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00:23 < wctaiwan> http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/8/4314408/ea-confirms-10-percent-of-staff-laid-off-in-major-restructuring more crunches...
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00:24 < wctaiwan> russavia: [14:43] <wctaiwan> \o/ [14:43] <wctaiwan> ANA is going to fly the Taipei-Tokyo route using their 787s
00:25 < addihockey10> Ea deserves worst customer support
00:26 < addihockey10> (not saying it's the workers, it's the wait and what the workers are permitted to do)
00:27 < SigmaWP> [00:24:55] �<�wctaiwan�>� russavia: [14:43] <wctaiwan> \o/ [14:43] <wctaiwan> ANA is going to fly the Taipei-Tokyo route using their 787s
00:27 * SigmaWP grumbles about Sino-Japanese relations
00:28 < closedmouth> [\0x08]
00:28 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: they're also going to use them on their Tokyo-Shanghai and Beijing routes.
00:28 < SigmaWP> closedmouth: What is that?
00:29 < closedmouth> SigmaWP: you tell me http://gyazo.com/71eff29f423a57abb1473a9217845c70
00:29 < SigmaWP> Ah
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00:29 < SigmaWP> It's supposed to be colours
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00:36 < wctaiwan> Microsoft Anna is inferior to Apple Alex.
00:37 < russavia> nice wctaiwan -- taipei airport has a good fire brigade eh ;)
00:37 < wctaiwan> hah
00:37 < wctaiwan> I think it'll be fine
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00:37 < wctaiwan> what we have are really crappy runways
00:38 < wctaiwan> for a country has highly developed as taiwan :/
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00:38 < russavia> yeah just ask singapore airlines about taipei's runways
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00:39 < wctaiwan> eh, that one was.. iunno.
00:39 < wctaiwan> I mean, both sides + the weather are to blame.
00:40 < russavia> well it was mostly SQ culture
00:40 < wctaiwan> the taxiway was closed but apparently that wasn't clear enough.
00:40 < wctaiwan> I was more talking about the patchiness of our runway though
00:40 < wctaiwan> not so much a safety hazard as just.. it isn't nice.
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00:41 < russavia> i uploaded a heap of photos from taipei's airports not long ago
00:47 < russavia> did i go overload on this category? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:All_Nippon_Airways_aircraft_at_Tokyo_International_Airport
00:48 < russavia> ANA pr0n!
00:48 < addihockey10> Yes
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00:54 < Dcoetzee> addihockey10: EA has customer support? :-P
00:54 < Dcoetzee> I thought they just had an Unhelpful Line that you call if you'd like to waste time.
00:54 < addihockey10> Heh
00:55 < addihockey10> Well they sent me two free copies of bf3
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00:55 < addihockey10> (i deserved them)
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00:57 < russavia> dcoetzee -- you see discussion onCOM:VP? and rillke's quick mockup?
00:57 < Dcoetzee> Not yet
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00:57 < russavia> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Small_MG_0132_(8043237267).jpg?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-AbuseLink.trial.js under the image -- the report button
00:58 < Ironholds> russavia: who created that gadget?
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00:58 < russavia> rillke
00:59 < russavia> will spend more time on it if we have consensus for it -- which i think we should get
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00:59 < Ironholds> that's great.
00:59 < addihockey10> What is it?
00:59 < Ironholds> second question; is it for logged-in users only, or all users?
00:59 < addihockey10> (can't look atm)
00:59 < russavia> all users
00:59 < Ironholds> third question; did anyone think of telling the WMF's counsel that there was a plan to create an incredibly prominent email link on every file?
01:00 < Ironholds> and, fourth question; if not, does anyone have any objection to me beating my head repeatedly against the wall just to prove that, after such a fractally stupid oversight, I can still feel something?
01:00 < russavia> i have emailed philippe, legal,OS andOTRS
01:00 < Ironholds> then all is well.
01:00 * Ironholds is satisfied with "this is someone else's problem" ;p
01:01 < wctaiwan> "and so on... please feel free to add here and do not translate this yet"
01:01 < wctaiwan> um, what?
01:01 < Ironholds> wait, where did you email OTRS? I'm not seeing any emails to the discussion list about it.
01:01 < russavia> i emailed OTRS head honcho's
01:01 < Ironholds> how long ago?
01:01 < russavia> 2 days
01:01 < Ironholds> grand. any response from them?
01:02 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Making_it_easier_for_problematic_files_to_be_brought_to_our_attention
01:02 < russavia> nope
01:02 < Ironholds> thanks
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01:02 < russavia> and no response from legal or philippe either
01:02 < russavia> and it's not limited to CP but reporting ALL problematic files
01:02 < wctaiwan> they're probably repeatedly banging their heads against the wall :P
01:02 < iDangerMouse> wctaiwan: Is that really you ?
01:02 < wctaiwan> um, yes?
01:02 < wctaiwan> hey iDM
01:02 < wctaiwan> long time no see.
01:02 < Ironholds> russavia: gah. Okay, thanks.
01:03 < iDangerMouse> Indeed. I now have official diplomatic immunity :)
01:03 < wctaiwan> also, sooner or later it all becomes your job, Ironholds :p
01:03 < wctaiwan> including that developer noticeboard thing which doesn't seem to be passing :(
01:03 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: no, it doesn't.
01:04 < iDangerMouse> wctaiwan: I can now officially travel to 21 countries with a visa, and immunity :P
01:04 < Ironholds> wow, that thread is a colossal hole of screaming morons.
01:04 < Ironholds> (russavia and a few other good faith people excluded. Really, what I mean is 'why does anyone listen to DC?'
01:04 < iDangerMouse> *without a visa*
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01:04 < Ironholds> For reference; the WMF does have people on-call. For /emergency/ issues. Very few of them, all of whom live in the US.
01:05 < Ironholds> iDangerMouse: congratulations. How and why?
01:05 < russavia> DC does not get the point of this thread
01:05 < wctaiwan> iDangerMouse: fancy.
01:05 < russavia> it's got nothing to do with their blog post, but everything to do with Odder's blog
01:05 < iDangerMouse> Ironholds: Thank you. I am under protection by the Canadain Govt.
01:05 < Ironholds> iDangerMouse: why have they given you diplomatic immunity?
01:06 < iDangerMouse> I won the case against Iranian Govt, what not.
01:06 < Ironholds> eh?
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01:07 < russavia> nice IDM
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01:11 < wctaiwan> gah, latex :(
01:11 < iDangerMouse> Well, back to work. Dropped by to say Hello.
01:11 < SigmaWP> bye
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01:16 < Dcoetzee> Random neat image: 
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01:21 < SigmaWP> Ah
01:21 < SigmaWP> The beautiful world
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01:25 < Dcoetzee> People know how populous China is, but they often forget about India and Indonesia
01:25 < Dcoetzee> Among other places
01:25 < SigmaWP> Pretty much east Asia
01:30 < Dcoetzee> Incidentally
01:30 < Dcoetzee> The Indonesian Wikipedia is way way small considering the population of Indonesia
01:30 < Dcoetzee> It's kind of unfortunate
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01:31 < Dcoetzee> It has 180,000 articles. Indonesia has 242M people.
01:31 < dtm> if only they'd *each* make only *one* article!
01:31 < addihockey10> that's insane.
01:32 < addihockey10> How dense is their population?
01:32 < dtm> o/` i'd like to teach the world to write on wi ki pe di aaaaa o/`
01:32 < Dcoetzee> Heh
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01:32 < addihockey10> (what is their population density)
01:33 < addihockey10> Per km2 or
01:33 < Dcoetzee> Not as high as you'd think. They're the world's 16th largest country.
01:33 < Dcoetzee> Nearly 2M sq km in it
01:33 < addihockey10> Oh.
01:33 < Dcoetzee> Density is 125 per km^2 or 323 per sq mi
01:34 < addihockey10> Still.
01:34 < Dcoetzee> 84th in the world
01:34 < addihockey10> What's first?
01:34 < Dcoetzee> Probably Vatican City
01:34 < SigmaWP> [01:31:41] �<�dtm�>� if only they'd *each* make only *one* article!
01:34 < SigmaWP> Rolandhelper nation
01:34 < SigmaWP> Euugh
01:34 < Dcoetzee> Nope Vatican City is #6
01:34 < addihockey10> Good night all
01:34 < SigmaWP> night
01:34 < SigmaWP> guten nuit
01:34 < SigmaWP> bon nacht
01:34 < addihockey10> No...
01:34 < dtm> :-I
01:34 < Dcoetzee> addihockey10: Night! #1 is the Chinese territory of Macau btw. Or Monaco, if that doesn't count.
01:35 < addihockey10> Ah.
01:35 < Dcoetzee> Which have 20K people and 18K people per sq km, respectively
01:35 < addihockey10> Auf wiedershien!
01:35 * Dcoetzee waves
01:35 < addihockey10> O_O
01:35 < Dcoetzee> For comparison, the US has 34
01:36 < addihockey10> What does Canada have
01:36 < Dcoetzee> 4
01:36 < Dcoetzee> :-P
01:36 < addihockey10> Lol
01:36 < addihockey10> Russia?
01:36 < addihockey10> (then bedtime)
01:36 < Dcoetzee> The least dense of all proper states is Mongolia
01:36 < Dcoetzee> At 2
01:36 < addihockey10> Not bad.
01:36 < Dcoetzee> Australia is 3
01:37 < Dcoetzee> Russia is 9
01:37 < Dcoetzee> er 8
01:37 < addihockey10> Australia doesn't count XD
01:37 < addihockey10> Bight.
01:37 < Dcoetzee> Singapore is also super dense
01:37 < Dcoetzee> 7,546
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01:37 < Dcoetzee> Night!
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01:41 < SigmaWP> good night
01:41 < a930913> Dcoetzee: London, or England?
01:41 < Dcoetzee> a930913: Hmm?
01:41 < Dcoetzee> Context?
01:41 < a930913> Dcoetzee: Density.
01:42 < Dcoetzee> UK is 260
01:42 < Dcoetzee> #51 in world
01:42 < a930913> Dcoetzee: Do you have anything more specific than the whole of the UK?
01:43 < Dcoetzee> Well I can calculate it easily enough. London has 8.2M people over 1570 km^2, or 5205 per sq km
01:44 < Dcoetzee> Not as dense as Monaco or Singapore. But it's up there.
01:45 < Dcoetzee> England has 53M people over 130,395 km^2, or 407 per sq km
01:45 < Dcoetzee> That is comparable to Rwanda and Puerto Rico
01:45 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: thought it was bangladesh
01:45 * wctaiwan checks
01:45 < wctaiwan> oh fine, you're right
01:46 < wctaiwan> Bangladesh is only 12th, huh.
01:46 * Dcoetzee pings a930913 with figures
01:46 < Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: Yep. Bangladesh is however the most densely populated nation over 2,000 sq km in area
01:46 < a930913> Dcoetzee: Cool. I wonder what the square mile would be.
01:47 < russavia> jetro -- 
-- #truestory
01:47 < wctaiwan> i.e. most densely populated country that is more than a city state.
01:47 < Dcoetzee> Yup
01:47 < wctaiwan> hm, not quite
01:47 < Dcoetzee> I'm not sure if Hong Kong counts as a city-state or not
01:48 < Jetro> haha
01:48 < wctaiwan> maldives is also not a city state
01:48 < Jetro> I should probably know the history behind
01:48 < Jetro> it
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01:48 < Dcoetzee> Hong Kong is 1,1101 km^2 which seems a bit large... that can't all be city
01:48 < wctaiwan> russavia: I've sort of been meaning to make one about Diaoyu / Senkaku Islands
01:48 < russavia> wctaiwan--there's already one
01:49 < wctaiwan> basically China and Japan fight over it and get all angry, meanwhile Taiwan and Japan fight over it--and then spray each other with squirt guns.
01:49 < wctaiwan> because deep down we <3 each other (well, a lot of us)
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01:49 < Dcoetzee> Wasn't there an Arbcom case over Senkaku Islands?
01:49 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_activists_land_on_Senkaku_Islands.png -- this was done at time of rover landing
01:49 < Dcoetzee> Ah there was
01:50 < Dcoetzee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku_Islands
01:50 < wctaiwan> russavia: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Tokyo-fires-water-cannons-against-Taipei-in-Diaoyu-/-Senkakuwar-25907.html random google result on what I'm talking about.
01:50 < wctaiwan> seriously, I lol'd hard when I saw the story.
01:50 < russavia> OMG -- Russia really does hate dogs -- 
01:50 < wctaiwan> chinese people burn and loot stores selling sony products
01:51 < Dcoetzee> Here's a fun surprising fact: the population density of *all land in the world* is higher than the population density of the United States.
01:51 < wctaiwan> meanwhile, taiwan and japan wash each other's vessels with water cannons.
01:51 < Dcoetzee> That's including Antarctica.
01:51 < russavia> and it's again #truestory -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog
01:51 < Ironholds> not shocking.
01:51 < wctaiwan> that just means the US has a lower-than-average population density
01:51 < wctaiwan> which is... um, duh. >.>
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01:52 < Dcoetzee> I just find it surprising that it's below average when you include all the outliers.
01:52 < Dcoetzee> The uninhabitable regions.
01:52 < BlastHardcheese> the U.S., where everyone is above average
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02:14 < Dcoetzee> "In a bill passed earlier today, the Government of New Zealand announced that software in the country will no longer be patentable."
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02:16 < a930913> Dcoetzee: Do they have illegal numbers?
02:18 < Dcoetzee> Apparently not - apparently in NZ not only does the gov't unequivocably oppose software patents, so does the software industry.
02:19 < Dcoetzee> "Even New Zealand's largest software exporter, Orion Health, has backed the move, telling the New Zealand Herald that software patents are counter-productive and “get in the way of innovation”."
02:20 < Dcoetzee> The headline is misleading, in that it was never their intent to allow software patents. The previous bill they passed was just ambiguous.
02:20 < Dcoetzee> NZ has been free of such things pretty much forever.
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02:42 < IRWolfie-> Dcoetzee: cool
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03:02 < mareklug> "[03:48:25] <Dcoetzee> Hong Kong is 1,1101 km^2 which seems a bit large... that can't all be city" <-- probably includes all the inland sea?
03:03 < Dcoetzee> I think it's just land area? I dunno
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03:05 < mareklug> and I was told Gaza is the densest-populated area on the planet
03:08 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Gaza Strip is 1.66M people in 360 km^2, or 4603 per km^2
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03:08 < Dcoetzee> Hong Kong is 6516 for comparison
03:09 < Dcoetzee> Gaza City is 449K people in 45 km^2, or 9982 per km^2
03:09 < Dcoetzee> Monaco is 17,676
03:09 < Dcoetzee> So... no :-P
03:10 < mareklug> how old are these numbers for Gaza?
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03:10 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: 2011 estimate and 2009
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03:14 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Legoktm <--people are still adding votes here; not sure if that constitutes voting, as it was to close some 7 hours ago less 7 minutes
03:14 < mareklug> on pl wiki they are very strict about time. :)
03:16 < Dcoetzee> I dunno enough about RfA
03:16 < Dcoetzee> I'm sure the bureaucrat will follow the rules
03:17 < mareklug> I wanted to show you a DSLR deal and ask if you thought it was reasonable equipment for the money.
03:17 < Dcoetzee> Gof or it
03:17 < Dcoetzee> Depends on your needs of course
03:17 < Dcoetzee> Would help if you describe your intended uses
03:18 < mareklug> I am trying to retrieve the tab from my history… general use
03:18 < Dcoetzee> Is there any type of photography you favor or find particularly important?
03:19 < mareklug> http://www.adorama.com/INKD5100KR.html
03:20 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Basically you need to read this review: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5100
03:20 < Dcoetzee> That should settle all doubt in your mind.
03:20 < mareklug> I can only go on what I have been clicking on the most, which is a mixture of landscapes and buildings. :) have not bussied with macro photography, really, or seriously with portraiture
03:20 < Dcoetzee> It's a very good price on the D5100, and image quality is comparable to that of the D7000
03:20 < Dcoetzee> But it doesn't have wireless flash support, so it's not so great for studio work.
03:20 < Dcoetzee> Which doesn't seem to be a thing you do anyway :-P
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03:21 < mareklug> i was thinking about wireless. it does have a usb port, does it not? so could one not dongle something up (as in cobble up a transmitter)
03:22 < Dcoetzee> Also no autofocus motor means you can only use it with lenses that have their own autofocus motor... which most Nikon lenses do, but all bets are off on third party lenses
03:23 < Dcoetzee> If you were planning to save money by buying third party lenses, that might not be a good strategy
03:23 < mareklug> I also don't know if it would attach my screwmount pentax lens with some adapter, or take my film nikon lens from N70
03:23 < Dcoetzee> It sounds like you may not care about autofocus :-P
03:24 < Dcoetzee> There are Pentax/Nikon adapters but you typically lose a lot of electronic control
03:24 < mareklug> it's nice on the N70 and SF-1 Pentax I have, but I grew up on diddling the focus...
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03:25 < Dcoetzee> I kinda doubt you could rig up wireless flash through the USB port... without a looot of hacking
03:25 < Dcoetzee> Much less get it to do TTL
03:26 < mareklug> anyway, geniice was of the opinion that you would have to pay a lot more for a better quality more contemporary Nikon.
03:26 < Dcoetzee> My advice is to look at the next camera up in the line
03:26 < Dcoetzee> Which is the D7000
03:26 < Dcoetzee> Find the best price you can and compare feature set
03:26 < Dcoetzee> You can choose between those then
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03:27 < mareklug> have not seen a refurbished price on the D7000. Will look.
03:27 < Dcoetzee> And seriously please do read the entire dpreview review. It is detailed as all hell and really insightful.
03:27 < mareklug> ok, thanks
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03:28 < Dcoetzee> http://www.adorama.com/INKD7000R.html
03:28 < Dcoetzee> That's a refurbed D7000
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03:31 < iDangerMouse> Video: ‘Sea monster’ washed up on shore in New Zealand
03:31 < iDangerMouse> Anyone wants to see it?
03:31 < Dcoetzee> ...ok
03:32 < iDangerMouse> http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/video-sea-monster-washed-up-on-shore-in-new-zealand-29254173.html
03:32 < iDangerMouse> Looks like a mutated whale.
03:32 < mareklug> so 250 + price of that zoom lens, which I think is about 110
03:32 < iDangerMouse> mareklug: Hello.
03:32 < mareklug> iDangerMouse washes up on our shores! can you travel to Canada yet?
03:34 < iDangerMouse> Not only that, 21 countries without a visa :D
03:34 < mareklug> Dcoetzee is there a equally detailed review of the D7000?
03:34 < Dcoetzee> Of course :-)
03:34 < Dcoetzee> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond7000
03:35 < iDangerMouse> Dcoetzee: You're beautiful. I meant the camera.
03:35 < mareklug> so you think (thank you) that it is worth to spend the extra 360?
03:35 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Also don't overlook the bar down at the bottom - it's multiple pages
03:35 < Dcoetzee> That really depends
03:36 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: I feel like for you this will be the biggest selling point for the D7000:
03:36 < Dcoetzee> "the D7000 supports AF with Nikon's older AF and AF-D lenses (lower-end models are limited to compatibility with AF-S and AF-I optics only) but additionally, because the D7000 has an Ai indexing tab on its lens mount, up to 9 'non-CPU' lenses can also be registered with the camera. "
03:36 < Dcoetzee> Long story short, it's *way* more compatible with lenses that aren't latest-gen Nikon lenses
03:37 < mareklug> indeed. why do they limit registering lenses?
03:37 < Dcoetzee> I dunno, I haven't used that feature much
03:37 < mareklug> aha. so you use the D7000
03:38 < Dcoetzee> Well no, but I use D800 which has all the same features but is better :-P
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03:38 < mareklug> why does it have one zero less? :)
03:38 < Dcoetzee> That's how it works with Nikons, smaller numbers are usually better :-P
03:38 < Dcoetzee> It's weird
03:39 < mareklug> how much more is the D800 over D7000? (I am just morbidly curious)
03:39 < Dcoetzee> D800 is $3000
03:39 < Dcoetzee> Maybe less if you find a refurb unit
03:40 < mareklug> that's a macintosh!
03:40 < Dcoetzee> Indeed
03:40 < Dcoetzee> But it's got a ridiculous nice sensor in it
03:40 < Dcoetzee> It's been compared in quality to medium format cameras
03:40 < Dcoetzee> And it's full frame
03:40 < mareklug> surely they overprice the sensor. it cannot be that expensive to make
03:41 < Dcoetzee> D7000 etc. as well as the D300 predecessor are DX frame
03:41 < mareklug> DX being?
03:42 < mareklug> iDangerMouse you did not reply
03:42 < Dcoetzee> It's a crop sensor (smaller sensor than full frame). It basically means if you have an x mm lens, the image you get is as though you used a 1.5x mm lens.
03:42 < Dcoetzee> Also the D800 is 36 MP, and I love pixels, so the choice was easy for me. :-P
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03:42 < iDangerMouse> mareklug: I did, I can travel legally to 23 countries without a visa!
03:43 < mareklug> but are they countries you would want to be caught in? :) is Canada one of them?
03:43 < iDangerMouse> mareklug: I can live in Canada no probs :)
03:43 < iDangerMouse> I just have stuff to finish so I'll make a move in Jan or Feb.
03:44 < mareklug> and USA? can you get here?
03:44 < iDangerMouse> Yeah, but... I have to go NY first.
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03:45 < mareklug> Dcoetzee interesting; D7000 is an older design than D5100 by a year. Is Nikon making new things in 2013?
03:45 < IRWolfie-> legoktm: congrats
03:46 < iDangerMouse> legoktm: Hei.
03:46 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: I don't know what new is coming
03:46 < mareklug> more to the point, is the DSLR high price here to stay or are things getting less expensive over time?
03:46 < iDangerMouse> mareklug: After New York, I'd see you for sure.
03:47 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Things are only getting cheaper
03:47 < mareklug> iDangerMouse we could take a sentimental journey to Champaign and meet legoktm our new admin
03:47 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Mirrorless cameras have entered the market and are making things more competitive for everyone
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03:47 < iDangerMouse> mareklug: Champaign is a no no..... I'd probably come across Anne no thank you!
03:47 < Dcoetzee> Of course Nikon will keep banking off their brand name, so they'll remain one of the most expensive
03:48 < mareklug> this Anne has probably long graduated and moved to Colorado with the rest of exgfs. I know mine did.
03:48 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I_found_this_shot_rather..._disturbing_(8573714805).jpg this is awesome
03:48 < Dcoetzee> ...whoa
03:48 < iDangerMouse> mareklug: Nope, still lives at Boorkside Lane in Champaign for another 2 yrs I think.
03:49 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I hope you don't mind if I stick a Template:Rename on that :-P
03:49 < iDangerMouse> We taking route 66?
03:49 < russavia> i'm deleting it out of scope
03:49 < Dcoetzee> I don't think it is out of scope!
03:49 < Dcoetzee> But we do need to know what it depicts
03:49 < mareklug> russavia why is it out of scope and why is it disturbing?
03:49 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Read desc
03:49 < russavia> mareklug -- read description
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03:50 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I suggest "Man holding vegetables in Singapore Chinatown"
03:50 < Dcoetzee> Since it's in his "Chinatown" Flickr set
03:50 < mareklug> i read it. it implies what? am I being dense.
03:50 < Dcoetzee> Which is in his "Singapore Places" Collection
03:50 < mareklug> surely description strings don't make things out of scope
03:51 < russavia> mareklug -- follow the description
03:51 < russavia> you are so dense
03:52 < mareklug> I AM following directions. still just a dude with some tobacco-like leaves in his hands. at most, something that looks like a chicken undergoing plucking. none of it disturbing.
03:52 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: The placement of the vegetables in front of the woman's head, and the pattern of shadows, makes it look like a scary face
03:52 < mareklug> oh, the woman.
03:52 < mareklug> i missed the woman
03:52 < Dcoetzee> Or is it a man? I can't tell
03:52 < Dcoetzee> Whatever
03:52 < mareklug> I have very good depth of field control :) :) :)
03:53 < russavia> could also be an example of "illusion"
03:53 < mareklug> russavia you guys are trying too much. keep the picture.
03:53 < iDangerMouse> mareklug: Are we taking route 66 to see legoktm ?
03:54 < Dcoetzee> I want to keep the pic but with my suggested rename :-P
03:54 < mareklug> iDangerMouse I am not sure it exists in Illinois anymore. I would just go down I-57
03:54 < Dcoetzee> Since it is definitely taken in Singapore Chinatown
03:54 < mareklug> it's boring enough all that flat farmland
03:54 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I_LOVE_POLISH_GIRLS_(8125532498).jpg
03:54 < Dcoetzee> ...
03:54 < mareklug> definitely rename it.
03:54 < Dcoetzee> How do you find the most hialrious filenames
03:54 < iDangerMouse> Okay.
03:54 < iDangerMouse> Dcoetzee: He has too much time on his hands..
03:54 < russavia> my upload cleanup category is full of such stuff
03:54 < mareklug> at least the I love Polish girls is a good file name
03:55 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I_get_no..._(8050790483).jpg
03:55 < Dcoetzee> I suggest the filename: T-shirt reading "I Love Polish Girls".jpg
03:55 < mareklug> Dcoetzee I think I want something like your D800 but at 700 dollar level. :)
03:56 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: And I want 10 year copyright terms :-)
03:56 < mareklug> Dcoetzee but I think the marketplace is converging ont that, realistically. I can wait a year.
03:56 < mareklug> it does not have to be Nikon
03:57 < Dcoetzee> I think that's not quite realistic - the sensor in the D800 alone costs more than that to produce - but prices are dropping.
03:57 < Dcoetzee> russavia: Another clever filename :-P
03:57 < mareklug> we shall see. I actually want to know how much the sensor costs to produce. vs. is retailed for.
03:58 < russavia> the polish girls one i know a use for
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03:59 * Mouse|Working snuggles russavia for old times...
03:59 < Dcoetzee> Awww
04:00 * wctaiwan snuggles Dcoetzee
04:00 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I_usually_put_beer_to_cool_in_my_bidet,_others_find_different_uses_for_it_(464047824).jpg
04:00 * Dcoetzee hugs wctaiwan :-)
04:00 < wctaiwan> in case you were missing the love :p
04:01 < wctaiwan> that should be renamed.
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04:01 < Dcoetzee> I think Russavia is going through his "needs rename" list
04:01 < mareklug> russavia that is cuz the dude does not have one of our American toilet tanks (sits right behind the loo). That is the historical place to store beer, if you don't mind reduced flushing volume.
04:02 < russavia> mareklug - that photo is in uganda
04:02 < russavia> dcoetzee-- i am going thru one of the biggest categories on commons
04:02 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Files_uploaded_by_Russavia_(cleanup)
04:02 < Dcoetzee> Ha
04:02 < Dcoetzee> A cleanup category all to yourself
04:02 < russavia> yep
04:02 < russavia> it increases in size every now and again
04:03 < russavia> i keep uploading whilst i cleanup
04:03 < russavia> there is one category that really needs a lot of renaming though
04:04 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Texas_Renaissance_Festival
04:04 < wctaiwan> on enwiki you'd have been blocked for not cleaning up your own mess
04:04 < wctaiwan> but I see that other problems got you first ;-)
04:04 < russavia> what mess wctaiwan?
04:04 < Dcoetzee> Commons is all about uploading lots of potentially useful stuff and cleaning it up later
04:04 < Dcoetzee> It's not very practical to do otherwise.
04:05 < russavia> wctaiwan -- look at the parent category
04:05 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_uploaded_by_Russavia 73,445 files all clean
04:05 < wctaiwan> I'm just teasing
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04:06 < p858snake|l> or is he…
04:07 < mareklug> Dcoetzee "AF can be hesitant in poor light" no excuse for that
04:07 < wctaiwan> p858snake|l: oh, quiet you.
04:07 < wctaiwan> back on the other network you go >.>
04:08 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Well they usually have an AF assist light, but at least on my camera it doesn't work unless the focus point is centered
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04:08 < Dcoetzee> You can't expect any camera to focus in the dark :-P
04:08 < Dcoetzee> Some are better than others though
04:08 < mareklug> IR
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04:14 < wctaiwan> thanks Theopolisme, not being an admin or having any DYK/GA/FA I didn't know how those icons worked :p
04:14 < wctaiwan> ec'd you trying to fix it
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04:20 < russavia> why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:US_War_on_Terror on the Yemen article? talk about POV
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04:25 < mareklug> wctaiwan so I basically had to jump through hoops in order to save my 3 years worth of backup on my 2009 Time Capsule, when Time Machine offered to helpfully wipe it clean and start anew. The rescue basically amounts to resetting via chflags from command line, hdiutil attaching and waiting for the fsck to finish, then censoring some plist stuff. I wish Apple would make this GUI-automated instead of scaring people into throwing their
04:25 < mareklug> backups away.
04:25 < wctaiwan> >.<
04:26 < wctaiwan> why did it suddenly fail?
04:26 < mareklug> it comes about from a failed verification
04:26 < petan> seriously - are you a programmer? buy a cheap laptop with minimal operating memory and sucky hardware - you will write brilliant sw :P
04:26 < mareklug> essentially a form of fsck.
04:26 < wctaiwan> and also, I thought time machine was sync'd to your hard drive
04:26 < wctaiwan> petan: he is not. he sears by high end macs and keeps using them for 10 years.
04:26 < wctaiwan> I agree with you, really.
04:27 < petan> I bought a laptop with 2gb of ram only and it forced me to rewrite my app so it eats 32mb instead of 460mb
04:27 < mareklug> wctaiwan petan my job description was programmer. that I was incompetent at it does not change the fact that I earned a living at it. :) :) :)
04:27 < petan> functionality is same :D
04:27 < petan> performance is 100 times better too
04:27 < petan> all I needed was a slow laptop :P
04:27 < wctaiwan> heh.
04:28 < petan> all these kids with they 4 core cpu's are writing ugly crap these days
04:28 < mareklug> seriously, I thrived as a research/member of techical stuff dude. Programming was ok, until I met Java and tried to use Swing to do what needed hand-rolled widgets.
04:28 < wctaiwan> yeah, these days I'm like.. fuck disk based algorithms
04:28 < wctaiwan> just read the whole damn thing into the memory
04:28 < mareklug> staff *
04:28 < wctaiwan> mareklug: not questioning your credentials, was just saying programming doesn't appear to be your day job.
04:28 < mareklug> nope
04:29 < wctaiwan> also petan, the 4 cores part doesn't matter.
04:30 < wctaiwan> unless you're talking about people who can't write good code being able to parallelise their applications...
04:30 < petan> well, the performance in overall does, and 4 cores have impact on that, just as frequency, cache size etc
04:30 < petan> 4 cores do affect even no - parallel programs
04:30 < wctaiwan> only in the sense that you have more cpu time to yourself.
04:30 < wctaiwan> ...which I suppose is a pretty big factor. fine.
04:30 < petan> because it speed up whole OS so there are more resources available to you
04:31 < petan> exactly...
04:31 < mareklug> wctaiwan petan some of the best memory management programming was done long ago on tiny resources
04:31 < petan> well, just switching to GTK freed some 200mb of ram
04:32 < petan> <3
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04:35 < mareklug> russavia "Sex-starved bears maul each other to death at Egyptian zoo over male
04:35 < mareklug> Workers try to separate Lolo, Farah and Nabila — all American black bears — but the bears end up dying after Saturday's hours-long battle. The object of their affection, Hani, is spotted the next day with another female."
04:35 < mareklug> ah those Americans.
04:35 < russavia> haahaha
04:38 < mareklug> I knew that subscribing to a Daily News daily summary was going to be profitable
04:42 < wctaiwan> mareklug: wait, so three male bears fought over a lesbian female bear?
04:42 < wctaiwan> that's pretty funny xD
04:42 < wctaiwan> um, not funny that they died, but.. yeah.
04:42 < russavia> Lolo, Farah and Nabila -- male names? I think not
04:42 < wctaiwan> oh wait
04:43 < wctaiwan> I thought Hani was female.
04:43 < russavia> there's too many funny things one could say about that story,but i'm biting my tongue
04:43 < wctaiwan> yes, not here, russavia :p
04:43 < russavia> what was the other female bear's name?
04:44 < mareklug> wctaiwan they were girls. only girls catfight to death.
04:44 < wctaiwan> I see.
04:44 < wctaiwan> (and that's pretty sexist >.>)
04:44 < mareklug> that they managed to die all of them is very sad and very weird.
04:45 < mareklug> yes, it is sexist, as in pertaining to describing sex-conditioned behavior. what of it?
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04:48 < BobTheWikipedian> question--
04:49 < BobTheWikipedian> is "oriental" a derogatory term these days? i know last time i was talking about asians i said something i didn't know was derogatory, but don't remember what it was
04:49 < wctaiwan> I don't think it is, but I may be wrong
04:49 < russavia> Mandarian Oriental
04:50 < BobTheWikipedian> i am planning on teaching the kids about oriental music today
04:50 < BobTheWikipedian> east asian
04:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug also cats :p
04:50 < mareklug> BobTheWikipedian it is antiquated and in disfavor in anthropology and culture studies
04:50 < wctaiwan> I think oriental music is an established term?
04:50 < BobTheWikipedian> oooo should i say east asian then?
04:51 < russavia> bobthewikipedian --teach them about tyvan throat singing
04:51 < BobTheWikipedian> haha
04:51 < BobTheWikipedian> i haven't practiced it lately russavia
04:51 < wctaiwan> http://google.com/search?q=oriental+derogatory
04:51 < wctaiwan> you're not the only one wondering.
04:51 < mareklug> russavia Tuvan *
04:51 < russavia> Tyvan
04:52 < russavia> you imperialist!
04:52 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvan_throat_singing
04:52 < wctaiwan> BobTheWikipedian: it's more offensive to incorrectly identify the country of origin of people
04:52 < mareklug> russavia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvans
04:52 < mareklug> so up yours, pom
04:52 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyva
04:52 < russavia> you russian imperialist!!
04:52 < BobTheWikipedian> ah. so if i say "the oriental guy" that would be offensive
04:52 < russavia> Tuva is russian
04:52 < russavia> Tyva is Tyvan
04:52 < mareklug> russavia indeed follow your own link.
04:52 < BobTheWikipedian> but oriental music or oriental food is fine
04:52 < mareklug> a mere redirect
04:52 < wctaiwan> I don't know.
04:52 < mareklug> to Tuva
04:53 < wctaiwan> but oriental music sounds safe enough to be.
04:53 < wctaiwan> s/be/me/
04:53 < BobTheWikipedian> lol
04:53 < wctaiwan> definitely don't call a taiwanese person thai.
04:53 < wctaiwan> -_-
04:53 < BobTheWikipedian> i know i read something once on ehow or wikihow about how to talk to korean women
04:53 < BobTheWikipedian> it said do not ask them what country they are from
04:53 < mareklug> BobTheWikipedian in English, if you only can.
04:54 < wctaiwan> o_O huh
04:54 < russavia> mareklug, how about Cracow -- we really should move that article to its english name
04:54 < mareklug> feel free. you of EE ban. :)
04:54 * wctaiwan wonders if Senkaku Islands is still move protected >.>
04:54 < BobTheWikipedian> apparently asians take offense if you cannot tell whether they are chinese, japanese, korean, vietnamese...
04:54 < wctaiwan> yup, it is.
04:55 < mareklug> BobTheWikipedian EEs also do. Call a Pole Romanian, and you have it coming
04:55 < russavia> bobthewikipedian -- do it in this type of voice....it won't be offensive at all -- 
04:55 < BobTheWikipedian> lol i was watching get smart...there were two japanese criminals
04:55 < wctaiwan> I don't mind if people ask me where I'm from, I do mind if I say I'm from Taiwan and then they proceed to assume I'm Chinese.
04:55 < BobTheWikipedian> one accidentally goes after the wrong man
04:55 < BobTheWikipedian> "you amelicans, you arr rook arike"
04:56 < russavia> well according to the international community you are chinese :P
04:56 < BobTheWikipedian> lol taiwan
04:56 < russavia> bobthewikipedian dress up as Yunioshi for your class
04:56 < BobTheWikipedian> haha
04:57 < mareklug> Dcoetzee my first camera
04:57 < mareklug> http://mattsclassiccameras.com/praktica_llc.html
04:57 < BobTheWikipedian> well now that i have upset american relations with the far east, i shall make my escape
04:58 < wctaiwan> hahaha.
04:58 < wctaiwan> good luck with your teaching.
04:59 < mareklug> BobTheWikipedian you meant to type, with them orientals.
04:59 < BobTheWikipedian> have a good day everyone, and a good night people's republic of china, south korea, north korea, taiwan, japan, mongolia, tibet, vietnam, and so on
04:59 < mareklug> you can't mix mongolians into this. they are the ones with kefir.
04:59 < BobTheWikipedian> lol
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05:01 < wctaiwan> hehe ;-)
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05:03 < mareklug> russavia "Premier Jarosław Kaczyński? Eksperci po raz pierwszy przyznają: PiS może wygrać wybory"
05:03 < mareklug> that would be a sad day for Poland.
05:03 < mareklug> and great day for plandballkind.
05:03 < mareklug> polandballkind *
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05:08 < mareklug> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2013/05/new-google-maps-interface.html
05:11 < mareklug> http://www.tweaktown.com/news/30265/nasa-to-get-rid-of-windows-on-the-international-space-station-will-replace-it-with-linux/index.html Debian linux, to be precise
05:11 < petan> LOL
05:11 < petan> no wonder space program was expensive
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05:12 < mareklug> they will use Debian Obsolete But Super Fucking Stable, 6
05:13 < petan> heh
05:13 < petan> I run only sid these days
05:13 < petan> debian is really too obsolete for me
05:13 < mareklug> that is the unstable?
05:13 < petan> that is the MEGA unstable
05:13 < petan> there stable / unstable / sid
05:13 < mareklug> there is also experimental, what is that named after?
05:14 < wctaiwan> mareklug: wheezy was released only days ago!
05:14 < petan> sid is most unstable but most new packages
05:14 < mareklug> i have 7 already on my vm/iMac
05:14 < petan> it runs far newer packages than ubuntu
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05:25 < russavia> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22462181 "Vatican declares Mexican Death Saint blasphemous"
05:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> MDS?
05:37 < wctaiwan> oh dear I'm tired.
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05:46 < murc> another notable arrest in montreal this morning
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05:49 < russavia> anyone in boston? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IDG!_(8433279330).jpg -- is this Exeter Street?
05:50 < murc> hey russavia :)
05:53 < mareklug> russavia https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.349756,-71.078999&spn=0.01,0.01&t=h&q=42.349756,-71.078999
05:53 < mareklug> if you believe the coords
05:53 < russavia> yeah butit's not that street due to the waterfront
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05:54 < russavia> or you mean as in taken from the boston public library?
05:54 < Jetro> h
05:55 < russavia> yeah it is exeter
05:55 < mareklug> it sure is; see street view
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05:56 < murc> morning
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05:56 < murc> this just in, bail f0r Ariel Castro is set at 8 million $ US
05:56 < mareklug> link some tasty Montréal food for us, derp, erm murc
05:57 < murc> I'm eating sum rite now
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05:58 < mareklug> is that sum as in dim sum, or sum as is ignorant spelling of some?
05:58 < Jetro> im having sum problems
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06:00 < murc> mareklug: i'm eating some eggs :)
06:00 < murc> with bacon :)
06:00 < mareklug> does not sound very Montréal specific just yet.
06:01 < murc> it has salad
06:01 < murc> fruits
06:02 < murc> former mayor of laval (gilles vaillancourt) , 2nd biggest town in quebec has been arrested this morning
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06:07 < russavia> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/stop-persecution-of-old-men-by-lowering-age-of-consent-to-13-says-top-human-rights-barrister-8608794.html is this crazy bitch for real
06:09 < mareklug> it's Barbara Hewson, huh.
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06:10 < russavia> jetro -- 
-- prepare for norwegian liberation
06:11 < Jetro> hahah
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06:11 < Jetro> Capn. America is of comings
06:12 < russavia> norway can into liberating for freedoms
06:12 * iDangerMouse slaps Jetro
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06:13 < Jetro> ouch
06:13 < Jetro> time for freedoms
06:14 < Jetro> RELEASE THE OIIIL
06:14 < Jetro> make america all slippery
06:14 < russavia> we demand freedom for norway's oil!
06:15 < iDangerMouse> What's good in Norway?
06:15 < Jetro> I dunno nothing CUZ THOSE ROM PEOPLE COME STEALING OUR FOOD BOO HOO
06:15 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie%20%28Norwegian%20singer%29
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06:16 < mareklug> except she is physically in Berlin, so you are out of luck
06:16 < iDangerMouse> I got dumped by a Norwegian lol
06:16 < Jetro> ;o
06:16 < iDangerMouse> Because I said no you can't have my Canadian passport :P
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06:16 < Jetro> >(
06:16 < Jetro> why did he/she want that
06:17 < iDangerMouse> Now she is dating some American dude for his nationality
06:17 < mareklug> that does not sound right. I would rather date a Norwegian girl for her nationality.
06:17 < iDangerMouse> According to the stats Norwegians are pretty happy, they don't want to get out of Norway.
06:18 < Jetro> I want to go see rest of the world
06:18 < Jetro> but trouble is you get paid badly if you have no education, like me.
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06:18 < mareklug> Jetro have you even been to lapland?
06:18 < Jetro> I think so
06:18 < Jetro> If it's just the northern part an that
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06:19 < iDangerMouse> Lapland is in Finland.
06:19 < iDangerMouse> I think
06:19 < mareklug> Norway curves over Finland, so some of it is in Norway
06:20 < iDangerMouse> I bet there is a Pokemon named after a Norwegian animal.
06:20 < mareklug> "Music you have in common includes ABBA, Dead Kennedys, Genesis, The Smiths and The Cardigans." Now here is a girl who varies her music, not like you, Mr. Eurovision Jetro. And she is in Laos. talk about exotic.
06:20 < Jetro> iDangerMouse: No, but totally should be. :D
06:20 < Jetro> or elks
06:20 < Jetro> or moose
06:20 < Jetro> as you call them
06:20 < Jetro> mareklug wat.
06:21 < Jetro> I would say, now here's a lady with bad taste
06:21 < Jetro> :D
06:21 < mareklug> Jetro we all have bad taste, except that it is you who does not eat fish when he has perfect access to the best in the world, and listens to crap music like Eurovision and Muse. Jesus Fucking Christ.
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06:22 < iDangerMouse> SARAH NATOCHENNY is cute, voice behind Ash.
06:22 < Jetro> I don't wanna see Jesus Fucking Christ
06:22 < Jetro> you sick bastard
06:23 < mareklug> then Jesus ON a Stick.
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06:23 < mareklug> btw http://www.last.fm/user/RaquelTogepi
06:23 < Jetro> okay
06:23 < Jetro> but no
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06:25 < mareklug> and my fisrt last.fm friend was Elin, Norwegian http://www.last.fm/user/twist3dXx
06:26 < mareklug> Your musical compatibility with twist3dXx is SUPER
06:26 < mareklug> Music you have in common includes Marina & the Diamonds, Metric, Team Me, Lana Del Rey and Chumbawamba.
06:26 < Jetro> I must remove you since you rage so much about people don't liking what you do
06:26 < Jetro> :3
06:26 < mareklug> you are my only VERY LOW. it is educational.
06:27 < Jetro> Australia has its own Eurovision radio channel :o
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06:28 < mareklug> have you heard any of their stuff? it's unreal. http://www.last.fm/music/Bulgarian+Female+Choir
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06:32 < mareklug> Jetro this is the only Radio Head I recommend :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSjYDJtX_-E
06:32 < Jetro> I recommend Creep
06:32 < mareklug> Talking Heads Radio Head (HQ)
06:32 < Jetro> and Karma Police
06:32 < Jetro> and the rest I haven't really heard yet
06:32 < Jetro> not thourougyhlhhgly
06:32 < Jetro> But no-one can recommend music to me
06:32 < Jetro> that's not how I get into it
06:32 < Jetro> :D
06:33 < Jetro> Cuz' I didn't really care for it until a few years ago
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06:33 < mareklug> well then you should be especially amenable to recommendations, since you missed out on the best of it, not being into it or even physically around when the best stuff was done.
06:34 < Jetro> no
06:34 < Jetro> you got it all wrong, maaan
06:34 < Jetro> if you try to force-feed people stuff, they will probably dislike it more than like it
06:34 < Jetro> also your taste is wrong
06:34 < Jetro> :D
06:35 < Jetro> like you love to say..
06:35 < Jetro> anyway, see ya
06:35 < mareklug> Jetro you could not begin to map my taste, silly nonfisher.
06:35 < Jetro> I'm hittin the world hard
06:38 < russavia> mareklug-- compare this FP(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frecce_Tricolori_RIAT_2011.JPG) to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Il_Frecce_Tricolori_07_(5969389745).jpg and tell me whether latter is FP too
06:39 < mareklug> can you make the first link work? space it
06:39 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frecce_Tricolori_RIAT_2011.JPG
06:40 < mareklug> what happened? it looks on fucking steroids. it's HDR, right?
06:40 < russavia> nope
06:40 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Il_Frecce_Tricolori_01_(5969368585).jpg is another such
06:42 < mareklug> after seeing hte first picture, I would ahve a difficult time accepting the other two as FPs
06:42 < russavia> i'd have trouble accepting the first to be frank
06:43 < mareklug> well it shows the unusual smoke coloring
06:43 < mareklug> so it has educational value
06:43 < russavia> the aircraft colour is very flat in the first
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06:44 < mareklug> i like it flat like that. they are painted flat gray usually
06:44 < mareklug> to blend
06:45 < russavia> demonstration teams? they are supposed to stand out not blend
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06:50 < mareklug> color me navy gray, but I want my jets thunder by realistically. maybe even drop some guided ordnance
06:50 < mareklug> to thunder by *
06:52 < mareklug> Pandora wants 3.99 year, and says: No Ads, and underneath that: "· Fewer Interruptions" what the fuck? why ANY?
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06:54 < Orbiliusmagister> Hi!
06:54 < Orbiliusmagister> I'm an Italian user from Wikisource
06:55 < IRWolfie-> o/
06:55 < Orbiliusmagister> I need a little advice from another continent...
06:55 < mareklug> Orbiliusmagister our most faraway continent is Australia. You want advice from the notorious russavia
06:56 < russavia> me no speaking of english, only italiano
06:56 < russavia> oops
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06:57 < Orbiliusmagister> LOL!
06:57 < Orbiliusmagister> Let me explain
06:57 < mareklug> Orbiliusmagister can you recommend a good blue cheese from Italia that is not Gorgonzola?
06:58 < Orbiliusmagister> On it.source we host a Fontaine's fables translated by emilio de Marchi
06:58 < Orbiliusmagister> that book is certainly out of copyright
06:58 < mareklug> when did de Marchi translate them?
06:59 < Orbiliusmagister> XIX century
06:59 < Orbiliusmagister> At length GoogleBooks has it: http://books.google.it/books?id=L0FwtwAACAAJ
07:00 < Orbiliusmagister> but form Italy it's unreadable.
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07:00 < Orbiliusmagister> Is it downloadable from Canada, or USA? (or Australia :D)
07:00 < Orbiliusmagister> *from
07:01 < mareklug> Orbiliusmagister I can see the page, but what is it that you want downloaded? surely not the whole book
07:01 < mareklug> Informazioni bibliografiche
07:01 < mareklug> Titolo Le favole di La Fontaine
07:01 < mareklug> Autori Jean de La Fontaine, Emilio De Marchi
07:01 < mareklug> Editore E. Sonzogno, 1889
07:01 < mareklug> Lunghezza 712 pagine
07:02 < Orbiliusmagister> mareklug: you can do something more than me (I can't even peruse a snippet)
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07:02 < mareklug> sure. but I see no snippet preview either, or search.
07:02 < Orbiliusmagister> I wish I could download it to match it with our transciption
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07:03 < mareklug> that is not how Google Books works. :) on the ohter hand, http://www.worldcat.org/title/favole-di-la-fontaine/oclc/28095428
07:04 < mareklug> see if it is ina a library near you
07:05 < Orbiliusmagister> mareklug: I knew that some PD books are downloadable from countries with a shorter term :/
07:05 < mareklug> Orbiliusmagister where are you?
07:05 < Orbiliusmagister> I live in Italy (Verona)
07:05 < mareklug> Verona is close to Trento (to the North), no?
07:06 < Orbiliusmagister> mareklug: yes, a 45 minutes by train
07:06 < mareklug> Biblioteca Comunale di Trento
07:06 < mareklug> your own library probably can get it for you through interlibrary loan.
07:07 < Orbiliusmagister> LOLVery interesting...
07:08 < Orbiliusmagister> Oops i typed a LOL without purpose...
07:08 < Orbiliusmagister> I'll have a try
07:09 < mareklug> http://www.trentinocultura.net/frame_ext.asp?IDLink=19
07:12 < mareklug> I think Trento is the closest from all the other options. But you can check my knowledge of Italian geography by typing "Italy" into the search box of that WorldCat link I gave you above.
07:12 < mareklug> also Trento has it as a book and as a digital copy, so that may prove very convenient.
07:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Obama to take our guys???
07:13 < Orbiliusmagister> strange... OCLC doesn't let me search outside USA
07:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> series of tubes are clogged maybe
07:14 < mareklug> Orbiliusmagister OCLC stands for Ohio Council of Libraries Cunts (or something), so I am not surprised). But WorldCat will let you input countries in English, though not "Verona, Italy"
07:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tell them to pour that anti clogging liquid into their computer :p
07:18 * ToAruShiroiNeko finds fox news in desperate need of more commercials
07:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the more they have the less the country has to endure
07:18 < Orbiliusmagister> AFAIK gorgonzola is a synonim of blue cheese (we call it "green" cheese) in Italy. You can sarch for more information from SlowFood: http://cheese.slowfood.it/welcome_en.lasso
07:19 < mareklug> that's a nice resource, grazie.
07:19 < Orbiliusmagister> mareklug: thank you for all your great advice. I got much more than I asked
07:20 < mareklug> :) no worries.
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07:22 < Dragonfly6-7> anyone here familiar with Czech?
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07:22 < Orbiliusmagister> if you like, surf to it.wikisource... I'm working on a book shared by *three wikis*: http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Indice:Alexander_Pope_-_Pastorals_-_en_it_fr.djvu
07:23 < mareklug> Dragonfly6-7 petan is our resident Czech. He knows all about Czech customs such as eating fries in hamburger buns (without any meat)
07:23 < petan> no I don't
07:23 < mareklug> Orbiliusmagister ok
07:23 < petan> I never saw that in real
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07:23 < mareklug> Dragonfly6-7 he is a reality and probably Holofrenchfriescaust denier
07:23 < petan> that is definitely not a custom :P
07:24 < Dragonfly6-7> I asked a question in #wikipedia-cs and got no reply
07:24 < Dragonfly6-7> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1a.jpg is it reasonable to describe this as "Ukazovatel hrobu, Rouchovany vesnice" ?
07:24 < petan> lol #wikipedia-cs is as much active as #wikimedia-overflow if you want to talk there
07:25 < petan> whatever that sentence is supposed to mean, it sounds like non-sense to me, so it's probably not correct
07:25 < petan> tell me the english version and I will tell you the czech one
07:25 < mareklug> it means grave marker, Rouchovany village
07:25 < Dragonfly6-7> yes
07:25 < Dragonfly6-7> but I know that Czech has various.... uh, declinations? For words in different parts of speech
07:25 < mareklug> petan you are just being ornery. it says "hrobu"
07:26 < greenrosetta> I've been watching this women-novlist thing for a while now and have come to a conclusion.
07:26 < Dragonfly6-7> "1a" is a horrible filename for it; this guy uploaded a bunch of pictures of grave markers in his (?) village and then made an article about "List of grave markers in Rouchovany village"
07:26 < greenrosetta> Categories are a waste of time
07:26 < petan> I would call this "Pomník" (memorial by google translate)
07:27 < mareklug> Pomnik is more of a statue like in a city square, no? or is that only in Polish.
07:27 < petan> so "Pomník nedaleko vesnice Rouchovany"
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07:27 < mareklug> this is definitely a cross marking a grave.
07:27 < petan> (Memorial near Rouchovany village)
07:28 < Dragonfly6-7> going to have some 30 files called that, but with numbers
07:28 < petan> ok, then (Kříž nedaleko vesnice Rouchovany)
07:28 < petan> kriz == cross
07:28 < mareklug> can we make it "grave cross"?
07:28 < mareklug> be nice
07:28 < petan> I don't think there is such a word in czech language...
07:28 < mareklug> atheists.
07:29 < mareklug> don't you say "grave marker"? sure you do. you have cemetaries.
07:29 < Dragonfly6-7> http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seznam_k%C5%99%C3%AD%C5%BE%C5%AF_v_Rouchovanech
07:29 < Dragonfly6-7> what would you call these, then?
07:29 < petan> you could say "Náhrobní kříž" that is something like "cross above the grave"
07:29 < Dragonfly6-7> look at how they're called here
07:29 < Dragonfly6-7> (except I don't know which part means what)
07:30 < petan> they are all just called cross
07:30 < petan> nothing else ;)
07:30 < Dragonfly6-7> list of Crosses in Rouchovany?
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07:30 < petan> Kříž postavený Františkem Ludvíkem roku 1911 - Cross built by Fantisek Ludvik at 1911
07:30 < mareklug> "Kříž postavený obcí Rouchovanskou 1882 " see, this I would call a "pomnik" if you must. it is not a "Náhrobní kříž"
07:30 < mareklug> so Dragonfly6-7 I suggest you go wqith the "Náhrobní kříž" (grave cross)
07:31 < Dragonfly6-7> Náhrobní křížm vesnice Rouchovany
07:31 < Dragonfly6-7> Náhrobní křížm, vesnice Rouchovany
07:31 < mareklug> no.
07:31 < petan> Kříž postavený obcí Rouchovanskou 1882 = Cross built by the Rouchovanska community
07:31 < mareklug> nedaleko vesnice Rouchovany
07:31 < mareklug> near the village of R. order is important
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07:31 < Dragonfly6-7> I was hoping to give them all the same type of name - :"grave cross, Rouchovany village"
07:32 < petan> for some reason pomník makes more sense to me than nahrobni kriz - that is what I would expect on graveyard
07:32 < Dragonfly6-7> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Lubomir.ludvik these filenames are horrible
07:32 < Dragonfly6-7> and I'd *like* to give them Czech filenames because the uploader is Czech
07:32 < petan> to be honest I don't even think that cross is related to some grave
07:33 < mareklug> petan you agree though no one will be confused by Náhrobní křížm vesnice Rouchovany
07:33 < Dragonfly6-7> petan, mareklug - do you suppose *you* could give them new filenames? (Either move them directly, or just tag them for moving)
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07:33 < petan> mareklug TBH I would be myself confused :P I still prefer pomnik
07:33 < mareklug> I have no commons mop. You Dragonfly6-7 are eminently suited for this. we are just about to hash out the final name. hang in there.
07:33 < petan> nahrobni kriz is object that is supposed to be above the grave this doesn't seem to be a grave
07:34 < mareklug> i thought it was.
07:34 < Dragonfly6-7> Template:Rename
07:34 < Dragonfly6-7> add that, and I'll move them
07:34 < petan> I can move it, but I need to know the new name :P
07:34 < mareklug> read the inscription at high magnification. what does it say?
07:34 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug - you don't need the mop to move, just moving permission.
07:35 < mareklug> i have one on en wiki, not on commons (yet).
07:35 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug - I have it on Commons. If you add that Moving template (as shown), I'll implement it for you.
07:35 < petan> no this doesn't seem to be a grave, from writings on the stone I think it's some memorial / religious symbol / whatever :P
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07:35 < mareklug> ok, fuck it. Pomnik then.
07:37 < mareklug> petan will move them all for us, cut down on red tape
07:37 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - confirm?
07:38 < mareklug> Dragonfly6-7 give him the category link or whatever
07:39 < petan> oh I can't login o.O
07:39 < petan> anywhere
07:40 < Dragonfly6-7> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Lubomir.ludvik
07:40 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - there
07:40 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - try restarting your browser?
07:40 < petan> mhm
07:41 < petan> heh :D
07:41 < petan> I switched to czech keyboard so that I can write the punctuation
07:41 < petan> that's why
07:41 < Dragonfly6-7> Ahh
07:41 < mareklug> lol. z for y syndrome
07:41 < petan> mareklug not really, the numbers changed
07:42 < petan> mareklug I am on laptop, no numpad
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07:42 < Dragonfly6-7> petan- you don't want to tell us more about your password, I think
07:42 < petan> are you sure?
07:42 < petan> my password is interesting
07:42 < mareklug> petan Macinosh U.S. Extended (unicode) for the world. No keyboard switchng and all the diacritics known to man, woman, and Czech
07:42 < wctaiwan> ooh ooh, tell me, tell me.
07:42 < Dragonfly6-7> no, it's not "we don't want to know", it's "you don't want to tell us"
07:43 < Dragonfly6-7> a subtle but important distinction, as Mr Assange can attest
07:43 < petan> it contains numbers letters, special symbols, space some other special symbols that aren't on keyboard and weird combination of CR LF symbols
07:43 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - did you see yesterday's XKCD?
07:43 < petan> no but I guess I know which one it was
07:43 < petan> the password crack?
07:44 < petan> :P
07:44 < mareklug> wctaiwan you heard (of) The Cranberries?
07:44 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - nope
07:44 < wctaiwan> nope
07:44 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - read it.
07:44 < wctaiwan> I need to go afk though
07:44 < wctaiwan> so not now
07:44 < petan> link me
07:44 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug - Show Me The Way?
07:44 < mareklug> Show me the Way, but I also am right now listening to Saving Grace
07:45 < Dragonfly6-7> http://xkcd.com/
07:45 < Dragonfly6-7> look look
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07:48 < Dragonfly6-7> oh, also -- note that the guy uploaded all these within the past week, so if you could leave a Czech-language note for him, telling him to use better filenames?
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07:50 < mareklug> Bazinga http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/kwikset-kevo-lock/ oh look, another no-Android iPhone-only use that you don't need, as you use keys.
07:51 < mareklug> Bazinga but as you said, the Bluetooth on iPhone can ONLY be used for Music, if I am quoting you correctly
07:52 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug ?
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07:52 < mareklug> Dragonfly6-7 bazinga sends me love notes about how Apple is crap. He invents all kinds of limitations, so I like to disabuse him when something interesting comes my way.
07:53 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug - could you leave a note (in Czech) for the uploader, so that he doesn't keep doing this?
07:53 < Dragonfly6-7> since he was active as of earlier this week
07:53 < mareklug> Dragonfly6-7 it will not be in Czech. It will be in Polish. :) You really want petan for the note.
07:53 * Dragonfly6-7 sighs
07:53 < Dragonfly6-7> thank you
07:54 < petan> sorry I am in office now :o
07:54 < mareklug> petan you can dictate the noted and i will leave it
07:54 < mareklug> note *
07:54 < mareklug> "Please give your uploads better file names, you turkey".
07:54 < mareklug> for example
07:54 < petan> I think it's better if I send it myself so that he can eventually reply :P
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07:58 < petan> Template:Done
07:59 < petan> this thing: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_naming isn't in czech, no wonder czech people don't know how to name files :P
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08:06 < Dragonfly6-7> oh, you meant "done" for "left him a note", not "did the renaming"
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08:09 < petan> I did the renaming of mentioned picture and sent him a message :P
08:09 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - let me clarify
08:09 < petan> I really can't rename all of them I have a work to do
08:09 < Dragonfly6-7> petan - he's got SEVERAL photos like that
08:09 < petan> I know
08:09 < petan> but I am busy - in work
08:09 < mareklug> 1,2,3 works :/
08:09 < Dragonfly6-7> can you handle it later?
08:09 < petan> if I don't forget
08:10 * Dragonfly6-7 will nag you periodically, then
08:10 < mareklug> aperiodically is more truthful
08:15 < mareklug> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/nsa-manual-on-hacking-internet/ Use These Secret NSA Google Search Tips to Become Your Own Spy Agency
08:15 < mareklug> lol. probably would be useful to googling wikipedians. as a wikipedia page
08:15 < mareklug> wikipedia namespace page, i meant
08:15 < mareklug> http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/Untangling_the_Web.pdf
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08:17 < mareklug> "In recognition of the growing importance and influence of collaborative websites, there are several new sections in this year's book. One is a separate section devoted to Wikipedia, contributed in part by my colleague Diane White."
08:21 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug - which page?
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08:23 < Dragonfly6-7> ha, I pulled the scrollbar around randomly and found it
08:23 < iDangerMouse> hello Dragonfly6-7
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08:24 < iDangerMouse> mareklug I got iPad mini.
08:24 < mareklug> 9
08:24 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en
08:24 < mareklug> iDangerMouse for yourself or another elderly member of your clan?
08:24 < iDangerMouse> myself 32gb
08:25 < mareklug> iDangerMouse congratualations. Let me welcome you to the Apple family.
08:25 < TOS> Any admins here?
08:25 < IDoH> Hey guys.
08:25 < IDoH> TOS, I'm an experienced editor
08:25 < iDangerMouse> mareklug thank you.
08:25 < mareklug> TOS she is also a girl, albeit not local to Calcutta.
08:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Kerry announces more aid to Syria
08:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/09/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
08:25 < TOS> mareklug: I know already ;)
08:25 < iDangerMouse> TOS ask your question admins will reply
08:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> US aids is plentiful :p
08:26 < iDangerMouse> hello ToAruShiroiNeko
08:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> o hai
08:26 < TOS> Can anyone quickly perform a speedy-deletion and move for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheUnknownNinjaNN2/sandbox
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08:26 < sdamashek> !admin ^
08:26 < TOS> Its per user request at -help, and the user is turning out to be problematic (as in I'm having problems dealing with other helpees because of him)
08:27 < mareklug> TOS are you sure it is the user that should not be moved/renamed
08:27 < TOS> What?
08:28 < mareklug> or speedy deleted
08:28 < TOS> He isnt being disruptive. Just problematic
08:28 < TOS> I'm hoping he'll go when his problem is solved
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08:29 < sdamashek> he wants his article userfy'd
08:29 < sdamashek> <InsertNameHere> Hello, I am in the 'user' group, and am trying to move an article back to my sandbox. It has been determined non-notable, and I wish to practice by finishing it.
08:29 < mareklug> surely it does not take an admin to userify an article.
08:29 < Dragonfly6-7> he wants to save Nintendo Nightmare?
08:29 < Dragonfly6-7> into his sandbox?
08:29 < Dragonfly6-7> sure
08:30 < Dragonfly6-7> done
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08:30 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug - it does if the original URL is being used by a redirect
08:30 < sdamashek> mareklug: his sandbox already existed
08:30 < Dragonfly6-7> although you could have just moved it to "sandbox-2"
08:30 < Dragonfly6-7> but it's done
08:31 < mareklug> Dragonfly6-7 so you mark it for speeedy and eventually it goes away.
08:31 < Dragonfly6-7> mareklug - in cases like this, it's easier to just do it.
08:31 < sdamashek> mareklug: we did mark it for speedy, but the article had serious problems with notability
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08:32 < mareklug> sdamashek i mean, after the move to user space, mark the resulting redirect as speedy
08:33 < TOS> Can anyone please see the situation at -help
08:34 < TOS> He's becoming hard to handle
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08:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The foreign minister gave a bleak assessment, saying the 525,000 refugees make up 10% of Jordan's population. He said the number is expected to increase to 20% or 25% by year's end, and then to 40% of the population by the middle of 2014.
08:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
08:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so its no longer going to be called jordan then?
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08:37 < sdamashek> mareklug: of course, but the page he wanted it to be moved to (his sandbox) was already made, so an admin had to do it
08:39 < mareklug> sdamashek the only thing admin "had to do" is delete the resulting redirect. anyone with user privs could have moved it. and leaving the redirect with a CSD notice is fine, except not immediate gratification of it being gone. :)
08:40 < TOS> mareklug: Also, the admin HAD TO find me a female wikipedian from kolkata ;)
08:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kolkata?
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08:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you mean a female admin from there right?
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08:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> female admins can properly protect
08:41 < TOS> Are there female admins?
08:41 < mareklug> TOS an admin of WHAT? CalcuttaGIrls.in.com?
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08:41 * TOS gasps
08:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> WikipedianGirlsGoneWild.gov
08:41 < TOS> mareklug: Wikipedia admins could be better you know. I can get her to block any irritating users
08:42 < TOS> mareklug: Starting with some guy name Jimmo or something.
08:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jimbo is not a guy I think
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08:43 < TOS> mareklug: Then someone called The Worm who did not turn
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08:43 * TOS gasps again
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08:44 < mareklug> TOS you have me thoroughly confused. What admin? Did what for you?
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08:44 < TOS> mareklug: Yeah. My middle name is chaos.
08:45 < TOS> I just was finding some female admin wikipedian who would block a couple users for me :P
08:46 < TOS> First some Welsh guy called Jimmo, and then a Worm who does not turn.
08:46 < TOS> And then you
08:47 * Fluffernutter stares
08:47 * TOS stares back
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08:48 < TOS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)
08:48 < TOS> How many of you have the link here excluding the final ")" ?
08:49 < closedmouth> depends on your client
08:49 < Shirik> any decent client will include the )
08:49 < TOS> Webchat doesnt include it. Its very irritating. What about others
08:49 < Dragonfly6-7> not mIRC either
08:50 < TOS> mirc is not decent - Point noted
08:50 < Shirik> mIRC does
08:50 < closedmouth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29 should work for everyone
08:50 < Shirik> I seriously doubt my script modifies its link handling
08:50 < TOS> Yes. But thats not cool when you're quickly copying links from URL
08:50 < nonsenseferret> hexchat includes
08:51 < TOS> Dragonfly6-7 Shirik : Decide. Does the VP link work for you or not?
08:51 < closedmouth> i just did that
08:51 < Shirik> it does
08:51 < TOS> Dragonfly6-7: Does it?
08:51 < Shirik> Dragonfly6-7 is on an ungodly old version of mIRC
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08:52 < Shirik> not that URIs have changed but it probably got fixed
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08:54 < Dragonfly6-7> TOS - the %29 version works fine
08:54 < TOS> But the ) version?
08:54 < mareklug> TOS sorry, I was away. Did I understand that you made a joking reference to you having me blocked on wikipedia?
08:54 < TOS> mareklug: By a female kolkatan admin
08:55 < mareklug> TOS that is probably against this channel's policy. :/
08:55 < TOS> mareklug: What is against this channel's policy??
08:56 < mareklug> it constitutes a legal threat
08:56 < mareklug> or paralegal
08:56 < mareklug> or wholly illegitimate.
08:56 < mareklug> whatever
08:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> illegal threats
08:56 < mareklug> at any rate, I will consult with Fluffernutter as she can kick you for it.
08:57 < Fluffernutter> what?
08:57 < mareklug> how do you like them apples, TOS ?
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08:57 < mareklug> Fluffernutter TOS is threatening to have a countrywoman wiki admin of his ban me on Wikipedia, as in English Wikipedia.
08:58 * Fluffernutter thinks y'all should tuck your guns away, stop waving them at each other, and go back to being normal human beings
08:58 * ToAruShiroiNeko resents the claim
08:58 < mareklug> Fluffernutter that is not possible for TOS. He is a shopper of girls on this channle.
08:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> humans? here? no way :p
08:58 < mareklug> channel. That is not being normal human being.
08:58 * TOS shoorts at mareklug
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08:58 < mareklug> look, ma. he even shoorts. whatever that is.
08:58 < mareklug> in Calcutta.
08:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug he is probably just another horny 13 year old only using that part for peeing
09:00 < TOS> ToAruShiroiNeko: Not true!
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09:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> okay 12 year old
09:00 < mareklug> TOS at least you thought long and hard about it not being true. so which part is NOT true?
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09:00 < TOS> I was busy!
09:00 < TOS> Anyone follows xkcd here?
09:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> busy peeing probably :p
09:00 < Callanecc> Any admins (I don't want to use !)
09:00 < mareklug> sure, examining your part that you use for peeing
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09:01 < mareklug> Callanecc the place is infested with admins
09:01 < NotASpy> Callanecc: depends.
09:01 < TOS> You guys sound like Did you know!
09:01 < Callanecc> AIV needs some attention
09:01 < Callanecc> Particularly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.180.241.220
09:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> AIV always needs attention :p
09:02 < Callanecc> This one's been sitting there for about 10 mins
09:02 < Callanecc> As has this one
09:02 < Callanecc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/166.109.0.219
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09:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> one looks blocked
09:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the first one
09:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.199.199.199 <- no edits :(
09:04 < Callanecc> Both have been now
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09:05 < NotASpy> stick block notices on the user talk pages.
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09:06 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I just discovered that we have a Brazilian restaurant. Do you guys have Brazilian restaurants in Belgium?
09:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
09:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> lots of thai chinese
09:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> argentinian
09:07 < TOS> If the restaurant is Brazilian, shouldnt it be in Brazil?
09:07 < mareklug> we welcome imigrants to Chicago.
09:07 < mareklug> immigrants, as well.
09:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think there are any
09:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> doing a google search
09:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> blenty of belgian (morrocan) ons though
09:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moules with fries, salmon with fries, fries with fries
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09:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> even mcdonalds offers salad with their burgers now!
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09:10 < mareklug> that's interesting. Chicago is more cosmopolitan than Brussels
09:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Brussels is a government-only city more or less
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09:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nearly every building is an embasy, a federal building, or eu building
09:11 < mareklug> it's teh best you got, don't knock it. I doubt Antwerp has a Brazillian restaurant, either.
09:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> brussels has the ability to be close to places of interst
09:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> london, paris, amsterdam etc are a train hop away
09:12 < russavia> yuvipanda wake up
09:12 < mareklug> you probably have to take the Eurotrain to London to eat Brazilian.
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09:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug or paris but yes
09:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I avoid the UK
09:14 < russavia> mareklug you want a bulkimage job
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09:14 < rabiescat99> Is Stanley Kubrick really Jewish as the Wikipedia page states?
09:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia I bulk you
09:14 < mareklug> not really,
09:14 < rabiescat99> (There's this guy named "Norman Jewison"... yet isn't Jewish. Hilarious last name.)
09:14 < mareklug> rabiescat99 MadPig, yes? Anyway, Sir Kubrick is dead.
09:15 < rabiescat99> Are you mentally ill?
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09:15 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I correctly I'd the troll, and he just confirmed it with his standard insult.
09:15 < russavia> mareklug: you aussie hater
09:15 < Qcoder00> Afternoon
09:15 < mareklug> russavia I love Gabriella Cilmi, so can't be accused of hating aussies.
09:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ?
09:16 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_Mark_Winterbourne_Flickr_stream i need to have these bulk edited to remove the frames
09:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I love Veritasium so I cant be an aussie hater either
09:17 < russavia> right toaru,but don't forget, that love isn't necessarily reciprocated;)
09:17 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko this loser who usually calls himself MadPig or cheeseduck or take on other guises, such as rabiescat99, comes here and trolls asking the most stuuuuuupid questions. You know it is him because of the staggering stupidity of the inquiries. If you are in any doubt, you can insult him, or just ask his identity, and he will allege your mental illness.
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09:19 < mareklug> russavia surely that is an automation job?
09:19 < russavia> yeah,i seeit, and i automatically ask you to do it
09:20 < mareklug> I can't. I am prone to repetitive mental injury if I do idiotic same tasks for too long. :)
09:20 < mareklug> legoktm's bot, on the other hand....
09:21 < russavia> well that explains everything mareklug
09:21 < mareklug> yes. I try to vary my tasks carefully. health issues.
09:22 < wctaiwan> surely Photoshop has batch editing features?
09:22 < mareklug> russavia seriously, you should invest into automating this cropping out frames business.
09:22 < mareklug> it can be done by using mask on black
09:23 < mareklug> or by pixel coords
09:23 < wctaiwan> that said, while I know it's perfectly legal, I remain queasy about the removal of watermarks.. and wonder whether people who license their images know that one of the meanings of CC-BY is that people can get a version without the watermark off commons and use it anywhere they please.
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09:24 < russavia> well yeah the files are 1200 x 1066-- they simplyneedtobe cropped to 1200x800
09:24 < russavia> and i need a new spacebar
09:24 < TOS> I need a new iron man suit
09:24 < mareklug> TOS I think you need a ...
09:25 < wctaiwan> new terms of service.
09:25 < wctaiwan> … that's what I see every time I see her name :(
09:25 < wctaiwan> (it's a her right? if not I apologise.)
09:26 < TOS> Apology accepted
09:26 < TOS> Its his, afaik
09:26 < wctaiwan> oh, sorry >.<
09:26 < wctaiwan> well now I know
09:26 < mareklug> wctaiwan what kind of a her do you think TOS is when he shops for ladies on this channel?
09:26 * wctaiwan should stick to singular they
09:27 < wctaiwan> now you mention it I sort of recall it
09:27 < wctaiwan> under a different nick though, no?
09:27 < mareklug> no, usually TOS
09:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> since apology was accpeted does that ame TOS female seeking females?
09:28 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko once again, but with more English feeling.
09:28 * TOS is angry
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09:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *ame - mean
09:28 < mareklug> TOS anger will not beguile a female. wow, that sort of alliterates in a best Anglo-Saxon way.
09:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TOS you smash?
09:29 < mareklug> ame also means "love"
09:29 < TOS> smash what? Phones? remotes? Fridges? TVs? Yeah
09:29 < mareklug> do they even have those things available for smashing in Calcutta? Or is this empty talk?
09:30 < wctaiwan> violent or just clumsy? :p
09:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moe~
09:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> violent and just clumsy
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09:33 < sdamashek> !ops in #wikipedia-en-help please
09:33 < TOS> wctaiwan: If flinging a phone at a high speed is clumsy, then yes
09:33 < sdamashek> nevermind
09:34 < wctaiwan> TOS: depends on why you flung it :p
09:34 < TOS> wctaiwan: How could that be clumsy in any scenario?
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09:35 < wctaiwan> …all sorts of strange things happen to people's smartphones
09:35 < wctaiwan> I don't even know how.
09:35 < wctaiwan> anyway, I'll be quiet now.
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09:36 < TOS> wctaiwan: I agree. My sister recently dropped her
09:36 < legoktm> 16:35, 9 May 2013 Legoktm (talk | contribs | block) deleted page Talk:TUGJEVC (G8: Talk page of a deleted or non-existent page) (view/restore)
09:36 < legoktm> wooooooh
09:36 < TOS> *hers
09:36 < sdamashek> legoktm: congrats btw
09:37 < wctaiwan> legoktm: good job. now go forth and vandalise no more :p
09:37 < TOS> From two stories up
09:37 * sdamashek gets I voted sticker
09:37 < wctaiwan> >.<
09:37 < mareklug> TOS http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/asha-501/4505-6454_7-35757120.html <-- something nice coming up in the throwing against the wall department for you Calcutta-resident throwers.
09:37 < TOS> legoktm: Congratulations!
09:37 < legoktm> :>
09:37 < TOS> mareklug: All nokias are like that
09:37 < mareklug> legoktm yes, congratulations on your new buttons. May you used them well.
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09:38 * TOS gets the I voted sticker too
09:38 < fwilson> legoktm: congratulations :)
09:38 < Dragonfly6-7> petan
09:38 < fwilson> ... that's all I came here to say
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09:38 < legoktm> o.O
09:38 < wctaiwan> lol
09:38 < wctaiwan> you're popular.
09:38 < didigodot> he was reading off my screen
09:38 < mareklug> TOS this nokia was introduced today and is supposed ot save the company's ass having 48 day stanby, so please don't say things.
09:38 < legoktm> now someone needs to let me into the -en-admins cabal....
09:38 < wctaiwan> legoktm: before I forget, no way to add sources to wikidata right now?
09:38 < Dragonfly6-7> legoktm - on it
09:39 < legoktm> Dragonfly6-7: thanks
09:39 < wctaiwan> <templatestyles src="Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css"></templatestyles> kind of sources.
09:39 < legoktm> wctaiwan: you can add sources, but no URLs
09:39 < wctaiwan> … okay, so no.
09:39 < wctaiwan> sigh.
09:39 < legoktm> so if you want Template:Citation/core, that works
09:39 < russavia> legoktm not so fast
09:39 < legoktm> we dont have the IRI datatype yet
09:39 < russavia> you have work to do
09:39 < IDoH> There's an admin-only IRC channel? Cool!
09:39 < wctaiwan> why is it even deployed yet :/
09:39 < wctaiwan> s/yet/then/
09:39 < Dragonfly6-7> #wikipedia-en-admins
09:39 < legoktm> because most things dont need sources?
09:39 < Dragonfly6-7> it's not as intense as it used to be
09:39 < wctaiwan> but people are adding things that need sources
09:40 < legoktm> like what?
09:40 < JohnLewis> IDoH; There is almost one for ever active Wikimedia project.
09:40 < JohnLewis> *every
09:40 < wctaiwan> I'm asking because I saw some page I was changing had someone's place of birth listed as the PRC
09:40 < legoktm> JohnLewis: er, not really
09:40 < legoktm> o.O
09:40 < wctaiwan> when in reality they were born before the PRC was founded...
09:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Asha 501 looks like the N9
09:40 * IDoH didn't know that adminship was a Wikimedia project.
09:40 < wctaiwan> so I corrected it, tried to add a source, and then bam.
09:40 < wctaiwan> no way to add sources :(
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09:40 < wctaiwan> some page I was watching*
09:40 < JohnLewis> IDoH: It is, Have you never heard of it?
09:41 < IDoH> Yes, I've heard of it, JohnLewis. ;-)
09:41 < JohnLewis> :)
09:42 < Dragonfly6-7> legoktm - you just passed your RfA today, yes?
09:42 < legoktm> Dragonfly6-7: yeah
09:42 < mareklug> what's a "T9 phone"? context: "flip phones and T9 phones are out of the question"
09:42 < legoktm> t9 phones were great!
09:42 < mareklug> cool. now tell me what they were.
09:43 < legoktm> oh
09:43 < legoktm> t9 was the typing method
09:43 < Dragonfly6-7> type /chanserv invite #wikipedia-en-aedmins
09:43 < legoktm> where you press the button multiple times to get to the next letter
09:43 < legoktm> Dragonfly6-7: great, im in :)
09:43 < mareklug> and why is this called 79?
09:44 < mareklug> t9?
09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [2013-05-09, 18:42:54] * You were kicked from #wikipedia-en-aedmins by ToAruShiroiNeko (Cast In The Name Of God... Ye Guilty......... (Banned) (#1))
09:44 < Fluffernutter> o_O
09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> O_o
09:44 < legoktm> mareklug: because there were 9 keys
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09:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter ToAruShiroiNeko is abusing the op mop!
09:45 < TOS> O_)
09:45 < mareklug> but what about 0?
09:45 < mareklug> oh you mean the text stuff was on 9 keys, like on a touchtone phone
09:46 < russavia> sven_manguard-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ubumsLK9PE
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09:47 < russavia> or short version -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik6dXm-0l0
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09:48 < JohnLewis> ToAruShiroiNeko: '-en-aedmins'
09:49 < JohnLewis> Since when did Fae name channels like that?
09:52 < JohnLewis> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Translations_noticeboard#A_query
09:52 < JohnLewis> Wrong channel...
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10:19 < iDangerMouse> hm
10:21 < Jetro> hm
10:22 < IDoH> What are we hmming about?
10:22 < Jetro> hmmmmmmmm...
10:22 < iDangerMouse> I sometimes wish your name wasn't Jetro
10:22 < Jetro> it's a hmming harmony
10:22 < Jetro> why
10:23 < iDangerMouse> I don't know. maybe Joan de ark
10:23 < JohnLewis> Jetro: Jetró would be a nice IRC nick :P Accents make things better somehow...
10:24 < iDangerMouse> true.
10:24 < Jetro> cant call myself that apparently
10:24 < TheDruId> Accentdently or on purpose?
10:24 < iDangerMouse> I should have been something else.
10:24 < iDangerMouse> I regret myself.
10:24 < JohnLewis> Jetro: Why D:
10:25 < Jetro> because nick rules or something?
10:25 < Jetro> i dunno
10:26 < JohnLewis> Hm.
10:27 < iDangerMouse> I wish I had a stroke on irc.
10:27 < JohnLewis> Curse you Erroneous Nicknames :(
10:27 < JohnLewis> iDangerMouse: What...?
10:28 < TheDruId> I used to ask at work if it was wrong to pray for an aneurysm.
10:28 < iDangerMouse> stroke or heart attack while irc being opened.
10:28 < JohnLewis> Why iDangerMouse?
10:28 < IDoH> Jetro: Your name reminds me of Gibbs from NCIS
10:28 < Jetro> who is gibbs
10:28 < iDangerMouse> so parents would protect their kids from irc better.
10:28 < Jetro> I hate NCIS
10:29 < TheDruId> Jetro, he's the lead agent.
10:29 < Jetro> but I won't go into that
10:29 < iDangerMouse> national citizenship information system
10:29 < Jetro> oh yeah
10:29 < JohnLewis> iDangerMouse: :P
10:29 < IDoH> The boss of everyone in the TV show
10:30 < TheDruId> National Crop Insurance Services
10:30 < iDangerMouse> well it's different here :p
10:30 < iDangerMouse> doesn't exist.
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10:33 < iDangerMouse> I have to punch my laptop to boot up works for an hour or so dies again..
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10:33 < IDoH> iDangerMouse: You have a bad laptop
10:34 < iDangerMouse> I think the processor is dying
10:34 < IDoH> Get a new laptop
10:34 < iDangerMouse> pay for it. I will.
10:34 < IDoH> Lack of money?
10:34 < iDangerMouse> oh yeah
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10:40 < Jeske_Couriano> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ultra_snozbarg - Possible Echigo mole sock
10:40 < jorm> This is starting in about 20 minutes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#IRC_Office_Hours_Regarding_Flow
10:41 < iDangerMouse> hi Jeske_Couriano
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10:45 < Sven_Manguard> russavia: PM?
10:45 < russavia> sure whats up?
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10:57 < mareklug> legoktm http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2013/computer-science-and-information-systems and in general http://www.topuniversities.com/subject-rankings I found it through BBC mainpage story today
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10:59 < TheDruId> legoktm, Congratulations.
10:59 < TheDruId> Bradford, o///
10:59 < Bradford> :D
10:59 < Bradford> ajuaaa
10:59 < Bradford> TheDruId: hola
10:59 < TheDruId> Bradford, Que tal?
10:59 < Bradford> Bien
11:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId why?
11:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he just got a shittier life now
11:01 < fwilson> legoktm: congratulations again :)
11:01 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, but that was what xe sought, and fertiliser is necessary for great growth.
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11:16 < mareklug> TheDruId he he he he. no xe. he is not a co(s)mic alien.
11:17 < TheDruId> mareklug, roger, but I hate making assumptions, wanted to respond without looking, and didn't remember off the top of my head, so...
11:19 < mareklug> TheDruId he's He's just a poor boy from a poor family. Spare him his life from this monstrosity.
11:19 < mareklug> you should have typed
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11:19 < mareklug> it would have been a proper music allusion.
11:20 < Qcoder00> " .. Let him go... No No No... Let him Go!! No! No ! Jimbo Wales has an Abcorm member set aside for me me.... for me ----ee ! <rock chords..."
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11:20 < mareklug> Qcoder00 just remember, no synths.
11:20 < Qcoder00> ?
11:20 < mareklug> that's on all (early) Queen albums.
11:20 < mareklug> no synthesizers.
11:21 < mareklug> They were very proud of Brian May's guitarwork and pedals, I guess.
11:21 < Qcoder00> True
11:21 * Qcoder00 suddnely has visions of Brian May playing guitar on the moon
11:22 < mareklug> on hte Keith Moon.
11:22 < mareklug> RIP
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11:25 < mareklug> TheDruId http://www.queenwords.com/lyrics/songs/sng11_01.shtml so it is not bewildering, in case you weren't around a radio in them days.
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11:31 < TheDruId> mareklug, I spent more than a decade in South Korea, but was still aware of most of the music in the US; Milli Vanilli, however, was on their way out before I knew who they were...
11:32 < mareklug> Queen were worldwide famous and the Bohemian Rhapsody was a housewife favorite the world over. Of course, that was many months after I breathlessly heard in on my vinyl copy on the release day in the US.
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11:34 < ChrisGualtieri> I got a question, because the matter of an RFC was opened on abusive grounds to force something that cannot be done by policy, can I close it? It concerns me.
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11:35 < mareklug> if an RFC was opened, on whatever merit, and it concerns you, it would be highly unwise for you to close it. Let a neutral admin do it.
11:36 < GabrielF> can someone do a quick OTRS check for me?
11:36 < ChrisGualtieri> Well can an admin do this; because this has turned into nothing but abusive personal attacks and bad faith on part of opposition
11:36 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga#RFC
11:36 < mareklug> just chill. it will get handled in time.
11:37 < mareklug> the responsible parties shall be converted into kebabs fortwith.
11:37 < mareklug> forthwith, even.
11:37 < ChrisGualtieri> Lucia has leveed not stop personal attacks against me for months, and was even warned at ANI about it
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11:43 < legoktm> GabrielF: #wikimedia-otrs
11:43 < GabrielF> thanks
11:45 < NotASpy> ChrisGualtieri: I'm going to regret this, but starting at the beginning, what's the issue with the whole thing, as you see it ?
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11:47 < ChrisGualtieri> Made a Wikiproject to cover the thousands of explicit works known as "hentai and ecchi' broadly with some interest from other editors, made it as a distinct separate Wikiproject for many technical and content reasons
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11:48 < ChrisGualtieri> Immediately, Juhachi tried to force it to be under the control of ANIME because scope overlaps. Lucia Black and another editor started making big attacks against me and reverting my tags and disrupting and attacking said project
11:49 < NotASpy> did you ask or canvas for support before setting up your new Wikiproject ?
11:49 < ChrisGualtieri> Point from council/g is that a WPP is separate and is not forced to be a taskforce or under the control of another group. They continue to remove tags and try even after numerous points on policy to beat up editors
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11:50 < ChrisGualtieri> I had support from users like Bumbellio and a few other people, but even Bumb who gave the idea doesn't want to deal with the drama
11:50 < ChrisGualtieri> 5-6 people is typically fine, so I expected it to be alright
11:51 < ChrisGualtieri> Also posting graphic sexual content on a board frequented by minors doesn't sit well with me, even more so those minors cannot even view said material
11:51 < Fluff|away> that's a remarkably non-neutral RfC summary, that is
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11:52 < ChrisGualtieri> Its the other comments that are worse
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11:52 < iDangerMouse> Stupid laptop, punched it 5 times and its on now.
11:52 < ChrisGualtieri> "It is usually not a good idea to have two separate groups working on the same subject (because there are usually too few editors anyway), but it is not prohibited and you cannot force a merger. Ever." Is a good summary to Lucia
11:53 < ChrisGualtieri> But even then comments like 'merge' and 'prove it' about not being able to force me to do anything is well.. really how bad the dispute is
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11:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Lucia has this grudge from GITS an ongoing dispute which she forces herself into every other mater as a result.
11:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Despite 50+ pages of discussion, Lucia will not allow a topic-level article (i.e. whole franchise) page to exist.
11:54 < ChrisGualtieri> I point out policy, but they revert me, Lucia even deliberately inserts false material INTO the articles in that topic section
11:55 < ChrisGualtieri> She's gone so far as to write an essay as a giant personal attack on me
11:55 < NotASpy> linky
11:55 < iDangerMouse> NotASpy: long time..
11:56 < NotASpy> iDangerMouse: been back a little while - I've written three new articles.
11:56 < ChrisGualtieri> Oh and that other editor just dragged me to ANI
11:56 < iDangerMouse> Wouldn't know pal, I was away from the internet for few months.
11:56 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#New_Key_essay_could_change_wikipedia_significantly
11:57 < ChrisGualtieri> Link is to her essay and I discuss all the points raised. in it.
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12:00 < Dcoetzee> ChrisGualtieri: That may be the most ridiculous proposal I've seen recently.
12:00 < ChrisGualtieri> its a giant personal attack on me.
12:01 < Dcoetzee> Well it doesn't explicitly say that. But it basically is her indirect way of accusing you of all sorts of things.
12:01 < Dcoetzee> But it won't de-escalate the situation to argue about that.
12:02 < Dcoetzee> If she's focused on attacking her opponents, the best thing to do is remain calm and focus on the editorial issues at hand.
12:02 < Dcoetzee> That'll make you look like the better person when you enter into dispute resolution.
12:02 < ChrisGualtieri> I did, but no Knowledge dragged me to ANI for a false reason as well
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12:03 < Dcoetzee> ChrisGualtieri: Then simply explain why you disagree with the claim and leave it at that.
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12:03 < Dcoetzee> Stick to the facts.
12:03 < Dcoetzee> Don't retaliate.
12:04 < Dcoetzee> If possible provide evidence in the form of diffs
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12:21 < edsu> anyone happen to know if it's possible to create a commons url for a thumbnail if you know just the name from api, for example Denver_union_station.jpg
12:21 < edsu> ?
12:22 < TheDruId> edsu, sorry, outside my knowledge base.
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12:22 < edsu> no worries, i figured it couldn't hurt to ask
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12:25 < mareklug> edsu I don't know how you are going to do it, but the name wil necessarily be of the form: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Denver_union_station.jpg give or take http:// but where it is in the upload tree will depend on its date of initial upload
12:25 < Dcoetzee> edsu: I know how to do that
12:25 < edsu> Dcoetzee: oh?!
12:26 < Dcoetzee> edsu: I assume you mean the direct URL for the thumbnail. The URL is based on the MD5 hash of the filename.
12:26 < edsu> yes, exactly
12:26 < Dcoetzee> edsu: Are you on UNIX or Windows? I can explain how to do it.
12:26 < shimgray> edsu, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query_-_Properties#imageinfo_.2F_ii can apparently generate a scaled image from a filename
12:26 < Dcoetzee> You don't need to do any query to get it.
12:27 < edsu> Dcoetzee: well actually this is in javascript
12:27 < Dcoetzee> edsu: Ah okay
12:27 < Dcoetzee> edsu: You will need a JavaScript implementation of the MD5 hash. There are several of those floating around.
12:27 < Dcoetzee> edsu: Then the URL is just this:
12:28 < Dcoetzee> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/{0}/{1}/{3}/{4}px-{3}
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12:28 < Dcoetzee> Where {0} is the first character of the hexadecimal of the MD5 hash
12:28 < Dcoetzee> {1} is the first two characters
12:29 < Dcoetzee> {3} is the URL encoded filename (excluding the File:)
12:29 < Dcoetzee> And {4} is the width in pixels
12:29 < Dcoetzee> The MD5 hash is of the UTF8-encoded filename, without the File: or any trailing newline or anything
12:30 < edsu> Dcoetzee: you rock, thanks!
12:30 < Dcoetzee> :-)
12:31 < Dcoetzee> edsu: Let me double check this just to be sure...
12:31 < mareklug> Dcoetzee huh. so all those funny digits are hash values not dates :)
12:31 < edsu> Dcoetzee: ok, i will try too
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12:34 < edsu> odd in wikimedia-commons just pointed me at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHashedUploadDirectory
12:34 < Dcoetzee> Ah nice
12:34 < Dcoetzee> edsu: One more small point... the title you hash must use underscores, not spaces
12:35 < Dcoetzee> e.g. En_vivo_desde_Acatraz.jpg
12:35 < edsu> nice, thanks!
12:35 < Dcoetzee> MD5 of that is 69982652dfde201315d4e185522378fd and its URL is 
12:35 < Dcoetzee> Just to give an example :-)
12:36 < edsu> beauty
12:36 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Yep. They use it to keep directory sizes in the image store managable.
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12:39 < merlincorey> hello there
12:40 < TheDruId> Hello.
12:40 < merlincorey> is this a good place to leave a note like, "ZOMG someone fix this section" but I don't have the knowledge or time to do it?
12:40 < merlincorey> if not, what's a better way to go about that?
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12:40 < eptalon> heas
12:40 < TheDruId> The article's talk page, usually; which article?
12:41 < merlincorey> TheDruId: well last I checked I can't do it anonymously anymore so I was hoping someone who was already established might make the note for me and I can just move on knowing someone somewhere will get to it :P
12:41 < merlincorey> anyway
12:41 < eptalon> merlincorey: what note, on what page?
12:42 < merlincorey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long-living_organisms#Clonal_plant_colonies this links to [Largest organism] talking about some fungus and if you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_organism#Fungi it doesn't mention that one but another one completely
12:42 < merlincorey> so it's like
12:42 < merlincorey> one of these two articles is wrong :P
12:42 < merlincorey> either way they don't agree with each other
12:42 < merlincorey> and I was left confused
12:42 < merlincorey> hopefully someone can fix that someday
12:42 < merlincorey> and save some poor kid in africa
12:42 < mareklug> from eating the wrong fungus
12:45 < mareklug> merlincorey no, the target article correctly identifies the fungus in question, except that it does it a tad upstairs. the link should be adjusted to point at #Fungi subheading
12:46 < mareklug> "The largest living fungus may be a honey fungus[575] of the species Armillaria ostoyae.[576]"
12:47 < mareklug> "Armillaria solidipes (formerly Armillaria ostoyae) is a species of fungus in the Physalacriaceae family.:
12:47 < mareklug> see? same thingee
12:47 < merlincorey> solidipes != ostoyae
12:47 < merlincorey> ah I see
12:47 < merlincorey> out of date on the first article then :)
12:47 < merlincorey> anyway
12:47 < merlincorey> someone should fix that but not me xD
12:47 < merlincorey> thanks for figuring it out mareklug
12:48 < mareklug> no, indeedy. the solidipes will be the fresher on the market, what with the new name.
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12:48 < mareklug> :) no worries.
12:48 < Bradford> _O
12:49 < wat> Breaking news, a third arrest has been made in connection of the projected toronto-new-york bombing
12:50 < mareklug> wat erm derp. thank you for keeping us fresh on Canadian grapevine
12:50 < wat> wat
12:50 < Bsadowski1> wat
12:50 < Bsadowski1> \o/
12:50 < Bsadowski1> who are you
12:50 < mareklug> You realize that out of 40 million Canadians, you are the only one who give's enough of a rat's ass to update this channel. regardless of your bans.
12:51 < wat> who gives a rat's ass about you, mareklug?
12:51 < Bsadowski1> Canadians are awesome.
12:51 < Bsadowski1> :D\
12:51 < Bsadowski1> I went to Canada once.
12:51 < Bsadowski1> in 2004 :3
12:51 < mareklug> Bsadowski1 I think so too. derp is just having his feelings huuuuuurt that he is so transparent. like the best Toronto skysraper glass.
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12:54 < eptalon> I do have a question: For a work with unknown authorship, possibly published around 1880, what would be the expiry of claims be (using Common Law, as likely it was published in South Africa)?
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12:55 < ChrisGualtieri> bah.. back x-x not sure what killed it
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12:58 < mareklug> eptalon presumably the author died more than 70 years ago, and the copyright has not been renewed in the interim time and time again. :) But maybe people on #wikimedia-commons will give a better accounting
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12:59 < shimgray> eptalon, if it was published in SA, it'd be presumably covered by colonial copyright. let me check
13:00 < eptalon> shimgray: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Zulus_Isandlwana.jpg
13:00 < TheDruId> eptalon, international law would firmly put the original work in the public domain, but check to see if it was re-released later than 1937.
13:00 < eptalon> shimgray: Shows a battle of the Anglo-Zulu War (1873-79)
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13:01 < shimgray> that's an illustration. there's no reason to assume any legal connection with SA
13:01 < shimgray> (it's sure as anything not taken from a photograph)
13:02 < eptalon> shimgray: likely an illustration of a newspaper of the time.
13:02 < shimgray> eptalon, I strongly doubt it.
13:02 < shimgray> it looks more like a book illustration, and could have been any time up to the mid-twentieth century
13:02 < a930913> "Cliff12345 and 19 others posted on your talk page." = 1 notification? :(
13:03 < eptalon> shimgray: who had interest in reporting on that war?
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13:04 < eptalon> Esp. about 20 years after the war was over?
13:05 < shimgray> I think you're asking the wrong questions here. look at the filename.
13:06 < eptalon> then enslaved zulus to show their kids how great they once were?
13:06 < shimgray> Isandlwana\Isandhlwana was fairly continually written about; it was a well-trodden part of the Imperial story. lots of history books, esp. for a British audience, would feature it
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13:07 < shimgray> if it *is* from a newspaper, it'd be something like the Illustrated London News
13:08 < shimgray> but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Isandlwana.jpg suggests their style was less sophisticated
13:09 < shimgray> basically a) we have no idea of where this was published; b) we have no idea of when it was published
13:09 < eptalon> All I say is: author unknown, published around the turn of the century, if I take 50 years (which is probably too much), I end up at 1950.
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13:09 < shimgray> we simply can't make any meaningful guess as to copyright
13:10 < eptalon> As long as no one complains, there is no reason to delete.
13:10 < TheDruId> Some illustrators had works which were never published in their lifetime, and copyright is very recent.
13:10 < shimgray> that;s not the way we have traditionally worked.
13:11 < TheDruId> Because it's based on first printing.
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13:12 < eptalon> shimgray: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edwin_Fripp
13:13 < eptalon> (1854-1906)
13:13 < shimgray> oho!
13:13 < shimgray> look closely at the image
13:13 < shimgray> we have initials
13:13 < shimgray> RCW
13:13 < shimgray> which is Woodville, d. 1927. We're safe.
13:13 < shimgray> at least, safe in Europe, but good enough for me
13:14 < Dcoetzee> shimgray: Not necessary... URAA
13:14 < Dcoetzee> If that's from the UK, it's not free in the US
13:14 < Dcoetzee> As well as many other European jurisdictions
13:14 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Caton_Woodville,_Jr.
13:14 < Dcoetzee> *necessarily
13:14 < Dcoetzee> Basically if it was in copyright in its home country in 1996
13:14 < shimgray> yeah, we're faced with a possible post-23 publication
13:14 < Dcoetzee> We can't use it
13:15 < shimgray> oh, blast. PD on 1/1/1998
13:15 < Dcoetzee> See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:International_copyright_quick_reference_guide
13:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee what good did Uruguay do to the world anyways
13:16 < Dcoetzee> Uruguay is fairly awesome all around
13:17 < eptalon> it exists.
13:17 * ToAruShiroiNeko nominates Uruguay for deletion, copyright nazi :p
13:17 < Dcoetzee> Very socially progressive, has a 50 pma copyright term
13:17 < Dcoetzee> Recently legalised gay marriage
13:17 < Dcoetzee> What's not to like?
13:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have the sun in their flag
13:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it looks like greece but with more sun
13:18 < shimgray> I have never known anyone come back from Uruguay and say bad things about it
13:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I prefer Brazil
13:18 < shimgray> admittedly, I think I've only known one person visit
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13:18 < Dcoetzee> Downside is, all of South America is super poor
13:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a proper nation with properly accurate depiction of the sky
13:18 < eptalon> Dcoetzee: which means you'll live well, even if only decently rich?
13:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a proper constelation!
13:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> eptalon a computer costs the same money
13:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> best place to live is china in that sense
13:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cheap hardware
13:19 < Dcoetzee> The upside of it being super poor is you can hire like servants if you want :-P
13:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but your beef maybe rat meat
13:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a bit like Fallout 3 in the real world
13:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee will you be my servant?
13:19 < eptalon> ToAruShiroiNeko: in europe your beef may be (or rather: probably is) horse meat.
13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> eptalon sure
13:20 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Don't people already serve cats?
13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats the other red meat in europe
13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee well... so best thing is to be a cat then
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13:20 < Dcoetzee> Indeed
13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> less visa issues
13:20 < Dcoetzee> Cats already rule the Internet
13:21 < Dcoetzee> And they get their humans to do anything they want
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13:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ie a parasite
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13:25 < eptalon> shimgray: thanks for helping
13:26 < TheDruId> My cats get turkey lunch meat, clam chowder, and American cheese in addition to their own food. Their biggest complaint is that they eat it all too fast.
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13:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId do they also get fine wine?
13:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cats love wine
13:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> (the hate alcohol)
13:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *they
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13:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I would ask you stuff but you arent an en.wiki person
13:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p
13:31 < eptalon> where would I find recipes for preparing cats or dogs?
13:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> chinese wikibooks cook book?
13:32 < eptalon> in english?
13:32 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Dude I'm an enwiki admin :-P
13:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure but you dont touch discussions, no?
13:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont remember discussing en.wikipedia stuff with you before :/
13:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can pm if you like
13:34 < Dcoetzee> Not right now :-)
13:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ya
13:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats what I remember :p
13:34 < Dcoetzee> I'm eating, don't be like that
13:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am joking :p
13:35 < russavia> 
13:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I thought sysops on en.wikipedia got someone to eat on behalf of them
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13:39 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: After I get my brain uploaded to the WMF servers
13:39 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: It won't be a problem anymore
13:39 < Dcoetzee> Then I can just process backlogs all day
13:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wouldnt that fail
13:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> because of a WMF outage at the wrong moment
13:40 < Dcoetzee> Well if the WMF servers are down, I have no purpose anyway
13:40 < Dcoetzee> :-P
13:41 < Dcoetzee> Anyway what's up?
13:41 < Dcoetzee> Food is done
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13:45 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, I don't buy alcohol and don't have it at home, so, no.
13:46 < NotASpy> anybody know any more about " Experiment: There may be confidential content in your search results. Please do not share outside Google. " coming up on YouTube ?
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13:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId you dont have to buy it
13:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> >:D
13:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://world.time.com/timelapse/?hpt=hp_c4
13:48 < mareklug> Dcoetzee I could link you some bewitching Bulgarian music
13:49 < Dragonfly6-7> Hello
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13:52 < Bazinga> mareklug: you pinged?
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13:52 < mareklug> Bazinga i left you a link and a taunt to go with it. did not get it?
13:52 < Bazinga> let me check scrollback
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13:55 < Bradford> :D
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13:57 < Bazinga> mareklug: I really don't care for having my house opened by my phone...
13:58 < mareklug> you are a remarkable conservative in technology when the trick can be done by AAPL but not Android.
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13:58 < Bazinga> what if an acquaintance steals my oh-so "valuable" iPhone and then robs my house
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