
15:05 < jorm> So, this is happening: http://www.gaijin.com/2013/05/a-cease-and-desist-demand-from-gaijin-entertainment/
15:06 < SoapX> ah they want the domain name
15:07 < SoapX> who owns gaijin.com? I see your name there, is it you or are you just hosting content there?
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15:07 < SoapX> ah yeah I see
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15:08 < SoapX> theyre pulling a Nissan
15:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jorm Mike Godwin is your attorney?
15:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dear lord
15:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> would nazis be mentioned?
15:09 < jorm> In this instance, yes.
15:09 < jorm> I own gaijin.com
15:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nice
15:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you should invoke godwins law <3
15:09 < mareklug> jorm don't lose any sleep over it.
15:10 < SoapX> this might actually be a tough case
15:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no?
15:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> trademarks dont work that way
15:10 < SoapX> it's more or less the exact same thing that Nissan is arguing to get access to nissan.com
15:10 < jorm> This is not a tough case. This is someone trying to bully me.
15:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you cannot take over a site through trademarks alone
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15:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jorm you can sue them for the emotional damage
15:11 < mareklug> well, how old is this nissan.com? if it predates the existence of NIssan (which I doubt), we would have an analogy here. jorm's website predates the Russians
15:11 < SoapX> it makes me wish I had registered something like that a long time ago when I was just getting into the Internet
15:11 < SoapX> it does
15:11 < SoapX> nissan.com was registwered in 1994 or so
15:11 < SoapX> Nissan the car company is older, but wasnt selling anything in the US as Nissan at the time
15:11 < mareklug> and NIssan the automaker was not arround in 1994? I think it was.
15:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX I can have a company named Nissan that sells somehting unrelated to cars
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15:12 < QueenOfFrance> SoapX: oh dear that guy's website is horrible
15:12 < mareklug> you just can't have a restaurant called Olympic, or they hang you by the balls. :) :)
15:13 < QueenOfFrance> I support Nissan's claim to take over that domain based on the fact that the website's design is incredibly annoying.
15:13 < SoapX> Uzi Nissan sold cars at one point
15:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.clickmyslice.com/restaurants/index.php?restaurantId=191
15:13 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIssan
15:13 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan
15:13 < SoapX> Uzi Nissan is like 80 years old now, he probably isnt really maintaining the website
15:14 < mareklug> Founded December 26, 1933
15:14 < mareklug> SoapX "From 1993 to 2002, Nissan partnered with Ford to market the Mercury Villager and the Nissan Quest." that alone predates the 1994 mark you said applied to the nissan.com squater.
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15:14 < foks> Boxing Day, heh
15:15 < SoapX> i think theyre basically waiting for him to die in the hopes that the family business will give up and just sell the .com for $1 million or something
15:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jorm pm
15:15 < foks> jorm has owned gaijin.com since I was two years old.
15:15 < SoapX> Uzi Nissan appparently also owns digest.com
15:16 < SoapX> ok so he was born in 1951, not as old as I thoguht
15:16 < SoapX> i cant read Hebrew'
15:16 < Jetro> Omfg that webpage looks so modern
15:16 < SoapX> maybe the 1951 is not his birth
15:17 < mareklug> SoapX I completely forgot about Datsun. That car was around for decades before nissan.com "The company formed a U.S. subsidiary, Nissan Motor Corporation U.S.A., in 1959, headed by Yutaka Katayama. Nissan continued to improve their sedans with the latest technological advancements and chic Italianate styling in sporty cars such as the Datsun Fairlady roadsters, the race-winning 411 series, the Datsun 510 and the world-class Datsun 240Z,
15:17 < mareklug> and by 1970, they had become one of the world's largest exporters of automobiles."
15:17 < SoapX> ah yeah it is 1951
15:18 < SoapX> well anyway Uzi Nissan has pretty much won
15:18 < MBisanz> how do I right justify my edit tab?
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15:24 < mareklug> meh. the way back machine conks out for me around june 1997, and I had internet presence at this address for several years earlier: http://web.archive.org/web/19970616025524/http://www.enteract.com/~marek/asgp/chapbook.html
15:26 < mareklug> MBisanz I thought ther eis a preference that governs where the edit LINK lies on the page, hugging the section title or flush with the margin, but the edit TAB?
15:26 < d_> I don't think there is a preference
15:26 < d_> WMF handed down a decree that [edit] links have to be against section titles
15:26 < legoktm> lemme find it
15:26 < d_> You can override it with custom CSS
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15:27 < MBisanz> oh well, i fixed it
15:27 < legoktm> MBisanz: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Change_to_section_edit_links#If_you_don.27t_like_this_change
15:27 < MBisanz> yeah thanks legoktm
15:27 < legoktm> .ltr .mw-editsection {
15:27 < legoktm> float: right;
15:27 < legoktm> }
15:27 < legoktm> np :)
15:27 < legoktm> my internet is so slow right now :/
15:28 < mareklug> MBisanz on pl wiki they did make it in to a gadget pref: Przesuń linki [ edytuj ] przy sekcjach w lewo.
15:28 < MBisanz> ahh
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15:29 < mareklug> d_ why do Poles make gadgets, and en wiki suffers from edicts? :)
15:30 < d_> Well, it's apparently meant to go into effect on all Wikipedias
15:30 < d_> They've done usability research and that's what they came up with
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15:30 < foks> It's been in effect on a lot of wikipedias for years now
15:31 < IDoH> Hey guys.
15:31 < IDoH> What is, foks?
15:31 < mareklug> d_ I see. as of May 8. I wonder if this will bork the pl gadget.
15:31 < foks> The Edit link being moved, isoh
15:31 < foks> * idoh
15:31 < d_> at the very least it'll render it redundant
15:31 < IDoH> The edit link being moved where, foks?
15:31 < moogsi> i dunno, it's probably well-founded... it'll just be a case of "they changed it now it sucks" for a lot of people though
15:32 < foks> Next to headings
15:32 < mareklug> d_ you meant, permanently switched on. the way it works now, it offers a choice. )
15:32 < foks> moogsi, like everything onwiki
15:32 < d_> I don't mind, but I overrode it since it'd mean having to get used to it
15:33 < d_> Although I did get used to "edit source," so I guess I'm not too old of a dog
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15:33 < mareklug> i like it hugging the section title. it also means less problems with pictures in layouts.
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15:33 < IDoH> I don't notice much of a difference.
15:33 < d_> Well, it makes it more noticeable and makes people click it more
15:33 < d_> According to scientific research
15:33 < d_> Which makes it true
15:33 < foks> I don't really care where it is
15:34 < mareklug> the problem with it at margin is that it caued unsighly bunching of edit links due to known div bug.
15:34 < MJ94> I dream of mareklug.
15:34 < mareklug> MJ94 this is not healthy. you should dream of IDoH
15:34 < mareklug> then it would be a chain dream
15:34 < MJ94> BUT THAT'S LIKE INCEPTION
15:35 < IDoH> LOL
15:35 < MJ94> A DREAM IN A DREAM
15:35 < MJ94> mareklug: you beat me to the punchline :(
15:35 < mareklug> I am faster. taht is why I win the gunslingings
15:36 * MJ94 slaps mareklug around a bit with a large trout
15:36 < MJ94> haha!
15:36 * mareklug calmly takes the trout, debones it, cooks it and eats it, and then methodically sticks the bones into MJ94's...
15:37 < MJ94> into my nose?!?!
15:37 < mareklug> I will leave you guessing. It is more unsettling that way.
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15:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> MJ94 so
15:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> would you mind if I pm?
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15:38 < MJ94> ToAruShiroiNeko: feel free
15:39 < MJ94> mareklug: I am unnaturally unsettled by you to begin with.
15:39 < mareklug> do you need a settlement?
15:40 < mareklug> does it have to be incorporated?
15:41 < MJ94> ToAruShiroiNeko: You gonna PM me?
15:41 < MJ94> mareklug: mystery incorporated.
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15:49 < mareklug> it's amazing how much faster Time Machine backs up over FireWire 800 than even 243 Mbps Wi-Fi. Can't wait for the 802.11ac to get here.
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15:55 < MJ94> mareklug: We have the best client ever.
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16:03 < SoapX> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Sandbox&diff=553099176&oldid=552962095
16:03 < SoapX> what is this?
16:03 < SoapX> someone is saying that with the new Echo interface, you can get a notification when someone types a link to your userpage?
16:04 < Bazinga> SoapX: yes
16:04 < Bazinga> that happens/
16:05 < a930913> SoapX: {{replyto}}
16:05 < a930913> No more {{talkback}}
16:05 < SoapX> oh it has to be a template
16:06 < d_> Why does it start with an "@"
16:06 < d_> Goddammit, twitter, you ruin everything
16:06 < SoapX> so not every time someone types a link to your name will trigger the notification
16:06 < legoktm> SoapX: no anytime a link is made and signed, you get notified
16:06 < legoktm> so
16:06 < legoktm> [[User:Soap]] ~~~~ is the bare minimum
16:06 < SoapX> how does the bot know whether it comes from a template?
16:06 < kelapstick> no it doesn't have to be a template, just a wikilink, using {{user}} doesn't work
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16:06 < SoapX> ok
16:06 < kelapstick> haven't tried the replyto though
16:06 < SoapX> im curious how it works even so
16:07 < SoapX> is there some code in there that tells the MediaWiki software to send a message?
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16:07 < legoktm> it checks that a link was added that points to your user page
16:07 < legoktm> which triggers the notification
16:07 < SoapX> The comment must be signed and belong to a section in order for the notification to work.|
16:07 < d_> Does it work in any namespace?
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16:08 < SoapX> Im guessing this has something to do with LiquidThreads/Flow, where in someone replying to someone else will automatically type out the name of the person theyre replying to
16:08 < kelapstick> I think just user talk, maybe on talk pages too
16:08 < legoktm> d_: i *think* its only all talk namespaces + project
16:08 < HectorAE> If someone adds more than one link to your page in one edit, does that trigger multiple notifications?
16:08 < SoapX> but for now, it can be replicated by just typing the name manually or using a {{replyto}} template
16:08 < legoktm> HectorAE: no
16:08 < legoktm> SoapX: basically yes.
16:08 < a930913> Two questions.
16:09 < a930913> Why can't I access wikipedia via https?
16:09 < a930913> And is wikipedia under a vandalism attack?
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16:10 < mareklug> a930913 I can.
16:10 < kuzetsa> a930913: I just tested, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page works for me
16:11 < legoktm> wfm
16:11 < kuzetsa> vandalism... hmm
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16:11 < mareklug> a930913 see if you can access via a proxy
16:11 < kuzetsa> somehow my brain auto-substituted / correted that as "DoS"
16:11 < mareklug> a930913 see if you can access anything via https
16:12 < a930913> Https google works.
16:12 < Krenair> a930913, what happens when you try to access via https?
16:12 < moogsi> it's not a Vandal attack, it's a Visigoth attack, and you're a racist
16:13 < moogsi> and i
16:13 < Krenair> <SoapX> how does the bot know whether it comes from a template?
16:13 < Krenair> Um what? Echo is not a bot.
16:13 < moogsi> am not even slightly funny :(
16:13 < Krenair> Echo runs directly as an extension of MediaWiki
16:13 * moogsi crawls into a hole and thinks about his life
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16:15 < SoapX> well whatever you want to call the program that reads every diff
16:15 < SoapX> i understand it's not a literal bot with an account name and everything but the functionality is similar
16:15 < Krenair> Echo doesn't really tell MediaWiki to send a message (although it does use MW's user emailing class)
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16:16 < Krenair> It implements a notification system itself
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16:17 < d_> Right, but Echo also incorporates the code that checks for mentions when stuff is posted, right?
16:17 < irksome> when did section editing links move from the far right hand side to next to the section header?
16:17 < d_> Today?
16:17 < irksome> is there any way to change it back?
16:18 < d_> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Change_to_section_edit_links#If_you_don.27t_like_this_change
16:18 < Krenair> Echo registers some functions which get called when stuff is edited, yes.
16:18 < Krenair> That's called the hook system
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16:20 < Krenair> When these functions get called it looks through the provided information for mentions
16:20 < SoapX> ok
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16:30 < legoktm> a930913: [06:24:28 PM] <LeslieCarr> hey, possible issue with esams ssl
16:31 < Krenair> a930913, hello? Can you get a traceroute to wikipedia please?
16:31 < MBisanz> StevenW: While I'm opposed to Echo, I don't really care about the edit section link moving. However, in the general case, something like the Federal Register might be useful to the WMF.
16:31 < Krenair> Opposed to Echo?
16:32 < MBisanz> Like, one document, mailed (talkpaged) monthly to users that lays out what changes are being proposed, why, why they are a net positive, what they'll look like, and when, for example.
16:32 < TParis> Mbisanz: I dont know if we can be friends if you don't like echo.
16:32 < MBisanz> Krenair: it's functionally invisible to new users.
16:32 < d_> There's the tech report
16:32 < Krenair> MBisanz, wat?
16:32 < Krenair> Invisible?
16:32 < MBisanz> d_: right, but that doesn't lay out the why or why better part.
16:32 < d_> But that is somewhat broader in scope than just the changes that directly affect users
16:32 < StevenW> yeah there's a comprehensive engineering report every month
16:33 < MBisanz> StevenW: an engineering report isn't what i'm talking about
16:33 < StevenW> Speaking of advertising stuff like this: is it just me or has there not been a Signpost tech section for a couple weeks?
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16:33 < MBisanz> i'm talking more about a justification type thing
16:34 < MBisanz> like "we thought X could be a problem, we researched it and found that Y won't be a problem because of Z."
16:34 < MBisanz> then when people like risker say "move it back."
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16:34 < MBisanz> you can be all "our release showed that 5% of people were more likely to click it."
16:34 < MBisanz> which might be buried in the egineering report
16:34 < StevenW> Coordinating one document is the trick for that. There are many teams making changes that people might object to, not to mention volunteer developers.
16:34 < MBisanz> but it could be standardized
16:34 < StevenW> The section edit change, for instance, was patched by a volunteer.
16:35 < MBisanz> oh i knwo the difficulties of big organizations, it's just an idea
16:35 < MBisanz> i'm in a federal agency right now and i'm in the bureau of economics
16:35 < MBisanz> so i'm learning all about how to justify policy changes
16:35 < Krenair> Federal agency justifies policy changes after they've been made?
16:35 < TParis> MBisanz: The most important talent you can have in the federal government is learning to 'justify'
16:36 < MBisanz> Krenair: both before and after
16:37 < MBisanz> TParis: I know that. I managed to expand a license application from 18 pages to 214 by supplementing with white paper attachments.
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16:39 < SoapX> thats a lot
16:39 < SoapX> i didnt know you worked for the Fed
16:39 < a930913> Krenair: PM it?
16:40 < Krenair> a930913, can you put it on pastebin?
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16:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/06/us/utah-soccer-death/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
16:42 < Bazinga> SoapX: can you help
16:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what kind of a moron would attack a referee over a game?
16:42 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away
16:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a GAME!
16:42 < d_> Hey, some people riot over sports
16:42 -!- Guest28293 is now known as I
16:43 < a930913> Krenair: http://pastebin.com/Qwb9B0EU
16:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they dont attack the referee though
16:43 < SoapX> hi
16:43 < a930913> It occured to me. The first notice a vandal will get about vandalising, is a block.
16:44 < a930913> They won't be getting the orange banner, nor an echo notify.
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16:44 < Krenair> Why won't they be getting an echo notification?
16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we should send in SWAT to those who vandalise
16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Special Wikipedia Admin Team
16:45 < d_> Hold them at gunpoint on the floor of their bedroom at 3am while they're in their underwear
16:45 < a930913> Krenair: I read that only registered users get notifications.
16:45 < d_> and yell "DID YOU ADD THE WORD 'boner' TO THE ARTICLE ON THE ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT?"
16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> d_ they dont get the dignity of wearing underwear
16:46 < Shirik> I volunteer for SWAT
16:46 -!- Fluff|sleep is now known as Fluff|away
16:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "Drop the keyboard!" "On you knees!"
16:46 < Bazinga> oh god...
16:47 < Bazinga> they're already 3D printing guns
16:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "You are in my spot sir!"
16:47 < MBisanz> SoapX: for another 2 weeks
16:47 < Krenair> a930913, they still get the OBOD though
16:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Bazinga nothing new
16:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> printed guns dont fire well though
16:47 < d_> Need to figure out how to 3D print with metal alloys
16:47 < d_> at home
16:47 < SoapX> orange bar was better
16:47 < Krenair> One of the checks done before hiding the bar is '$user->isLoggedIn()'
16:47 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away
16:47 < a930913> Krenair: They do? I read contrary.
16:47 < Krenair> If they're logged out it's shown
16:47 < Krenair> ... Read the code
16:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people should 3d print other people
16:48 < Shirik> ^
16:48 < Krenair> It's abortNewMessagesAlert in Hooks.php
16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are woprking on printable organs
16:48 < SoapX> in other words, the orange bar code is still lurking in the CSS
16:48 < d_> Yeah, right. Imagine you run out of red blood cells cartridge and the whole job won't go through
16:48 < SoapX> its just disab;led
16:48 < a930913> Krenair: So why the high defcon? :p
16:48 * kelapstick kicks Excel
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16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> d_ they are using adult stem cells to print bone tissue
16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats the idea
16:49 < Krenair> a930913, ?
16:49 < Pharos> hi Wiknickers
16:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> with a Cat scan they can see the vein configutation of your body and print a missing limb in the future for example
16:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or a new heart
16:49 < d_> Hm
16:50 < d_> Now I'm wondering about the implications of this for the consumption of human meat
16:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats also in the works
16:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YYPJzeSj9Y
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16:51 < a930913> Krenair: I'm detecting unusually high vandalism.
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16:53 < moogsi|warren> first person to print a working 3D printer using a 3D printer wins
16:53 < Bazinga> moogsi|warren: been done
16:54 < moogsi|warren> aw:(
16:54 < d_> Wasn't there a device that could replicate itself?
16:54 < TParis> Yeah, the replicators on Stargate SG-1 :D
16:54 < moogsi|warren> i bet it was more like "print all the parts and then put them together, and then add the parts that you couldn't actually print"
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16:54 < d_> Well, the concept has been around before that
16:54 < d_> I meant in reality, though
16:55 < moogsi|warren> either: someone is able to print all of the parts and put them together to make another printer, or extra super bonus for a printer which prints another printers which immediately works
16:56 < Krenair> a930913, fyi this HTTPS issue is being looked into in #wikimedia-tech at the moment
16:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi|warren its not a serious feat aside from the electronics
16:56 < moogsi|warren> including the electronics
16:56 < moogsi|warren> NO CHEATING
16:56 < d_> It'd increase the complexity of the printer, I imagine
16:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> d_ it would be a second printer
16:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> circuit boards tend to be printed by machines these days
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16:57 < d_> No, I mean, if you printer everything aside from electronics
16:57 < a930913> Krenair: Ta. I'm not particularly bothered, I was just raising the issue for investigation.
16:57 < d_> er, if you printed
16:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> problem with printing electronics is the cost
16:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> your laptop motherboard has layers
16:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfapBnzLzF4
16:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 3D Printing Merges With Printed Electronics
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi|warren so it can be done
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16:59 < moogsi|warren> give it another 50 years
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 50 years?
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have done it!
17:00 < d_> I'd very much like to be able to recreate the CPU of my phone on a 3D printer in 50 years
17:00 < d_> But I'm not so sure I'll be able to
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17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> d_ unless you suck at pressing buttons
17:01 < moogsi|warren> when someone makes a complex integrated circuit using a 3D printer....
17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi|warren thats been done for over 2 decades
17:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printed_electronics
17:02 < SoapX> youll be alive 50 yrs from now??
17:02 < moogsi|warren> photolithography is not 3D printing
17:02 < Shirik> I hope to be alive 50 years from now
17:02 < d_> Yes, I'll print myself new kidneys
17:02 < moogsi|warren> it is printing in a sense..
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17:02 < a930913> moogsi|warren: People even call lasercutting printing ;)
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17:03 < Shirik> aren't PCBs effectively the opposite of printing?
17:04 < moogsi|warren> what i mean is, you can't make even a barely functional IC with a 3D printer because the resolution is nowhere near high enough
17:04 < d_> UPCBs?
17:04 < Shirik> it's like as if you feed a black piece of paper into a printer, and it removes all of the black except the parts you want black
17:04 < moogsi|warren> using a different technique doesn't count
17:04 < Shirik> that's how you make a PCB
17:04 < Shirik> you start with the whole thing covered, and then you remove all of the copper you don't want
17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Shirik its not additive you mean?
17:04 < SoapX> tnirp
17:04 < a930913> Shirik: You print the mask, then you etch it.
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17:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think they se the laser to print the copper or some other conductor on to the circuit board
17:05 < moogsi|warren> it's like saying "i can make a computer entirely out of cake"
17:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can
17:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but it will be eaten
17:06 < moogsi|warren> (except the processor, hard drive, motherboard...)
17:06 < moogsi|warren> i'm hungry :(
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17:06 < d_> Well, can you make an AND gate from cake?
17:07 < d_> and a NOT gate, I guess
17:07 < Cncmaster> Well my parents got a lovely letter from the IRS.
17:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Cncmaster a decleration of love?
17:07 < Cncmaster> Now they face $15k in fines over one paper.
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17:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> love cots money clearly
17:08 < moogsi> sue, countersue and sue?
17:08 < moogsi> then sue
17:08 < moogsi> i don't know how to deal with the IRS
17:08 < Cncmaster> Internal Raping Service
17:08 < moogsi> :\
17:09 < Cncmaster> We had the Boston Tea Party over unfair taxation, and now there's this shit.
17:09 < moogsi> fortunately i never have to, in fact i plan to move to Sealand and pay no-one any tax
17:09 < moogsi> YEAH FUCK THE BRITISH AND THEIR DUMB TAXES
17:09 < d_> Are you planning on conquering it?
17:10 < Cncmaster> They said they're contesting it.
17:10 < moogsi> actually, if the US had anything like european levels of tax on gasoline then there would be an instant revolution
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17:11 < Cncmaster> Try to contest the fine is like trying to take candy from a baby.
17:11 < Cncmaster> Trying*
17:11 < moogsi> i tried to say "gas" then but i couldn't
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17:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nah IRS is clearly the Iner-Raical-Steam
17:11 < moogsi> YOU DO NOT PUT GAS IN A CAR IT IS CLEARLY A LIQUID
17:11 < SoapX> i thought gasoline was a gas until i was 18 or so
17:12 < moogsi> :)
17:12 < SoapX> because i mean you can smell it in the air right?
17:12 < SoapX> it made perfect sense
17:12 < Cncmaster> According to what I heard, the IRS waited 3 years for the fine to reach maximum before notifying my dad.
17:12 < moogsi> well SOME of it is gas :)
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi it is actually a gas depending on the situation
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> just remove the atmosphere
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> earth was hit by a GRB btw
17:13 < Cncmaster> They'll only spend one month however coughing $15k up out of them.
17:13 < moogsi> i like to find myself in situation with atmosphere
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17:13 < Cncmaster> So they can pay interest to the Chinese.
17:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm no
17:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats not how the national debt works
17:13 < moogsi> generally speaking
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17:14 < Cncmaster> Or one of the 90 countries we owe money to.
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17:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the national debt is paid for services already bought by the government such as infrastructure and healthcare
17:14 < moogsi> ToAruShiroiNeko: rubbish, i didn't feel any gamma rays
17:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> debt clocks dont represent reality
17:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/GRB_130427A_Wiggins.jpg
17:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it was visible with the naked eye I think
17:15 < moogsi> NO, NATIONAL DEBT IS JUST LIKE PERSONAL DEBT
17:15 < moogsi> THE UNITED STATES IS A FAT MAN WHO NEEDS TO BUCK HIS IDEAS UP
17:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi really no.
17:16 < moogsi> haha
17:16 < Pharos> national debt is just like a debt of honour
17:16 < moogsi> please don't waste any time explaining to me, i know
17:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> US doesnt qualify to be a fat man
17:16 < SoapX> so wait, that means we all got baked if we were outside today?
17:16 < Pharos> US is a walrus
17:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you get me wrong I object to your fat man statement
17:16 < d_> I'm sure there's a guy somewhere in Washington doing double-entry bookkeeping in a large book
17:16 < d_> for the whole of the US
17:16 < Pharos> everyone knows that
17:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no fam man borrows trillions of dollars
17:16 < moogsi> d_: lol
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17:16 < SoapX> i guess it did feel unusually sunny today
17:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX no its harmless
17:17 < Cncmaster> The money could also go to Obama"let's give free health care to all the undocumented immigrants"Care.
17:17 < SoapX> but gamma rays can cause skin cancer
17:17 < Amqui> I love Gamma ray
17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a gamma ray burst would eradicate all life on earth
17:18 < Cncmaster> *sarcastic voice* I love our government.
17:18 < moogsi> Cncmaster: let's not get all political in here
17:18 < Amqui> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh8UlmwktwQ
17:18 < SoapX> there's probably a few dozen sci-fi novels by now about gamma ray bursts
17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it was millions of light years away
17:19 < Cncmaster> Sorry. Whenever it came to politics I was like my grandparents.
17:19 < SoapX> the WP article suggests deep seas would offer a safe haven for even the strongest gamma ray bursts
17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX not too many, it is a new phenomenon
17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX actually no
17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> because without the atmosphere the oceans would quickly boil
17:19 < SoapX> thus, all land life dies, but humans could hide out in an expensive underground bomb-shelter type of thing, or in the ocean if they can get air down there
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17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX water cannot exist in liquid form in a vacume
17:20 < Amqui> SoapX there is Oxygen in the water
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17:20 < moogsi> wow ok so a strong enough GRB could blast the atmosphere away, not heard that one before
17:20 < SoapX> i think we should invest less money in space exploration and more in making the oceans safe for humans to live in
17:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi all GRBs can do that
17:21 < Amqui> SoapX the space is more explored than the deep sea
17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it is a matter of how far it is
17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 100 light years
17:21 < moogsi> good job there isn't anything close enough
17:21 < SoapX> there's probably a few dozen novels about humans living under the ocean too
17:21 < SoapX> not to escape gamma rays, but just because there's lots of room there
17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi there is
17:21 < moogsi> do tell
17:22 < Amqui> SoapX that being said humans on another planet would also escape a grb
17:22 < SoapX> maybe like 5% of the people live on the land where life is sweet, and the other 95% are in the water living indoors and eating nothing but fish and never seeing the sun
17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://theness.com/roguesgallery/index.php/general-science/death-spiral/
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17:22 < Cncmaster> There might be GRB heading straight for us right now for all we know.
17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Cncmaster it travels at ~ speed of light so yeah
17:23 < Amqui> Cncmaster what :O I'm not going to work tomorrow then
17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are undetectable
17:23 < SoapX> http://www.exitmundi.nl/Gamma.htm
17:23 < SoapX> Heavy, rotating stars like the ones that cause gamma ray bursts exist in our part of the Galaxy, too. At least one is about to go pop: Eta Carinae, a beautiful, but dying star system in the southern constellation known as the Keyhole. Gladly, the burst won't hit us directly, since the axis of Eta Carinae is pointed away from us. But any day, we could stumble upon a dying star that IS
17:23 < SoapX> aimed at us.
17:23 < Cncmaster> You wouldn't even know when it happens. You would be vaporized or burnt to a crisp.
17:24 < Cncmaster> instantly
17:24 < SoapX> there could be a medium-strength burst that kills only some life
17:24 < SoapX> comparable to an asteroid impact
17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> WR 104 is ponting towards us
17:24 < SoapX> humans could survive by going underground but the plants and everything would probbaly die
17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/03/wr-104-a-nearby-gamma-ray-burst/#.UYhJkTSgDA4
17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX how would you know to go underground?
17:25 < BlastHardcheese> bacteria will continue to not give a fuck, as they have for 4 billion years
17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the moment it hits you have no atmospehre
17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the intense ratiation would essentially cook one side of the planet
17:25 < Amqui> hummm cooked planet
17:25 < Amqui> miam
17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the other side would have massive gusts of wind if the GRB didnt manage to completely blow away the atmosphere
17:26 < SoapX> . The energetic gamma rays will grind up the molecules our atmosphere is made of into separate molecules of nitrogen and oxygen. These atoms in turn will mop up the ozone layer, leaving us exposed to the deadly UV radiation from the Sun. <--- that doesnt sound so bad
17:26 < SoapX> its just like a day at the beach : )
17:26 < moogsi> very interesting :)
17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there are three known threats from space
17:26 < Amqui> aliens
17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GRBs are the most dealdy but also most unlikely
17:26 < moogsi> aliens obv
17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd worry more about CMEs
17:26 < moogsi> damn
17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Coronal Mass Ejections
17:27 < Amqui> moogsi the man is faster than the monkey :P
17:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which can potentoally fry all electronics planet-wide
17:27 * moogsi flings poop at Amqui
17:27 < Amqui> lol
17:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> estimates put recovery at ~10 years without power & gas
17:27 < moogsi> during which time EVERYBODY DIES
17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats no tv, radio, internet, convinience stores (or stores of any kind), no plumbing for 10 years
17:28 < SoapX> wow so many sci fi novels
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17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> an lastly asteorids
17:28 < SoapX> anyway Im sure we could live without electricity, except for the poor people in hospitals who literally do NEED it
17:28 < SoapX> the rest of us will just be .... inconvenience
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17:29 < SoapX> after all most people in the Third World dont have electricitiy, not in their homes anyway
17:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX the estimate is 1/3rd of the planet to die
17:29 < Amqui> SoapX what are you talking about
17:29 < moogsi> well not everybody... the weird thing is that if it happened now it might save more lives than it ends... if you are the kind of person who believes there is a tipping point at which anthrogenic climate change causes a massive extinction event
17:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as food production would halt
17:29 < Amqui> a lot of people died from no electricity
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17:30 < Amqui> in 2008 or something like that
17:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Third World countries do count on electricity even if they dont use it directly
17:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the food they eat relies on it
17:30 < moogsi> reset the population, save the environment, hope everyone doesn't fuck it up next time...
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17:30 < Amqui> I mean 1998
17:30 < moogsi> against hope
17:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 1998 was when canada was it by a smaller CME
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17:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi you have no radio or any kind of communication
17:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and its entirely preventable
17:30 < Amqui> no electricity in big cities during winter = people freezing to death
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17:31 < moogsi> yeah i know. if you can see it coming and switch everything off
17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people would starve before surviging to winter
17:31 < Amqui> lol you dumb
17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi exactly
17:31 < Amqui> there is food roaming around
17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui no gasoline or pumps
17:31 < Amqui> only people in cities that don't no how to survive ;)
17:31 < moogsi> i don't want to think about it... i like not starving
17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> existing food supply would quickly run out
17:31 < moogsi> it's the best
17:31 < SoapX> dude
17:31 < SoapX> fireplaces
17:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> exactly, people in cities
17:32 < Amqui> when it happened in 1998, we filled trucks to go help people in the cities
17:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX burning what? you dont have gasoline or cars
17:32 < Amqui> they are too dumb to help themselves lol
17:32 < SoapX> there was a month or so when a huge part of southern Quebec was knocked off the electricity grid, and almost nobody died
17:32 < SoapX> they were prepared
17:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui a global CME means there will be no truchs anywhere on the planet
17:32 < SoapX> )and yes it was winter)
17:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *trucks
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17:32 < moogsi> ToAruShiroiNeko: give up :P
17:33 < SoapX> amqui you live in quebec right?
17:33 < Amqui> yes, old trucks wihtout electronics in the back of the yard would work with a bit of fixing
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX the problem is having no power anywhere
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui no gasoline is the problem
17:33 < BlastHardcheese> well they're french, who cares what happens to them
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pumps dont work
17:33 < Amqui> SoapX I was in Northern New Brunswick at the time, same thing
17:33 < SoapX> ok
17:33 < moogsi> everyone else: LOADS OF PEOPLE WOULD DIE, IT'S REALLY OBVIOUS
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi dont taze me bro
17:33 < Amqui> ToAruShiroiNeko depends how long it is
17:33 < moogsi> :D
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 10 years
17:34 < Amqui> all farms have fuel tanks that you can use without electronic pumps
17:34 < Amqui> oh 10 years different story lol
17:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and the famrs dont know why electricity died as radio is non-existant, no satelites either
17:34 < SoapX> i mean im not saying that for all of Earth to lose electicity would be no problem. Just that it probably wouldnt kill 2500000000 people
17:35 < moogsi> disagree
17:35 < Amqui> humanity survived how many billions of years without electricity lol
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17:35 < SoapX> besides, we'd surely have warning signs
17:35 < Amqui> lol ok not billions :P
17:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SoapX 1/3rd of the earths population wouldnt be alive today had it not been for the haber nitrogen fixation
17:35 < moogsi> humanity consisting of a few hundred million people...
17:35 < BlastHardcheese> and the population was 1% of what it is now
17:35 < moogsi> if 100 million
17:35 < SoapX> we're still talking about the gamma ray thing, right?
17:36 < moogsi> nop
17:36 < BlastHardcheese> we're talking about BEES
17:36 < moogsi> OMG KILLER BEES
17:36 < Amqui> I lived without electricity for months in a row, no problem
17:36 < SoapX> bees are pathetic
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> haber nitrogen fixation is a ww1 era invention and was discovered entirely by accident
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> haber was trying to find ways to build bombs for germans and later developing chemical weapons
17:36 < Amqui> "no food" that's when your only food source is the grocery stores
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mustard gas is his invention
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui even i your farm has weath you have no way of getting it to the mill
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> unless you have a medieval level tech
17:37 < Amqui> ToAruShiroiNeko I'm not talking about farm
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17:37 < moogsi> he's going full man of the woods
17:37 < Amqui> forest, lakes, rives are full of wildlife
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> humanity wont end due toa CME
17:37 < moogsi> squirrel for lunch AGAIN?
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but technology would suffer big time
17:38 < Amqui> I ate squirrels before
17:38 < Amqui> they are a food source
17:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui its a problem if squirrels eat you
17:38 < Amqui> lol
17:38 < moogsi> not much meat on one but yes they are edible if you can catch them
17:38 < Amqui> easy to catch
17:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> lasers!
17:38 < Amqui> just set couple traps
17:38 < moogsi> just watch out for those millions upon millions of people exiting the cities and trying to do the same thing
17:38 < Amqui> you can trap rabbits, squirrels without spending much energy
17:38 < moogsi> you might find the forest isn't as plentiful as you think
17:39 < a930913> ****
17:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> space may become inaccesable to humans for a while due to a CME as all satelites may die
17:39 < Amqui> moogsi I did 3 weeks straight in the woods without bringing food
17:39 < a930913> I'm having a nose bleed and it looks like I've killed someone here.
17:39 < Amqui> to practice it
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17:39 < Amqui> that was winter
17:39 < Amqui> summer I mean
17:39 < Amqui> I did a week and half in the winter to train that too
17:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui you were probably alone though
17:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> imagine sharing that resource with 1000 people
17:40 < Amqui> lol
17:40 < Amqui> than the man hunt begins :P
17:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ie people doe
17:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *die
17:40 < Amqui> only the weak
17:40 < moogsi> Amqui: well, if you have to kill and eat people, so be it, I guess
17:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moogsi if you want to be creeped out
17:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2008/wr104_spiral.gif
17:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats two stars orbiting each other
17:41 < moogsi> ToAruShiroiNeko: nice, love it
17:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the tail is a product of the solar wind
17:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> when those two stars meet there will be a GRB
17:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> because it is a spiral we know it is pointing towards us
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17:41 < Amqui> I'm not afraid, most people won't be able to hunt to start with
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17:41 < moogsi> so one of them might be a neutron star or something?
17:41 < Amqui> how would they get that far if there is no gas
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17:42 < moogsi> the invisible one? i wasn't really paying attention
17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it is a neutron star
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17:42 < Amqui> most people can walk farther than their parking spots
17:42 < Amqui> can't**
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17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Some optical measurements indicate that WR 104's rotational axis is aligned within 16° of Earth.[4] This could have potential implications to the effects of WR 104's eventual hypernova, since these explosions often produce jets from their rotational poles. It is possible that WR 104 may even produce a gamma-ray burst, though it is not possible to predict with certainty at this time.[3]
17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Newer spectroscopic data suggest that WR 104's rotational axis is more likely angled 30–40° from Earth.[5][6]
17:43 < moogsi> boooo
17:43 < moogsi> although there is one that we haven't spotted that's pointed directly at us :P
17:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but all those measurements can be off or the gamma ray burst can have weird effects on the orbit of the stars so that they can point at us
17:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> James Webb Space telescope will find all of those
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17:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> WR104 may not be impending doom for us but it is a good reminder that space exploration is vital for our survival
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17:45 < SoapX> oh look the new notification system is here
17:45 < SoapX> it's a giant red rectangle
17:45 < SoapX> looks like a soap bar
17:46 < SoapX> and even so, it took me a full hour to notice it apparerntly?
17:46 < SoapX> since the thing Im being notified of happened an hour ago
17:46 < SoapX> and Ive been browsing Wikipedia for at least some of that time
17:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we need a notification bar notifying you that there is a notification
17:47 < Amqui> lol
17:48 < SoapX> i think that's essentially what theyve done
17:48 < SoapX> since the [1] square is also still there
17:49 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:49 < SoapX> so they have a bigger one pointing to the smaller one
17:49 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en
17:50 < SoapX> in a sense you could say that the designers have taken a page out of my book since I was using a blood-red "bar of doom" instead of orange all along
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17:53 < SoapX> hm
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17:53 < moogsi> i hate it when people leave me messages... the doomier the better imo
17:54 < SoapX> i cant find the wikipedia article about Omega, as in the constant that defines whether the universe is going to expand forever
17:54 < SoapX> do we not have one about omega itself?
17:54 < SoapX> it should at least be linked somewhere
17:54 < SoapX> it's [[density parameter]] i guess
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17:56 < SoapX> ΩΩΩΩ
17:56 < SoapX> ΩΩΩΩ
17:56 < SoapX> just checking to make sure that really was omega
17:57 < SoapX> i think there's a lookalike character somewhere in Unicode that looks like omega but isnt
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17:59 < Carly> hi
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18:00 < moogsi> SoapX: "ohm sign" has a separate codepoint but it's the same glyph in most fonts
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18:02 < SoapX> thats what it is, yeah
18:03 < moogsi> HI CARLY
18:03 < moogsi> seeing as no-one said hi
18:04 < Carly> moogsi I dont care if someone says Hi or No,but thank you
18:04 < Carly> how are you moogsi :)
18:05 < moogsi> i am very well thank you, i trust that likewise the day finds you well
18:06 < Carly> aaah?
18:06 < Carly> ok
18:06 < moogsi> I HOPE YOU ARE ALSO FINE
18:06 < Carly> moogsi I am glad of you
18:06 < Carly> :)
18:06 < moogsi> :)
18:07 < Carly> OK and NO SCREAM
18:07 < Carly> :)
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18:07 < moogsi> i can't help it, i like caps
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18:09 < Carly> moogsi me too and also like this face :|
18:09 < Carly> xdddd
18:09 < Carly> hi pancetta
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18:10 < Peter-C> question
18:10 < Peter-C> Legal = legal@wikimediafoundation.org?
18:10 < Peter-C> right?
18:10 < Peter-C> *wikimedia
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18:11 < Krenair> Uh... I thought it was legal@wikimedia.org
18:11 < Fleet|mobile> Hi SoapX
18:11 < SoapX> hi
18:11 < Peter-C> yea, my bad
18:11 < moogsi> legal@wikimedia.org yus
18:12 < Ironholds> Peter-C: the latter, yes.
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18:13 < Peter-C> Boom, just sent them an email which included a Rory pun
18:13 < Ironholds> you know Rory has a son, right?
18:13 < Peter-C> !?
18:14 < Ironholds> Sue got given a tiny stuffed tiger a few months ago, and ran over to legal and plonked it on Rory's back and ran off going "he's yours now!"
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18:14 < Peter-C> lolol
18:14 < Ironholds> I went out drinkin' with one of our lawyers when I was in town in March and we were riffing on possible names to give him.
18:14 < Peter-C> For those who do not know - http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory
18:14 < Ironholds> and kept striking out. And I went "y'know it'll hit us as soon as we leave this place, right?"
18:15 < Ironholds> Went out for a cigarette. Immediately slammed myself back through the doors, screamed "PERCY!" and ran out again.
18:15 < Peter-C> lol
18:15 < Ironholds> (anyone who doesn't get it - purrrcy)
18:17 < Ironholds> He's not a lawyer, but we have a bring-your-kid-to-work programme, and Roary is his paw. That's the tail he keeps spinning, anyway.
18:17 < Ironholds> (we love our wordplay on 6th. The worse the better!)
18:18 < Peter-C> D'awh
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18:24 < moogsi> heh. homophones.
18:26 < moogsi> omg that tiger is terrifying
18:26 < moogsi> i mean, as they should be, but... i was expecting something cuddlier
18:27 -!- sd|dinner is now known as sdamashek
18:27 < foks> "I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence."
18:27 < foks> heh
18:27 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en
18:27 < moogsi> but how...
18:28 < moogsi> how did he write all that?
18:28 < russavia> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.126.142.59 -- isn't Eric Barbour permabanned?
18:28 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has joined #wikipedia-en
18:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks I alwasy suspected that you were a cuddle toy
18:28 < russavia> and another -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.126.141.41
18:29 * ToAruShiroiNeko files an RFCI (requests for cuddle-toy investigation)
18:29 < Cncmaster> I just came across a WP fork that doesn't seem to know what the GFDL is
18:29 < Ironholds> oh?
18:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GFDL, land of sand home of spice
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18:30 < Cncmaster> It isn't already listed either.
18:30 < Cncmaster> god, this is going to be fun.
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18:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> how ironic
18:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 11 September 2000 was the date the NSU executed one of their victims
18:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it was their first attack
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18:33 < Cncmaster> My uncle would have had a 1/3 chance of piloting one of the hijacked flights.
18:33 < Carly> cool
18:34 < Cncmaster> His wife had just had their daughter on the 7th, so he was off.
18:34 < Carly> mmm
18:35 < Cncmaster> He also found out later that he flew some of the terrorists on one of the flights a week before during their "dry run."
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18:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Cncmaster this was a year before 9/11
18:38 < Cncmaster> I know what you're talking about, I'm talking about the year when it happened.
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18:45 < LtNOWIS> Some sweet TFAs lately
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18:45 < LtNOWIS> in terms of breadth of coverage, overall importance, etc.
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18:47 < Maple__> ditto
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18:59 < Carly> hiiiii magog_the_ogre
19:00 < Carly> :-D
19:00 < Magog_the_Ogre> hello carly
19:00 < Magog_the_Ogre> how are you tonight?!
19:00 < Carly> fineeeeee
19:00 < Carly> and you
19:00 < IDoH> Haven't seen you in a while, Carly.
19:01 < Carly> Idoh that is fine
19:01 < IDoH> Have you been around?
19:01 < IDoH> And is CerebrumBot a bot?
19:01 < IDoH> Or a person pretending to be a bot?
19:02 < Carly> Idoh I am always on IRC
19:02 < IDoH> Er, I doubt that.
19:02 < Carly> but I dont find any needing to join here every day
19:02 < IDoH> True
19:02 < Carly> ;-)
19:02 < Carly> how are you? idoh
19:02 < IDoH> I'm all right, Carly. you/
19:03 < Carly> me too
19:03 < Carly> idoh thnx
19:03 < IDoH> :-)
19:04 < Carly> ?
19:04 < Carly> ;-)
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19:12 < LtNOWIS> notifications, eh?
19:13 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng
19:13 < wctaiwan> would it be possible to temporarily make it so that when logging in, the system checks the password hash against both username and username~enwiki after the SUL change thingy?
19:14 < wctaiwan> otherwise I think we might end up getting a lot of confused users.
19:14 < wctaiwan> or indeed, bake such a change into WMF wikis permanently
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19:14 < wctaiwan> for people who go inactive and then come back
19:14 < moogsi> surely someone has thought of that
19:14 < wctaiwan> I hope so.
19:15 < wctaiwan> because no amount of prior notification is going to eliminate the confusion entirely
19:16 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: ask James_F
19:16 < James_F> wctaiwan: We're doing that, yes.
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19:17 < James_F> wctaiwan: Especially for users who do not have an e-mail address set. :-(
19:17 < James_F> wctaiwan: Hopefully Ironholds's team are going to work on that soon.
19:18 < Ironholds> What are they meant to be doing?
19:23 < wctaiwan> Ironholds: I did consider whether to highlight you :P; James_F: great.
19:24 < James_F> Ironholds: Convincing people to set a confirmed e-mail.
19:24 < James_F> Ironholds: So they can take full advantage of Notifications, Flow and other goodies you're building.
19:25 < Ironholds> ah
19:26 < moogsi> does this mean i can send threatening messages across wikis?
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19:27 < moogsi> for example i can send a message from Commons to any wikipedia saying "i will delete all your phones for no reason without warning muauahahahahaa i'm evil"
19:27 < moogsi> phones?
19:27 < moogsi> files
19:27 < wctaiwan> I'll delete your phones!
19:27 < moogsi> although deleting phones sounds evil as well
19:27 < mareklug> all your phone are belong to us
19:27 < wctaiwan> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/prenda-hammered-judge-sends-porn-trolling-lawyers-to-criminal-investigators/ f'yeah.
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19:28 < moogsi> still can't talk and type at the same time :(
19:28 < mareklug> can you talk on the phone and type at the same time?
19:28 < moogsi> not at any decent speed
19:29 < moogsi> also i start typing what the other person is saying in the middle of a sentence
19:29 < mareklug> then htere is no future for you in the spiffy telemarketing or IT support industries
19:29 < moogsi> OH NO
19:29 < SoapX> i talk to myself when Im typing
19:29 < SoapX> I dont know why
19:29 < mareklug> but you can say "have you tried turning it off and on?!"
19:29 < SoapX> I dont talk to myself in any other setting, but when UIm typing I cant help but speak out the words Im writing as I write them
19:29 < moogsi> yesh :D
19:29 < mareklug> SoapX it is clearly a need-based activity
19:30 < SoapX> only in private though
19:30 < moogsi> i'm already tech support for my immediate family, so
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19:30 < mareklug> moogsi I am too. Which is why I do not seek employment in it. I get too livid and shouting when I try to handle my family's IT needs, deplorable that they are.
19:31 < wctaiwan> http://thenextweb.com/dd/2013/05/06/yes-adobe-is-killing-fireworks-only-plans-security-updates-and-bug-fixes/?fromcat=all :(
19:31 < wctaiwan> I'm a huge fan of Fireworks.
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19:31 < wctaiwan> it's effectively a lossless vector editor on a bitmap grid
19:32 < wctaiwan> perfect for the sorts of things I need to do.
19:32 < mareklug> wctaiwan the bigger story of the day on that front, wctaiwan, is that they have killed Creative Suite and will only offer cloud-based ripoff
19:32 < wctaiwan> yeah, I saw that.
19:32 < wctaiwan> but tbh... never really used Photoshop. Not going to miss it
19:33 < mareklug> but zillions of people have used PageMaker, In Design, Illustrator to good professional or semi-professional effect.
19:33 < wctaiwan> right.
19:34 < mareklug> I wonder what places like Defense Mapping Agency will do. Stash copies of the software forever? They won't want to net-connect to Adobe's cloud to do their maps.
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19:35 < Bradford> hi
19:38 < mareklug> wctaiwan look, Bradford is speaking in English for the very first tiempo
19:39 < Bradford> -.-
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19:42 < mareklug> Bradford hoy es el primer día del resto de tu vida.
19:43 < Bradford> -____________-
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19:43 < wctaiwan> marek: anglais s'il vous plait :p
19:44 < mareklug> what is it you wanted plaited?
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19:46 < mareklug> wctaiwan I talk to Bradford in Spanish, and Bradford responds in graphic emoticons of Mayan faces
19:46 < wctaiwan> heh
19:47 < Bradford> mm
19:47 < Bradford> :p
19:48 < wctaiwan> "With Creative Cloud you’re allowed to install the software on up to TWO of your computers. Just like you are able to do with the Creative Suite applications. However, unlike Creative Suite, Creative Cloud allows you to download and install either the Mac or Windows versions for each computer."
19:48 < wctaiwan> ^ mareklug. one of the minor benefits, I guess
19:49 < mareklug> we should send them brownies for that beneficent adjustment to their licencing.
19:49 < ihaveamac> "Some accounts will soon be renamed due to a technical change."
19:50 < mareklug> yes. and you shall be heretofore known as YXaviera
19:50 < ihaveamac> hehe
19:50 < ihaveamac> my name is unique enough to not be renamed
19:50 < ihaveamac> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement
19:50 < ihaveamac> as no one else uses it on wikimedia
19:51 < mareklug> what about Mareklug? surely that is unique as a pickle in a cherry tart?
19:51 < wctaiwan> hopefully not as vile.
19:51 < SuicidalZerg> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130506/16340322966/judge-wright-tells-team-prenda-to-pay-80k-refers-their-activity-to-state-bars-feds-irs.shtml
19:51 < ihaveamac> I'm guessing accounts that are not attached to a global account
19:52 < SuicidalZerg> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool, all the Star Trek references in the filing
19:52 < ihaveamac> yet there is one with the name
19:52 < mareklug> Mareklug is, in the words of The Smiths' Morrisey, absolutely vile. Why, just today I got banned on a cretin forum for "bad tones."
19:52 < wctaiwan> no wonder you call it "cretin forum" ;-)
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19:54 < mareklug> imagine, someone ran into a buzzsaw trying to install Google Chrome from repository on Debian 7. And the advice given was go wipe out your system and use a different partition scheme, because you ran out of space. I rather briskly pointed out that the advice was incompetent, and that a simple simlink from /opt to /home/opt would do. But the merit of my advice was overlooked, yet not the "bad tones."
19:56 < wctaiwan> SuicidalZerg: he has a bright future as a writer for TV >.>
19:56 < Bradford> venezuelan
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19:59 < mareklug> wctaiwan you might appreciate this old Audrey Hepburn-related classic, rendered by the ex-leader of The Smiths, Mr Morrissey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiM3oJsLxJY
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20:01 < wctaiwan> well now I know what that song is called
20:01 < mareklug> happy to improve your lot that much. :)
20:01 < wctaiwan> it's not very good singing though--I think it's slightly off key at points?
20:02 < wctaiwan> granted, not the easiest song in terms of range.
20:02 < mareklug> you can compare to the standard reference, Andy Williams' studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jgIezosVA
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20:03 < wctaiwan> they should have turned down the echo..
20:03 < mareklug> it was the 1962s...
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20:05 < mareklug> wctaiwan you might like this pared down version best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubeFZwCR2lM
20:06 < mareklug> The Honey Trees - Moon River (The LoFi Sessions)
20:06 < wctaiwan> nice interpretation.
20:10 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/music/Performers,_bands_and_songwriters/A–H#Hon.E2.80.93Hoz no wiki article yet, requested.
20:10 < wctaiwan> "Note he concluded that Prenda's model was to demand settlement "a sum calculated to be just below the cost of a bare-bones defense." In footnote 5, explaining the amount of sanctions he imposed, he says "This punitive portion is calculated to be just below the cost of an effective appeal.""
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20:13 < mareklug> wctaiwan this may interest you, as a music geek. wish dtm was here, it is just for him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUHar-siPrY Henry Mancini - Moon River (Drum Cover)
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20:44 < addihockey10> Twinkles are back everyone!
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20:44 < addihockey10> Plant reopens this summer
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20:45 < mareklug> addihockey10 fuck twinkies. I want my ding dongs.
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20:45 < closedmouth> twinkles?
20:45 < addihockey10> Twinkies
20:45 < mareklug> closedmouth surely you have encountered twinkie in pop american culture such as road movies
20:45 < ty> Hey SigmaWP
20:46 < SigmaWP> hi ty
20:46 < mareklug> closedmouth if not… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie
20:47 < mareklug> twinkie frankly sucks donkey kongs (another brand of minicake). This is muuuuuuuuuch tastier, especially frozen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ding_Dong
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20:47 < addihockey10> Mareklug do you suck on frozen ding dongs
20:47 < mareklug> no I BITE tehm
20:48 < addihockey10> Kinky.
20:48 < mareklug> they are not all that solid
20:48 < mareklug> airy dough will not freeze too solid
20:48 < addihockey10> Flaccid singsong?
20:48 < addihockey10> Dingdong
20:50 < mareklug> apparently KIng Dons to you canucks
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20:53 < Pharos> mareklug: wiknic!
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20:53 < mareklug> nooooooo
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20:54 < Pharos> wiknic needs YOU
20:54 < wctaiwan> mareklug: hostess brands had the worst brand names ever
20:54 < wctaiwan> hohos and ding dongs
20:54 < wctaiwan> seriously.
20:54 < mareklug> like hell it does. I am no fun at all male gatherings.
20:55 < Pharos> then invite women dammit!
20:55 < wctaiwan> this channel's all-male most of the time :p
20:55 < Pharos> it's not supposed to be all-male
20:55 < addihockey10> Mareklug brings the hohos
20:55 < mareklug> wctaiwan i do well with the ladies here. IShadowed calles me a whore (like she does everybody)
20:56 < mareklug> Pharos it is not supposed to be, but pictures from Washington Park of last year reveal the sad truth.
20:56 < Pharos> mareklug: if you host the wiknic, i will get you the wikiladies
20:56 < Pharos> i have an emergency supply
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20:57 < mareklug> this sounds like snake oil selling. if you have this supply, why aren't the wikiladies organizing the shindig?
20:57 < mareklug> at least there would be potato salad
20:57 < wctaiwan> full of delicious e. coli.
20:57 < Pharos> wikilady-organizers are more difficult
20:58 < Pharos> but they could do potato salad i guess
20:58 < mareklug> wctaiwan myth. i eat deli salads and I have built a tolerance, obviously. It is like being Xican and drinkign water.
20:58 < {soap|bed}> Xican?
20:58 < harej> wikihumantrafficking is a very underground industry
20:58 < mareklug> Mexican
20:58 < {soap|bed}> unusual appreviation
20:58 < mareklug> yes, it is done in sewers
20:59 < harej> as are most things on the wiki black market
20:59 < Pharos> we can invite the librarians
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20:59 < Pharos> they're a nice gender complement
20:59 < TOS> Hello?
20:59 < mareklug> the librarinas, you mean. they are wikiladies, no? who dey?
20:59 < Pharos> they are wikiladies in spirit!
21:00 < mareklug> oh no. we've awakened the Calcutta Lady Shopper
21:00 < Pharos> you could totally just invite the local librarians and they would come
21:00 < TOS> mareklug: Not true!
21:00 < Pharos> or some of them anywat
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21:00 < TOS> mareklug: Calcutta is not really a necessity ;)
21:00 < mareklug> TOS are you insisting you are still asleep?
21:01 < TOS> mareklug: No. But that might be a possibility. Let me check!
21:01 < Pharos> mareklug: seriously, i will find you female attendees
21:01 * TOS pinches himself
21:01 < Pharos> at least two!
21:01 < Pharos> if you start the page
21:01 < TOS> mareklug: Nopes. Still awake.
21:01 < Pharos> but i can't start the page myself
21:01 < Pharos> chicago is a strategic WALRUS priority
21:02 < Pharos> strategic i tell you!
21:02 < TOS> I have a question here
21:03 < Pharos> ?
21:03 < TOS> There is a proposal at VP [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Mass_removal_of_old_indefinite_rangblocks_under_controlled_conditions] which has 14 supports, 1 "mixed feeling" no opposes
21:03 < TOS> But it will likely be archived (again) today
21:03 < Pharos> since i voted for it, there is consensus!
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21:04 < TOS> Who closes it, and how many more votes are required for it to be closed?
21:04 < Pharos> the one concern i have is, is it easily actionable?
21:04 < Pharos> is there an weasy way to identify and unblock all those IPs?
21:05 < TOS> I think there might be, if we have a bot
21:05 < TOS> The only problem will be reviewing them - Which ones should remain as indef-blocks
21:06 < Pharos> are you the driving force behind this proposal?
21:06 < TOS> If your question is "Are you TheOriginalSoni", then yes
21:07 < Pharos> your next step is to create a project page for the review of old rangeblocks of this type, i guess
21:07 < Pharos> and link to it from the thread
21:08 < wctaiwan> Pharos: I think they're saying it needs to be closed first.
21:08 < Pharos> well, create it anyway, at least it won't get archived
21:08 < Pharos> give uninvolved admins a better chance to look at how it would work
21:08 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi
21:09 < wctaiwan> hello
21:09 < TOS> I think asking at VPT for the technical aspects of this proposal might be good idea
21:10 < wctaiwan> bbl
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21:10 < Pharos> if your specific goal is not getting archived though, at least make a new comment ;)
21:11 < TOS> Will do :P
21:11 < Pharos> this does sound complicated enough that if it's implemented it would probably need a new project page, imho
21:16 < TOS> Yes
21:16 < TOS> Is this an appropriate notice for watchlist? http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-distribute-wikireaders-and-provide-an-opportunity-for-kids-to-learn?c=pledges
21:17 < Pharos> so you might create a draft version of the project page
21:17 < TOS> (Linking this page, that is)
21:17 < TOS> Pharos: Will want someone with technical knowhow to chime in before I try it
21:18 < Pharos> indiegogo probably isn't appropriate for watchlist
21:18 < Pharos> VP and mailing lists would make sense i guess
21:21 < TOS> mailing lists?
21:22 < Pharos> actually, lready on mailing lists
21:22 < Pharos> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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21:49 < tucoxn> is there anybody around who has access to LexisNexis or something similar for newspaper articles?
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21:58 < SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=553899764
21:58 < SigmaWP> Someone delete that
21:58 < SigmaWP> I don't know why
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22:01 < ihaveamac> are there articles that have more issues
22:01 < ihaveamac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_controls
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22:21 < larrysangersbaby> someone start some chat please
22:22 < tucoxn> hello larry
22:22 < larrysangersbaby> OK....here's a topic: give me your percentage estimate: how many are logging the chat, despite the wiki rule disallowing it. (except how can there be a wiki rule when this is not an official channel?)
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22:23 < tucoxn> 15%
22:23 < tucoxn> what do you think?
22:24 < TOS> ?
22:24 < TOS> 5, I'll say
22:26 < Guerillero> I wonder if there is an op in here
22:26 < JCDon12> licklicklicklicklick
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22:26 < larrysangersbaby> ARE YOU HIKING, GUER?
22:26 < Guerillero> le sigh
22:27 < Guerillero> !op
22:27 < larrysangersbaby> how's school, babe?
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22:35 < legoktm> !ops ^
22:35 < addihockey10> Why
22:35 < addihockey10> I am not a bad person
22:35 < IDoH> larrysangersbaby.
22:35 < addihockey10> Oh. Lol
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22:58 < addihockey10> What's a website that has HQ music downloads (free ofcl
22:59 < closedmouth> ofcl?
23:00 < addihockey10> Ofc)
23:00 < addihockey10> Didn't hold l long enough
23:00 < closedmouth> like, copyright-free, or illegal downloads?
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23:00 < addihockey10> Illegal.
23:01 < addihockey10> I suppose.
23:01 < IDoH> heh heh
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23:01 < closedmouth> not many good ones outside private torrent trackers
23:01 < addihockey10> Ok.
23:02 < addihockey10> I was lazy and settled with 128kbps :P
23:02 < closedmouth> gross
23:02 < closedmouth> are you able to maintain a good ratio?
23:02 < addihockey10> I'm listening to some good ones now.
23:02 < addihockey10> Ratio?
23:02 < closedmouth> never mind
23:03 < closedmouth> if you don't even know what that is...
23:04 < addihockey10> I might. I'm tired.
23:04 < closedmouth> you had your chance
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