User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-12-31

Session Start: Sat Dec 31 00:00:00 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[00:00] <tashir> http://eng.mil.ru/en/structure/forces/navy.htm
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[00:00] <Sp33dyphil> yep, on that ATM
[00:00] <Sp33dyphil> :D
[00:01] <Peter-C> Guess what police organization this is for - After undergoing eight weeks of intense specialized training, officers become New York State peace officers, which allows them to carry and use firearms, handcuffs, pepper spray, and batons, make arrests, issue summonses, use physical and deadly force, and undertake investigative responsibilities.
[00:01] <tashir> Wal-Mart security
[00:01] <Peter-C> New York City Department of Sanitation Police
[00:01] <Sp33dyphil> tashir: sad, everything is © :(
�06[00:01] * barts1a is currently eating a chupa chup which is marked "FOR VIETNAM ONLY" which he got in Australia
[00:01] <LauraHale> :)
[00:02] <tashir> call Lt. Col. Kovalchuk for permission http://eng.mil.ru/en/for_media/ministers_press_secretary.htm
[00:02] <tashir> she can send an OTRS email
[00:03] <Sp33dyphil> anybody going to the city for the fireworks?
[00:03] <Sp33dyphil> ok, prob not
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[00:04] <Thorncrag> Peter-C: what do they patrol the sewers or something? (trying not to sound facetious...)
[00:04] <Peter-C> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Department_of_Sanitation_Police
�08[00:05] * derp pokes Peter-C with a pointy stick.
[00:05] <Thorncrag> {{lead too long}}
�08[00:06] <derp> Peter-C, you have a xbox 360?
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[00:06] <Peter-C> no xbox
[00:06] <ToiletBomber> I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO!
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[00:06] <Sp33dyphil> derp: you have a PS3?
�08[00:06] <derp> Who here has a xbox 360?
�08[00:06] <derp> Sp33dyphil, hacked wii.
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[00:06] <Sp33dyphil> yeah?
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[00:06] <ToiletBomber> You  hacked off your wii?
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[00:07] <ToiletBomber> That must hurt.
[00:07] <Thorncrag> ToiletBomber: Upper-decker?
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[00:07] <harej> Peter-C, you ain't seen nothin' until you've seen the U.S. Mint Police.
[00:07] <Peter-C> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Mint_Police
�08[00:07] -> -ToiletBomber- shut up Kendall :P
[00:07] <Dcoetzee> Yes. They really need police for every type of dental floss.
�06[00:08] * Sp33dyphil predicts North Korea will collapse tomorrow
[00:08] <sonia> o_O
[00:08] <ToiletBomber> Good.
[00:08] <harej> There's also FBI Police and Pentagon Police.
[00:08] <ToiletBomber> They need a good collapsing.
[00:08] <Thorncrag> Dcoetzee: Nonono, they are the ones that put mints on pillows at hotels
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[00:08] <harej> and DC Public Library Police. I'm not kidding.
[00:08] <harej> I saw one of their squad cars.
[00:08] <barts1a> ROFL http://www.qdb.us/96097
[00:08] <sonia> Thorncrag: I KNEW the governmetn was behind that!
[00:09] <ToiletBomber> Also, cocks.
[00:09] <Sp33dyphil> only if Obama is too drunk celebrating the New Year
[00:09] <Dcoetzee> Thorncrag: And all this time I thought it was the Russians!
[00:09] <Dcoetzee> Mints are an inside job!
[00:09] <ToiletBomber> lol
[00:09] <Thorncrag> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Upper+Decker
[00:10] <ToiletBomber> Obama drunk
[00:10] <ToiletBomber> Now there's something I'd like to see.
�08[00:11] <derp> ToiletBomber, so you're enjoying the cock now?
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[00:13] <Thorncrag> Someone really should review: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Viliana_Georgieva who can verify the bulgarian-language sources
[00:15] <Thorncrag> Actually screw it, those don't look like RS's
[00:16] <ToiletBomber> Cocks
[00:16] <ToiletBomber> Balls
[00:16] <ToiletBomber> I want to kick someone in the balls.
[00:16] <ToiletBomber> I choose derp.
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�06[00:16] * ToiletBomber kicks derp in his peanuts.
�08[00:16] * derp kicks ToiletBomber in his peanuts.
�08[00:17] <derp> Just in time!
�08[00:17] <derp> :D
�06[00:17] * ToiletBomber falls over in pain.
[00:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I heard obama declared Texas the new lone state
[00:18] <Thorncrag> Shit.
[00:18] <Thorncrag> Any admin available? (lolz)
[00:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> seriously though
[00:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> obama should shave
[00:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no bearded obamas
[00:18] <Thorncrag> ToiletBomber: noooooo what he should do you see, is let his hair grow and bust out a fro
[00:18] <Thorncrag> can you imagine? LOL
�08[00:19] <derp> hmm..
[00:19] <ToiletBomber> aw hell no
�08[00:19] <derp> a censored area near me!
[00:19] <Thorncrag> Can you imagine having a president with a fro?
�06[00:19] * barts1a brings up the submit page on http://www.qdb.us
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�08[00:22] <derp> http://g.co/maps/g6q63
�08[00:22] <derp> Are those building shopped?
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[00:25] <barts1a> why would google shop their own maps?
[00:25] <Peter-C> ^
[00:26] <Pilif12p> Why would men shop their own dicks?
[00:26] <Thorncrag> maybe obfuscated because it's a sensitive target?
[00:26] <Thorncrag> erm....
[00:27] <Gfoley4> Peter-C: bedtime
[00:27] <Pilif12p> Thorncrag, bad timing much?
[00:27] <Peter-C> ?
[00:27] <Peter-C> nou
�08[00:27] <derp> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=44.143333,4.709444&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=0
�08[00:27] <derp> in france
�08[00:27] <derp> pixelated
[00:27] <Gfoley4> derp: no, that's what they do to filter out stuff
�08[00:27] <derp> yeah
�08[00:28] <derp> i see now
[00:28] <barts1a> That's just where minecraft was invented
[00:28] <Gfoley4> I remember seeing a list of places google does that on wikipedia
[00:29] <Thorncrag> Gfoley4: Help me!
[00:29] <Gfoley4> no?
[00:29] <Thorncrag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thorncrag
[00:29] <Thorncrag> Please :)
[00:29] <Thorncrag> Ironic isn't it, that an rfc about censorship would be on the page I'm requesting be deleted
[00:29] <Gfoley4> not supposed to delete user talk pages
[00:30] <Gfoley4> why do you want it deleted?
�08[00:30] <derp> Thorncrag, done.
[00:30] <Thorncrag> derp: LOL
[00:30] <Gfoley4> bad boy.
�08[00:31] <derp> check now
[00:31] <Thorncrag> bleh ok then histmerge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thorncrag/old if you insist :x
�06[00:31] * Thorncrag hugs derp
�08[00:31] * derp hugs Thorncrag
[00:32] <barts1a> ROFL! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thorncrag&curid=34233809&diff=468721976&oldid=468721914
[00:32] <Thorncrag> Creepy McCreeperton
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[00:32] <Gfoley4> wait, you want the old one back, Thorncrag?
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[00:32] <Thorncrag> Gfoley4: yes, I stupidly forgot about the talk page
[00:32] <Gfoley4> barts1a: …it was a joke
[00:32] <Gfoley4> oh haha fail
�08[00:33] <derp> ... Pilif12p, meaniw :P
[00:33] <barts1a> !fail ++
[00:33] <Gfoley4> er, Pilif12p.
[00:33] <Thorncrag> lmap
[00:33] <Pilif12p> Gfoley4, what
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[00:33] <Gfoley4> no need to give derp a "warning"
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[00:33] <Thorncrag> of course on the "need" part lolol
[00:33] <Pilif12p> internet iz srs bizns
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[00:34] <Gfoley4> unless you weren't serious!
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[00:34] <Pilif12p> i wuz ttly srs
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[00:35] <Thorncrag> Gfoley4: Thanks I will remember this always! until tomorrow
�08[00:36] <derp> Pilif12p, check my reply :)
[00:36] <Gfoley4> I restored the RFC edit and deleted derp's edits
[00:36] <Gfoley4> >:)
�08[00:36] * derp slaps Gfoley4 silly.
[00:37] <Gfoley4> ;0
[00:37] <ToiletBomber> gdsjkhfhfjjkdfhurhyogjhiorehuioeruhnoujot5rioe;ktnmpirjnoirpjior=e0niptrum]prik9rp8ukpt5rpotriouhrjukl;gonbhjer'yhef
[00:37] <ToiletBomber> I'M OVERDOSING ON MOUNTAIN DEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:37] <Eagles247> TTTSNB?
[00:37] <Pilif12p> Eagles247, indeed
[00:37] <ToiletBomber> Yes?
[00:37] <Gfoley4> ToiletBomber: behave
[00:38] <ToiletBomber>  Would you like some mountain dew?
[00:38] <Eagles247> aren't you supposed to be on indefinite wikibreak 4eva
[00:38] <Pilif12p> ToiletBomber, be a good mormon and don't drink caffeine
[00:38] <ToiletBomber> Who said I couldn't come on IRC>
�08[00:38] <derp> ToiletBomber, mountain dew contains piss.
[00:38] <ToiletBomber> Your mom's mouth contains piss.
[00:38] <Gfoley4> now, now.
[00:39] <ToiletBomber> I'm only stating a fact, bro.
[00:40] <Thorncrag> {{cn}}
�08[00:40] * derp tases ToiletBomber.
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�08[00:40] * derp tases ToiletBomber in a recusion loop taser.
�06[00:40] * ToiletBomber tases derp in a recusion loop taser.
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[00:41] <Thorncrag> lmao @ Description - English: Self-explanatory.�
�06[00:41] * ToiletBomber licks Eagles247.
�08[00:42] * derp gives ToiletBomber a prositute to play with.
�06[00:42] * ToiletBomber gives the prostitute to Pilif12p 
[00:42] <Pilif12p> yay
[00:42] <Pilif12p> wait
[00:42] <wctaiwan> derp: you're for hire?
[00:42] <Pilif12p> new or used?
[00:43] <Gfoley4> o_o
�08[00:43] <derp> new.
�08[00:43] <derp> wctaiwan :P
[00:46] <Peter-C> Gfoley4 - bed, now
�06[00:46] * Peter-C tucks Gfoley4 in with derp
�08[00:46] * derp tucks Gfoley4 in with Peter-C
[00:46] <Gfoley4> sry
[00:46] <Peter-C> >:|
�06[00:47] * Peter-C kicks derp
�08[00:47] * derp kicks Peter-C
[00:47] <Peter-C> damnit >:(
�06[00:47] * wctaiwan locks the door from the outside
[00:47] <Gfoley4> Peter-C: I have a "groove" of re-runs. 2 30 Rocks, then 4 The Offices
[00:47] <Gfoley4> then a How I Met Your Mother
[00:47] <Peter-C> :O
[00:47] <Gfoley4> and a Scrubs mixed in there
[00:47] <Gfoley4> but now I'm watching the Bulls
[00:47] <Peter-C> ::D:D:D::D
[00:48] <Peter-C> The bull run? In Spain?
[00:48] <Peter-C> Isn't that in the summer?
[00:48] <harej> Or  the Chicago Bulls.
[00:48] <Pilif12p> Chicago Bulls
[00:48] <Pilif12p> because you know
[00:48] <harej> Who are "da Bulls," not "the Bulls."
[00:48] <Gfoley4> Chicago Bulls, best record in NBA last season
[00:48] <Pilif12p> Gfoley4 is from Chicagoland
[00:48] <Gfoley4> er
[00:48] <Gfoley4> not really
�08[00:48] * derp gives Peter-C some ether to breathe
[00:48] <Pilif12p> Illinois
[00:48] <Pilif12p> close enough
[00:48] <Peter-C> A little bit of ether makes a mighty big fire
[00:49] <Gfoley4> harej: I believe that only applies to da bears
[00:49] <Thorncrag> "Hey does this towel smell like chloroform?"
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[00:51] <Peter-C> Fun fact: If I were on a wiki banner my photo would not display and the text next to it would read "I'm too sexy for this banner"
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[00:54] <Peter-C> Guys: At Wikimania come to my room! It's gonna be a rave all night! :D
[00:54] <Peter-C> Except after 1AM
[00:54] <Peter-C> Anything after that is just crazy
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�08[00:56] <derp> sex orgy?
[00:56] <Pilif12p> i'll bring the ecstasy
�08[00:56] <derp> Peter-C can go to NYC to get the ectasy.
[00:57] <harej> I don't think the dorms allow alcohol. I don't know to what extent they enforce that, but if you're rendered homeless because you broke the rules, it ain't my fault.
[00:57] <Peter-C> Cool story! :d
[00:57] <Peter-C> :(
[00:57] <Peter-C> I will stay in harej's place if I get kicked out
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[00:57] <Peter-C> We can hold the rave there!
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�08[00:58] <derp|party> ni ni <3
[00:58] <Peter-C> night
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[01:01] <Peter-C> 23 hours
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[01:18] <PiRSquared17> ni ni
[01:19] <barts1a> GAH! NOT THE NIGHTS WHO SAY NI!
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[01:21] <SigmaWP> Who wants to help me clean up the coal balls?
�06[01:22] * SigmaWP pokes PiRSquared17
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[01:22] <PiRSquared17> ...
[01:22] <PiRSquared17> Isn't that Facebook or something?
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[01:24] <PiRSquared17> I suppose poking existed before Facebook
[01:24] <PiRSquared17> Friends probably did too
[01:24] <SigmaWP> Coal balls?
[01:24] <SigmaWP> Long before humanity
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[01:25] <ToiletBomber> hhfhtdgrdstrst
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[01:26] <ToiletBomber> I just won a game in SC2, to the tune of Nyancat.
[01:26] <PiRSquared17> hhfhtdgrdstrst{{cn}}{{clarify}}{{who}}
[01:26] <SigmaWP> ToiletBomber: Hi
[01:26] <SigmaWP> PiRSquared17: You forgot {{wtf}}
[01:26] <PiRSquared17> lol
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[01:26] <PiRSquared17> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2009_July_3#Template:Wtf
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[01:30] <Thorncrag> Yay! I got the AfC to below 200 :)
[01:31] <PiRSquared17> Yay! TLA is a TLA!
[01:31] <Daley> Try getting 25,979 articles under 200.
[01:32] <PiRSquared17> 25,979?
[01:32] <Daley> yep thats the backlog
[01:32] <PiRSquared17> Of what?
[01:32] <Daley> Assessment of B class articles :P
[01:33] <SigmaWP> Daley: Half of them should either be demoted to start (due to lack of refs) or GA nommed
[01:33] <Thorncrag> Daley: That's not really a backlog, that's a forwardlog :P
[01:33] <foks> That's not even a backlog
[01:34] <Daley> foks what is it then?
[01:34] <Daley> I'll ask them to change it from backlog
[01:35] <foks> Well there are far more important tasks than the check some B articles
[01:35] <foks> * to
[01:36] <Daley> Whoever, including myself have done good in 4 months to get about 800 articles done.
[01:37] <Daley> if they are in here, I congratulate whoever you are.
[01:39] <ToiletBomber> nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan
[01:39] <Gfoley4> stop that
[01:40] <ToiletBomber> stop that
[01:40] <SigmaWP> taht pots
[01:40] <ToiletBomber> No, you stop that.
[01:40] <ToiletBomber> No, you!
[01:40] <ToiletBomber> Cut it out, double!
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[01:40] <SigmaWP> ToiletBomber: Are you any good with regex?
[01:40] <ToiletBomber> Uh, no.
[01:41] <PiRSquared17> ...
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[01:42] <Daley> SigmaWP: To reply to your comment above, we are working through them.
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[01:43] <Pilif12p> er
[01:43] <Pilif12p> this is awkward
[01:43] <SigmaWP> Missed
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�06[01:44] * Thorncrag is slowly turning into an inclusionist!
[01:44] <barts1a> !fail ++
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[01:44] <SigmaWP> Thorncrag: Nooooo
[01:44] <slakr> did someone !fail?
[01:44] <SigmaWP> Thorncrag: Join the great Association of Exclusionist Wikipedians
[01:44] <slakr> ah yes,
[01:44] <Thorncrag> SigmaWP: as long as it's not a junk article!
[01:44] <Pilif12p> slakr, sorry bro
[01:44] <PiRSquared17> !win --
[01:44] <Thorncrag> junk articles = dletzor
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[01:45] <barts1a> You just failed so hard you made him quit!
�06[01:45] * slakr puts Pilif12p outside for being bad
[01:45] <slakr> :P
[01:46] <Pilif12p> i've broken into my own house before
[01:46] <Pilif12p> don't think i can't break back into my house again
�06[01:46] * barts1a too
[01:46] <barts1a> I locked myself out and had to climb in through a window
[01:46] <Pilif12p> the power went out
[01:47] <Pilif12p> and we didn't have a key for the storm door
[01:47] <Pilif12p> because it was installed a few weeks before that
[01:47] <Pilif12p> oh, i should mention this is in the middle of January. There's a blizzard going on. Freezing rain too.
[01:48] <Pilif12p> and it's about -5f with 30+mph winds
[01:48] <Daley> Pilif12p - I've had to do that once in almost 28 years.
[01:48] <Pilif12p> so we went to eeeeeeeeevery store in town. Walmart was open. Bought screwdrivers, popped the window off of the door and unlocked it from the inside
[01:49] <Pilif12p> then used the key to get through the normal door
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[01:49] <Pilif12p> Daley, only once?
[01:49] <Daley> Pilif12p - Unfortunately I did have the key, the door was stubborn.
[01:49] <Daley> yes once.
[01:49] <Daley> after a funeral
[01:50] <Pilif12p> that would suck...
[01:50] <Daley> and people were coming around
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[01:51] <Daley> Think I was 21 at the time.
[01:52] <Pilif12p> bad thing about living in new house: window locks work. even for the owner.
[01:53] <Daley> The house next door has locks on the windows so it'll be bad luck for them if they forget the keys to the door.  Because the windows are like high up.
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[01:56] <darkfalls> I keep like 3 backup keys.  :)
[01:56] <Pilif12p> yeah, we do too
[01:57] <Pilif12p> but they're conveniently inside the house.
[01:57] <PiRSquared17> Is rollback allowed for cases like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kulpahar&diff=468726696&oldid=468724567 ???
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[01:57] <PiRSquared17> looks good-faith
[01:57] <PiRSquared17> Reverted editor is in -help ...
[01:58] <darkfalls> don't rollback unless it's obvious vandalism
[01:58] <Gfoley4> so, restore/fix it
[01:58] <slakr> it does break the link
[01:59] <Daley> I was in the Philippines for 10 weeks.  The inside toilet got locked, which we eventually found out it cracked in the middle.  So our friend got a new lock with 3 spare keys to it and before I left, I gave them to my friend to give to the apartment owner.
[01:59] <slakr> and it adds promotional stuff
[01:59] <slakr> (the user that b.wilson reverted)
[02:00] <slakr> like
[02:00] <slakr> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kulpahar&action=historysubmit&diff=468728158&oldid=468726696
[02:00] <slakr> that's not even a valid link
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[02:01] <PiRSquared17> Xhe is very confused
[02:01] <PiRSquared17> *Xe?
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[02:02] <PiRSquared17> <π> "And after you finish your meal don't forget to chew the famous betel leaf of Mahoba" <π> Maybe more like (for example): <ajayzx123> dont joke <π> "The betel leaf of Mahoba is common in Kulpahar.<ref>[website]</ref>" <ajayzx123> do u want to taste this
[02:02] <PiRSquared17> I shortened my nick to π to fit it on a line...
[02:03] <darkfalls> Ryulong: What's with Donnabalancia?
[02:03] <Ryulong> I don't know
[02:03] <Ryulong> and you accurately determined why I came in here
[02:03] <Ryulong> because I don't know if this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=468731778 is an overreaction to this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryulong&diff=prev&oldid=468731276
[02:03] <darkfalls> I was reviewing CSDs and saw the AIV report
[02:03] <Ryulong> all of those pages are shit
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[02:04] <darkfalls> none of them can be deleted with CSD tho
[02:04] <darkfalls> borderline cases
[02:04] <Gfoley4> AGF?
[02:04] <Ryulong> they're not really borderline cases
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[02:04] <Ryulong> none of the pages profess that the subject is noteworthy
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[02:04] <Ryulong> also one of those pages she blanked
[02:05] <darkfalls> i deleted that one
[02:05] <Ryulong> oh
[02:05] <Ryulong> >Publisher Donna Balancia started her journalism career at
[02:05] <Ryulong> kill it with fire
[02:05] <Ryulong> "it" being [[The Florida Law Journal]]
[02:05] <darkfalls> yeah, massive COI there
[02:05] <harej> FLaw
[02:05] <darkfalls> harej can handle it ;)
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[02:06] <darkfalls> Ryulong: About the message, it's not that hard to find your history with a google search
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[02:06] <darkfalls> seems to have a threatening tone about it tho.
[02:07] <Ryulong> just get rid of her
[02:07] <darkfalls> meh
[02:08] <Ryulong> and all her crappy selfserving pages
[02:09] <Ryulong> and what of my history can be found with a google search
[02:09] <darkfalls> umm, the arb case i suppose
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[02:11] <Ryulong> I really don't want to deal with AFDs on these when speedy deletions are just as good
[02:12] <Ryulong> really
[02:12] <Ryulong> can we block her
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[02:12] <Ryulong> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARyulong&action=historysubmit&diff=468733430&oldid=468733400
[02:13] <darkfalls> bleh
[02:13] <Aranda|work> fucking one of the worse days I ever had at work :(
[02:13] <darkfalls> too much of a fuss
[02:14] <darkfalls> Aranda|work: Did that cute co-worker that you were eyeing break your heart?
[02:14] <Aranda|work> I'm in huge shock I really needed the money that's why I'm still with the fucking nightclub and it was fucking disastrous
[02:15] <darkfalls> oh night club. She turned out to be... improper?
[02:16] <darkfalls> ok enough jokes, what happened.
[02:16] <Ryulong> ugh, AFD
[02:17] <darkfalls> Oh material declined it
[02:18] <Aranda|work> darkfalls I needed the money and I did some promotions for the nightclub, i expected to make a decent amount of money only 5 people came, while the other promoters were being corrupt all around me
[02:18] <Ryulong> what about [[Space Coast Office of Tourism]]
[02:18] <Aranda|work> so instead of decent amount i got 0 dollars and I have no money for tomorrow and I'm short on rent
[02:18] <darkfalls> Ryulong: Material seems to be handling it. Don't be surprised if you have to do afd for that too
[02:18] <Ryulong> ugh
[02:18] <SigmaWP> Aranda|work: Capitalism
[02:18] <darkfalls> Aranda|work: My suggestion? Get a better job.
[02:19] <SigmaWP> My suggestion? Reform the economy.
[02:19] <Ryulong> it's such a waste of time for shit articles
[02:19] <darkfalls> No kidding, but process is process.
[02:19] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: AfD?
[02:19] <Ryulong> yes
[02:19] <Aranda|work> darkfalls it's dead season in the nightclub business but it was the day before new years eve so it should have been decent money :/
[02:20] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: We need new CSD criteria.
[02:20] <darkfalls> Aranda|work: Should've done it on New Year's Eve
[02:20] <Aranda|work> i have an other job but all the money is going straight to bills and I really can't leave the nightclub job for a tougher job right now until my health improves
[02:20] <Ryulong> the criteria seem to be fine
[02:20] <darkfalls> what's the average turnout to those anyway
[02:20] <Pilif12p> Aranda|work, You work at a night club?
[02:20] <Ryulong> maybe
[02:21] <Pilif12p> doing what?
[02:21] <darkfalls> Aranda|work: I would assume a lack of sleep has something to do with your health.
[02:21] <darkfalls> Go to sleep.
[02:21] <Aranda|work> darkfalls new years eve there's no guestlist it's only presale tickets and I suck selling presale tickets :p
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[02:21] <Aranda|work> darkfalls and my nightclub job being a "night" club :p
[02:22] <Aranda|work> we got Jim Jones and DMX for new years eve :/
[02:22] <darkfalls> work doing the day and night, edit wiki in your spare time.
[02:22] <darkfalls> makes sense.
[02:22] <darkfalls> not.
[02:22] <Pilif12p> SigmaWP, in which country do you currently reside?
�06[02:22] * SigmaWP melts Pilif12p
[02:22] <Aranda|work> Pilif12p United States ;P
[02:23] <SigmaWP> Pilif12p: How can you sympathise with human corruption made manifest?
[02:23] <Pilif12p> i'm moving to canada sometime
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[02:23] <darkfalls> Come to Australia, we have something called welfare.
[02:23] <SigmaWP> And weird accents/
[02:23] <darkfalls> :p
[02:23] <Pilif12p> darkfalls, Yeah that's used a lot here.
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[02:23] <Pilif12p> I think you can get it if your annual income is under $20,000 or so.
[02:24] <SigmaWP> Pilif12p: How?
[02:24] <Pilif12p> SigmaWP, how what?
[02:24] <darkfalls> Pilif12p: Not enough to survive on.
[02:24] <SigmaWP> can you sympathise with human corruption made manifest
[02:24] <Aranda|work> darkfalls I'll move to Australia :D
�06[02:24] * Pilif12p guesses... north korea
�06[02:24] * Aranda|work needs to get out of Miami :D
[02:24] <darkfalls> We have inflation tho.
[02:24] <Aranda|work> do a Laura|Dinner
[02:25] <slakr> red states sorta suck when it comes to giving a crap about people.
[02:25] <slakr> :P
[02:25] <Pilif12p> red is republican right?
[02:25] <SigmaWP> Unless your mind has melded into greed itself?
[02:25] <darkfalls> no kidding.
[02:25] <slakr> Pilif12p: yes
�06[02:26] * Aranda|work wants to move to Australia :'(
[02:26] <Pilif12p> iowa is pretty republican i think
[02:26] <darkfalls> funny how republicans and communists share the same color.
[02:26] <Aranda|work> or Europe
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[02:26] <darkfalls> Europe is about to blow up
[02:26] <darkfalls> well the EU is anyway
[02:26] <SigmaWP> darkfalls: Will there be war?
[02:26] <Aranda56> Syria looks like a nice place to live :P
[02:26] <SigmaWP> Or at least, do you think there will be?
[02:27] <darkfalls> no.
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[02:27] <darkfalls> It's economic meltdown
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[02:29] <SigmaWP> Just as a demonstration, for when capitalism finally gets swept to the ash heap of history
[02:29] <Pilif12p> you think i enjoy living in this country?
[02:29] <Pilif12p> i really don't.
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[02:29] <foks> lolEurope
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[02:32] <LauraHale> Australia is a nice place to live.
�06[02:32] * Aranda56 moves to Syria Iraq Iran North Korea Libya Yemen Egypt and Greece :D
[02:32] <Aranda56> which country I'll be killed first ;P
[02:32] <Aranda56> I want to move out of Miami
[02:32] <LauraHale> :)
[02:32] <LauraHale> The thing about moving to another country is knowing all the worts ahead of time.
[02:33] <Pilif12p> I didn't know until today that in UK wearing a hoodie is considered gang-related.
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[02:33] <foks> Welllllll
[02:34] <foks> Not always, I mean, it helps if it's lots of hoodie-wearing people together all slouching and hanging around ATMs
[02:34] <foks> or whatever
[02:34] <LauraHale> In Australia, you're not an authentic Aussie unless you wear thongs everywhere and wouldn't mind going to the shopping mall in your bare feet.
[02:34] <Pilif12p> ...wat
[02:34] <foks> oh my god I've done that
[02:34] <foks> that's weird.
[02:35] <Pilif12p> done what?
[02:35] <Pilif12p> worn a thong or...?
[02:35] <LauraHale> thong = flip flops
[02:35] <Pilif12p> oh
[02:35] <LauraHale> foks: See mate?  You don't really want to move. ;)
[02:35] <Pilif12p> okokok
[02:35] <Pilif12p> that clears so much up
[02:35] <foks> :(
[02:36] <foks> hahahahahahaha
[02:36] <foks> lol thongs
[02:36] <foks> oh dear
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[02:36] <foks> I thought that too
[02:36] <LauraHale> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU/W2G <-- If you know any Aussies, encourage them to do that.  If anyone wants to be on the jury (because they are good at GAs/FAs/DYKs and can make sure no cheating, I will be happy.)
[02:36] <foks> 'you wear thongs?!'
�06[02:36] * LauraHale loves using the word thongs like that :D
[02:36] <SigmaWP> o.
[02:36] <Aranda56> which Australian city is the best one
[02:36] <SigmaWP> o.O
[02:36] <LauraHale> It all depends on who you ask.
[02:36] <Aranda56> foks LauraHale I see thongs also in Miami :p
�06[02:36] * LauraHale loves Canberra, but would take Melbourne over Sydney.
[02:36] <LauraHale> Port Douglas is pretty awesome.
[02:36] <Aranda56> Miami = evil
�06[02:37] * foks totally wants to live in Canberra
[02:37] <foks> The weather is so much nicer
�06[02:37] * Aranda56 reads the Port Douglas article
[02:37] <Pilif12p> I want to live in California if I haaaaaaaave to stay in the US
[02:37] <Pilif12p> Otherwise Toronto, or Berlin.
[02:37] <Aranda56> California is very expensive
[02:37] <LauraHale> foks: You can stay here. ;)  Two great unis. :D
[02:37] <Pilif12p> Mountain View perhaps.
[02:37] <Aranda56> i also dont want cold weather so
[02:38] <LauraHale> We even have a night club! :D
[02:38] <Pilif12p> Aranda56, I know, but the pay is a lot better than it is in say, Iowa.
[02:38] <foks> lmao
[02:38] <Pilif12p> From what I've researched, sysadmins can make around $100,000 per year in CA
[02:38] <LauraHale> Minimum wage in Australia is $16.50 an hour.
[02:38] <Pilif12p> and maybe $60,000 in IA
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[02:39] <LauraHale> cost of living makes a difference.
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[02:39] <foks> LauraHale, not for 18-year-olds
[02:39] <Aranda56> well which celebrity is throwing a party in Australia for New Years Eve :?
[02:39] <Pilif12p> LauraHale, that's more than twice as much as it is in US
[02:40] <Pilif12p> minimum wage in US is $7.25
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[02:40] <LtNOWIS|TV> So, an allegedly closeted gay Republican politician is in WikiProject: LGBT studies
[02:40] <Aranda56> LauraHale really?
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[02:41] <darkfalls> Living in Sydney atm
[02:41] <darkfalls> moving to Canberra in 2 months
[02:41] <Aranda56> but i'll presume the cost of living is much higher
[02:41] <LtNOWIS|TV> with the explanation saying that the tag doesn't make a definitive statement about the sexuality.
[02:41] <darkfalls> Melbourne has the best nightlife
[02:41] <darkfalls> Sydney is the most expensive
[02:41] <LauraHale> :D
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[02:41] <LauraHale> Cost of living� is cheaper in Canberra but not much
[02:41] <darkfalls> Canberra is cheaper
[02:42] <darkfalls> by around 20-30%
[02:42] <LtNOWIS|TV> I guess by that precedent I can add "WikiProject Criminal Biography" to the talk pages of various politicians I don't like.
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[02:42] <darkfalls> LtNOWIS|TV: If he's closeted, remove the tag
�06[02:43] * LauraHale loves Canberra and is biased
[02:43] <LauraHale> Also, have not seen much of Sydney
[02:43] <darkfalls> Sydney's alright
[02:43] <darkfalls> tough to find a job there tho, unless you're qualified
�06[02:43] * LtNOWIS|TV should remember that Americans are mostly asleep at this hour
[02:43] <LtNOWIS|TV> but thanks for the advice.
[02:44] <LauraHale> If the Americans live in America, yes.
[02:44] <darkfalls> Americans are dull.
�06[02:44] * LauraHale pouts
[02:44] <darkfalls> Aus is where the fun's at.
[02:44] <LauraHale> Yes, toots right.
[02:45] <Aranda56> is there any hood or projects there in Australia :p
[02:45] <darkfalls> hood?
[02:45] <LauraHale> Yes.
[02:46] <LauraHale> There are gangs in Australia
[02:46] <LauraHale> and run down places in cities with wanna be gangsters.
[02:46] <LauraHale> Just watch Underbelly.
[02:46] <Aranda56> hmm
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[02:47] <darkfalls> Underbelly is 90% fiction
[02:47] <LauraHale> Underbelly is entertaining.
[02:47] <darkfalls> as longas you stay away from the low-income suburbs, you could leave your house unlocked
[02:47] <darkfalls> and noone will care
[02:47] <Aranda56> low income suburbs :/
[02:47] <foks> Underbelly is fucking annoying
[02:48] <darkfalls> well, there's only 1-2 in Sydney
[02:48] <foks> I'll tell you why
[02:48] <darkfalls> that you need to worry about
[02:48] <foks> STV is the main Scottish TV channel (other than the BBC)
[02:48] <LauraHale> The earlier seasons were good.
[02:48] <foks> They commissioned series after series of underbelly
[02:48] <foks> and cancelled Doc Martin to do so.
[02:48] <foks> :(
[02:48] <barts1a> doc martin is good
[02:48] <Aranda56> what's the most dangerous city
[02:48] <foks> Underbelly was the most boring show ever
�06[02:49] * LauraHale enjoyed it
[02:49] <foks> Aranda56, in Australia?
[02:49] <Aranda56> yea
[02:49] <foks> They all have their iffy suburbs
[02:49] <darkfalls> none of them are dangerous.
[02:49] <LauraHale> But I also enjoyed Masterchef and Satisfaction and Frontline.
[02:49] <foks> Here we have Northbridge
[02:49] <foks> Which is like, assault central
[02:49] <darkfalls> Mount Druitt for Sydney, probably.
[02:49] <foks> But that's probably since that's were all the bars are
[02:49] <foks> Cannington is iffy
�06[02:50] * LauraHale can't think if a place in Canberra : /
[02:50] <LauraHale> I do know where the low income housing is though.
[02:50] <Aranda56> yea seems safe if most of the articles in Crime in Australia are redlinks :p
[02:50] <LauraHale> The big drug guy here apparently runs a security business, to justify all those cameras outside his business. :)
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[02:51] <darkfalls> well, murders are reported on national news for a week.
[02:51] <Aranda56> foks Perth right?
[02:51] <darkfalls> so yeah..
[02:51] <foks> yep
[02:51] <foks> Yeah.
[02:51] <darkfalls> I wouldn't classify Perth as a city.
[02:51] <foks> Uh, I dunno about the NT
[02:51] <darkfalls> it's a town.
[02:51] <darkfalls> XD
[02:51] <foks> It's a city.
[02:51] <foks> :P
[02:51] <darkfalls> nope.
[02:51] <foks> It's larger than Canberra.
[02:51] <LauraHale> Canberra is a city. :D
[02:52] <darkfalls> East coast is where it's at
�06[02:52] * LauraHale wubbles Canberra
�06[02:52] * foks wants to go there!
�06[02:52] * foks will be gong there!
[02:52] <Aranda56> darkfalls murders unless it's some poor innocent blond white hot girl don't even be on the news for more than a day
[02:52] <foks> If all goes well.
[02:52] <foks> Aranda56, uh
[02:52] <Aranda56> in the US
[02:52] <foks> oh.
[02:52] <foks> Nah, you hear all about them here since they're fairly rare
[02:52] <darkfalls> Aranda56: There was a murder half a year back, they're still reporting on it.
[02:52] <foks> I love though
[02:52] <foks> Australian media use the word "bashed"
[02:53] <foks> "bashed"!?
[02:53] <foks> You bash a car
[02:53] <foks> You don't bash a person
[02:53] <LauraHale> They reported on the guy who killed some one with  �a Samuri sword for a long time.
[02:53] <darkfalls> Ill be going to ANU in a few months. Meh.
[02:53] <LauraHale> Canberra drivers are awful.
[02:53] <LauraHale> ANU is nicely located. :)
[02:54] <LauraHale> darkfalls: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/HOPAU/W2G <-- :D
[02:54] <foks> Drivers all over this country are awful
[02:54] <darkfalls> ehh.. no
�06[02:54] * LauraHale waggles her eyebrows
[02:54] <darkfalls> :p
[02:54] <SigmaWP> slakr: Poke
[02:54] <LauraHale> Canberra drivers don't like to see a fresh shiny pole.
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[02:54] <LauraHale> They try to knock it around it and bend it.
[02:54] <Aranda56> foks darkfalls see [[Casey Anthony]] on how the US reports crime :p
[02:54] <SigmaWP> slakr: Nudge
[02:54] <foks> Oh shush
[02:54] <LauraHale> Aranda56: We get American crime stories here. :)
[02:54] <darkfalls> Well I'll be driving in Canberra so meh.
[02:55] <SigmaWP> slakr: Poke
�06[02:55] * LauraHale takes the bus, walks, takes her bicycle
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[02:55] <Aranda56> LauraHale so you know already that case :p
[02:55] <LauraHale> I occasionally steal a car.
[02:55] <Aranda56> ok Amanda Knox ;P
[02:55] <LauraHale> Aranda56: I moved from Chicago to Canberra.
[02:55] <SigmaWP> slakr: poke
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[02:56] <Aranda56> in the United States if some child gets murdered, it's in the news for two years or more
[02:56] <LauraHale> If some child gets murdered here, try 15.
[02:57] <LauraHale> And they'll try to change every law around to make sure it doesn't happen, even if they have to make it lillegal for dingos to copulate.
[02:57] <darkfalls> XD
[02:57] <darkfalls> dingo stole my baby story.
[02:57] <barts1a> good luck enforcing that one
[02:57] <LauraHale> :D
[02:58] <LauraHale> They'll just make the dingos put their dongos in plain packaging.
[02:58] <darkfalls> Aranda56: We sitll report on this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance
[02:58] <darkfalls> 1980 to 2010.
[02:58] <SigmaWP> FOrgewt it
[02:58] <Aranda56> LauraHale with Casey Anthony if that happens in Australia, it would be reported until she dies right
[02:59] <barts1a> See above
[02:59] <SigmaWP> BVye everyone
[02:59] <SigmaWP> Bye
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[02:59] <LauraHale> Aranda56: It would take the commission designed to investigate it 50 years to come up with a finding.
[02:59] <barts1a> cVya
[02:59] <Aranda56> instead of a year like it happened in the US :P
[03:00] <darkfalls> No the commission would have published the finding in a month, which the media 'forgets' to report.
[03:00] <barts1a> for 49 years and 11 months
[03:00] <darkfalls> ...until another slow news day in 5 years, when they'll reopen the case to speculation
�06[03:00] * Aranda56 takes darkfalls and foks to the USA :D
[03:00] <darkfalls> I've been there
�06[03:01] * barts1a has never left australia
[03:01] <darkfalls> Not impressed, except for netflix.
[03:01] <LauraHale> I have zero desire to move back to the USA.
[03:01] <Aranda56> Macys in Australia?
�06[03:01] * LauraHale is going to try to get permanent residency in Australia.
[03:01] <LauraHale> David Jones in the USA?
[03:02] <darkfalls> David Jones. Myers plz.
[03:02] <wctaiwan> how about a more-or-less unrestricted YouTube and access to Pandora and iTunes gift cards...
[03:02] <Aranda56> Theres any US brands in Australia like Macys? :P
[03:02] <foks> Spotify > Pandora
[03:02] <darkfalls> wctaiwan: We got itunes annd pandora gift cards.
[03:02] <barts1a> In australia we have McDonalds, David Jones, Myer and Burger King (Trading as Hungry Jacks)
[03:02] <wctaiwan> we have neither :(
[03:02] <foks> Which is why I love the UK
[03:02] <foks> :3
[03:02] <LauraHale> Aranda56: Do you have David Jones there?
[03:03] <Ryulong> darkfalls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#Is_this_what_editors_are_supposed_to_say_about_new_users.3F
[03:03] <LauraHale> Gloria Jeans is Australian owned. ;)
[03:03] <wctaiwan> surely it's the tea, foks?
[03:03] <Aranda56> LauraJones no :(
[03:03] <Ryulong> also http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Space_Coast_Office_of_Tourism&action=historysubmit&diff=468736189&oldid=468736162
[03:03] <darkfalls> lol.ouch
[03:03] <Aranda56> well sleep :D
[03:03] <LauraHale> Aranda56: America is not everywhere. ;)  And easy enough to look that up.
[03:04] <LauraHale> Australia only has 22 million people.
[03:04] <darkfalls> Im gonna recuse , cos i simply can't be bothered to get into all the drama
[03:04] <Aranda56> LauraHale that's it wow
[03:04] <LtNOWIS|TV> Hmm. I guess ancestry.com is being cited a lot these days.
[03:04] <Aranda56> that's about as many in the New York City area by itself
�06[03:04] * LauraHale had some American be all "WOW! AUSTRALIA HAS SANTA CLAUS!" and they were serious.
[03:05] <LauraHale> They also didn't understand that when the USA does summer, Australia does winter.
[03:05] <darkfalls> Americans have low IQs.
�06[03:05] * darkfalls points to Aranda56
[03:05] <foks> I Google Map'd Alice Springs.
�06[03:05] * darkfalls hides
[03:05] <foks> What a strange place
[03:05] <LauraHale> Americans expect everyone to know all about them, but rarely assume they should know all about others.
[03:05] <darkfalls> foks: Northern Territory, WA and SA don't exist
[03:05] <darkfalls> enuff said.
[03:05] <foks> oh shush
[03:05] <LauraHale> Followed by the next fun step: Everything should be like the USA.
[03:06] <foks> WA brings in all your money
[03:06] <darkfalls> nonsense.
�06[03:06] * Aranda56 takes darkfalls to the United States and make him watch Grey's Anatomy tied to a chair
[03:06] <darkfalls> 've watched an episode
[03:06] <barts1a> We had that show over in Australia
[03:06] <darkfalls> didn't like it
[03:06] <barts1a> still playing here AFAIK
�06[03:06] * foks has got into L&O: SVU
[03:06] <darkfalls> yeah think so
[03:06] <barts1a> we have that too
[03:06] <LauraHale> ACT brings in all your brains. :D
[03:06] <foks> I know, barts1a
�06[03:06] * foks lives in Perth
[03:07] <foks> TV1 or something.
[03:07] <barts1a> it's on free to air
[03:07] <darkfalls> LauraHale: I think the average IQ will increase if we nuked ACT tbh.Too many politicians.
[03:07] <Ryulong> anyway, back to watching big fat quiz
[03:07] <LauraHale> The polis live elsewhere.
[03:07] <LauraHale> They just visit here.
[03:07] <Aranda56> ok
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�06[03:08] * Aranda56 takes DarkFalls to Alaska and leaves him with no money :D
[03:08] <barts1a> Australia is unique in that you can nuke it's captol city and almost nothing would change
[03:08] <darkfalls> If we nuked Canberra when they're voting on some nonsensical bill*
[03:08] <LauraHale> I'd like to disagree...
[03:08] <LauraHale> HEY NOW.
[03:08] <LauraHale> The ACT would do a lot better of the New South Welshmen would stop abusing territory services and not paying for them.
[03:09] <darkfalls> we could invade.
[03:09] <darkfalls> *cough*
[03:09] <barts1a> And WA would do a lot better if you would stop hogging our mining royalties
[03:09] <LauraHale> You did.  Now you have Jervis Bs�ay.
[03:09] <darkfalls> hehe
�06[03:09] * Aranda56 notices IRC is only Australians at this time at night and goes to bed :p
[03:10] <foks> g'daaay maaate
[03:10] <LauraHale> Aussie Aussie Aussie. :D
[03:10] <darkfalls> we could take over all of ACT. You're surrounded from all sides ;)
[03:10] <barts1a> OI OI OI
[03:10] <LauraHale> Yes, but NSW won't because they need us. :D
[03:10] <darkfalls> barts1a: WA doesn't exist. Hush, you.
[03:10] <darkfalls> nonsense. What's the use in all those pollies.
[03:10] <barts1a> Excuse me? Which state just hosted CHOGM?
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[03:10] <darkfalls> CHOGM?
[03:10] <LauraHale> We had the queen more!
[03:11] <barts1a> Commonwelth Heads of Govenment Meeting
[03:11] <darkfalls> ah
[03:11] <LauraHale> Commmhonealweath head of nations
[03:11] <LauraHale> Wow, that spelling was awful.
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[03:11] <darkfalls> yeah... commonwealth. umm.
[03:11] <darkfalls> why aren't we a republic already.
[03:11] <barts1a> The queen came to visit along with a heap of other powerful commonwealth leaders
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[03:11] <LauraHale> But yes, Canberra had the Queen for a long time.  And who hosted the President of the United STates?  Oh yes! Canberra! :D
[03:11] <darkfalls> Queen has no power.
[03:11] <barts1a> darkfalls: We love the idea but hate the implamentation
[03:12] <LauraHale> Julia Gillard's power depends on KRudd. :D
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[03:12] <barts1a> you mean Kevin O' Lemon right?
[03:12] <darkfalls> well no, Julia Gillard's power depends on the fact that there are no competent politicians to replace her
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[03:13] <darkfalls> competent politicians. Oxymoron, right there.
[03:13] <barts1a> heh. Librels spend millions of dollars on that slogan and kevin gets the chop a day before the ads are due to start
[03:13] <LauraHale> And the fact that independents would lose if she lost power.
[03:13] <LauraHale> Liberals are smart. ;)
[03:13] <darkfalls> Abbott's a pile of crap masquerading as a human being
[03:14] <darkfalls> enough said.
�06[03:14] * barts1a is just going to vote green and hope that the light rail plan for Perth doesn't get thrown out
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[03:15] <darkfalls> heh.
[03:15] <LauraHale> :)
[03:16] <darkfalls> we need a light rail to the middle of nowhere? No wonder the government's in debt
�06[03:16] * darkfalls grins and hides
[03:16] <LauraHale> Australians have no idea what government debt means you skin flints. :P
[03:17] <darkfalls> the money government borrowed from overseas = public debt
[03:17] <darkfalls> the money Australian citizens borrow from overseas = private debt
[03:17] <darkfalls> simple
�06[03:19] * barts1a was referring to http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/aboutus/23281.asp
[03:20] <barts1a> A picture of how the transport network will look under the plan is early in the summary
[03:21] <barts1a> and that's just rail/road based rapid transit
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[03:31] <darkfalls> 1 item on CSD.
�06[03:31] * darkfalls dances
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[03:32] <darkfalls> Ryulong: The Space thingo is still there
[03:32] <darkfalls> unfortunately
[03:32] <Ryulong> on CSD you mean
[03:33] <darkfalls> yes
[03:33] <Ryulong> ah
[03:33] <Ryulong> good enough
[03:33] <Ryulong> still watching 90 minute long program
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�06[03:46] * LauraHale /me is now spamming wikinews
�06[03:46] * LauraHale is watching Selling Houses Australia Extreme
[03:47] <darkfalls> o.o
�06[03:47] * darkfalls will not judge
[03:47] <darkfalls> oh dear, too late >_>
�06[03:47] * LauraHale likes crap television :D
[03:48] <LauraHale> Does being a Canberra Raiders supporter help or hinder my cause of being awesome?
[03:48] <LauraHale> :D
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[03:50] <darkfalls> I will not comment.
[03:50] <darkfalls> Shit.
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[03:51] <LauraHale> :D
[03:51] <LauraHale> I don't like the Broncos? :D
[03:51] <LauraHale> I prefer Aussie rules? :D
[03:51] <darkfalls> I prefer soccer.
[03:51] <darkfalls> Aussie rules...
[03:52] <darkfalls> I give up.
[03:52] <LauraHale> I like soccer. :D
�06[03:52] * LauraHale also likes basketball
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[04:08] <bobrayner> I hope you all have a happy new year. (Or if you're using a different calendar, I hope you all have a happy arbitrary day).
[04:08] <LauraHale> :)
[04:08] <LauraHale> 4 more hours. ;)
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[04:16] <darkfalls> *3 hrs and 44 minutes
[04:17] <bobrayner> yay.
[04:17] <Ryulong> christ
[04:17] <Ryulong> this woman is still bitching about me
[04:17] <bobrayner> ?
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[04:18] <Ryulong> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#Is_this_what_editors_are_supposed_to_say_about_new_users.3F
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[04:23] <Ryulong> woops
[04:23] <Ryulong> now I have to make another AFD
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[04:33] <Ryulong> god damn it can someone block this woman
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[04:40] <Ryulong> darkfalls
[04:40] <Ryulong> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bed_tax&action=historysubmit&diff=468747149&oldid=468746875
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[04:45] <darkfalls> Ryulong: Deleted. But you need to relax lol
[04:45] <Ryulong> How can I relax when there's stuff to be done on the Internet?
[04:46] <darkfalls> By that reasoning, we'd ll be dead right now..
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[04:58] <Plimblip> Hi, my monthly paycheck arrived early so I went ahead and put a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. Does anyone have a clue on how much more $ needs raising until the fundraiser is done?
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[05:02] <darkfalls> Plimblip: Quite a bit, I'd imagine
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[05:06] <Sp33dyphil> 2 Hours, 54 Mins and counting...
[05:07] <Ryulong> for what
[05:07] <Ryulong> oh, Samoa
[05:07] <Ryulong> ?
[05:07] <Sp33dyphil> nope, there's only one thing you talk about on December 31
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[05:08] <darkfalls> lol
[05:08] <Ryulong> are you counting down till when the International Date Line goes from December 31, 2011, to January 1, 2012?
[05:09] <darkfalls> No it's AEST
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[05:09] <Ryulong> am I counting wrong?
[05:10] <Sp33dyphil> nope, AEST
[05:10] <darkfalls> IDL is 50 minutes to New Years, i think
[05:10] <Ryulong> what about Kiribati
[05:11] <darkfalls> what's that.
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[05:11] <Ryulong> it's an archipelago nation in Oceania
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[05:12] <Ryulong> they're UTC+14
[05:12] <Sp33dyphil> Samoa is now the earlist place to greet 1 Jan
[05:12] <Sp33dyphil> strange
[05:12] <Ryulong> and +13
[05:12] <darkfalls> well, aest is UTC+11
[05:12] <Ryulong> sp33dyphil Samoa jumped back across the dateline today
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[05:12] <Sp33dyphil> they changed from driving on the right to the left, and now this
[05:12] <darkfalls> so Kiribati is already new Years
[05:12] <Sp33dyphil> "jumped back"?
[05:13] <darkfalls> as of 13 minutes ago
[05:13] <Ryulong> sp33dyphil: around 2000 they went to the east side of the dateline for whatever reason
[05:13] <Ryulong> and now they're west of it
[05:13] <Sp33dyphil> k
[05:13] <Ryulong> so they went from December 29 to December 31
[05:13] <Ryulong> skipping over all of December 30
[05:13] <darkfalls> Samoa is an attention whore
[05:13] <darkfalls> enough said.
[05:14] <darkfalls> She'd do anything to appear on the front page of Wikipedia
[05:14] <Ryulong> some country did this for the millenium
�06[05:14] * LauraHale is not sure she can stay awake to the new year. :(
[05:14] <Sp33dyphil> come on
[05:14] <Ryulong> but Samoa skipped a day because it no longer trades with the US as much as it does Aus and NZ
[05:14] <darkfalls> LauraHale: Man up!
[05:15] <Sp33dyphil> it's only once a year
[05:15] <Sp33dyphil> I'm going to the CBD later
[05:15] <LauraHale> darkfalls: No! I don't want to! :P
[05:15] <darkfalls> >.<
�06[05:15] * LauraHale has no desire to be a man. 
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[05:15] <Sp33dyphil> so the least you can do is slouch on the couch
[05:15] <Ryulong> oh wait it was kiribati that changed the date line
[05:15] <Sp33dyphil> Ryulong: where's the 2000 time zone change at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoa_Time_Zone ?
[05:15] <Ryulong> >Kiribati's 1995 act of moving the international date line far to the east to encompass the Line Islands group, so that it would no longer be divided by the date line, courted controversy. The move, which fulfilled one of President Tito's campaign promises, was intended to allow businesses all across the expansive nation to keep the same business week. This also enabled Kiribati to become
[05:15] <Ryulong> the first country to see the dawn of the third millennium, an event of significance for tourism.
[05:15] <LauraHale> If I hear one more story about Samoa again, I will scream.
[05:16] <Ryulong> WRONG COUNTRY
[05:16] <darkfalls> stupid Kiribati
[05:16] <darkfalls> what a slut.
[05:16] <Bsadowski1> Ryulong!
[05:16] <Ryulong> wat
[05:16] <Bsadowski1> Hi
[05:16] <Ryulong> oh
[05:16] <Ryulong> also http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/International_Date_Line.png
[05:17] <darkfalls> oh dear. Ryu fanboys.
[05:17] <Sp33dyphil> Ryulong: what's Kiribati?
[05:17] <Ryulong> the only place in the world where it's 2012
[05:17] <Ryulong> currently
[05:17] <Sp33dyphil> oh, pockets of sand in the Pacific
[05:17] <Ryulong> yeah for the most part
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[05:21] <darkfalls> yaaaay no items on csd
[05:21] <darkfalls> I am awesome.
[05:22] <Ryulong> hmm
[05:22] <Ryulong> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=675
[05:22] <Ryulong> this is confusing
[05:23] <Ryulong> it's new year in Samoa and Tokelau
[05:23] <LauraHale> UTC+11 = 9:23pm
[05:23] <Ryulong> but not in the Gilberts yet
[05:23] <LauraHale> The world is weird.
[05:24] <Ryulong> I thought Samoa wasn't UTC+14 anymore
�06[05:24] * LauraHale is in australia and has no idea what the Samoans are doing
[05:24] <darkfalls> huh
[05:25] <Sp33dyphil> http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/multicountdown.html interesting
[05:25] <darkfalls> yeah seems right
[05:26] <darkfalls> Samoa are now +14 since they jumped
[05:26] <darkfalls> NZ are 2 hrs ahead of us
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[05:26] <Ryulong> they've skipped tonga
�06[05:26] * LauraHale loves New Zealand
[05:27] <darkfalls> still think we should've invaded NZ when we had the chance
[05:27] <darkfalls> would've saved a lot of hassle
[05:28] <Sp33dyphil> darkfalls: "We"?
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[05:28] <darkfalls> Aus
[05:28] <Ryulong> poor American Samoa
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[05:28] <Ryulong> they're still over 24 hours away
�06[05:28] * bobrayner sighs
[05:28] <Sp33dyphil> darkfalls: which city are you from?
[05:28] <darkfalls> Syd
[05:29] <Sp33dyphil> :P
[05:29] <Sp33dyphil> Melb's better
[05:29] <Sp33dyphil> Screw Sydney
[05:29] <bobrayner> there's been a request for an ambassador in Australia, in case you'd consider helping on that front...
[05:29] <darkfalls> Melb likes AFL... It has no credibility
[05:29] <Sp33dyphil> hi bobrayner
[05:29] <Sp33dyphil> long time no see
[05:29] <bobrayner> hej :-)
[05:29] <bobrayner> how's it going?
[05:29] <Sp33dyphil> what brought you here?
[05:29] <LauraHale> American Samoa had the tsunami two years ago
[05:29] <Sp33dyphil> all right
[05:30] <Sp33dyphil> have to go to CBD in a few mins
[05:30] <LauraHale> Melbourne invented Aussie rules
[05:30] <LauraHale> They also produce better cricketers.
[05:30] <Sp33dyphil> bobrayner: Boeing 767 is at FAC
[05:30] <Sp33dyphil> really?
[05:30] <Sp33dyphil> wasn't aware of that
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[05:30] <bobrayner> aha. Will have a look. You're still on a mission to get aircraft articles to the top of the quality ladder? :-)
[05:31] <Sp33dyphil> darkfalls: Sydneysiders play imported sports :P
[05:31] <darkfalls> Sp33dyphil: Because imported sports are better, obviously.
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[05:31] <Sp33dyphil> bobrayner: if you can call http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_K-114_Tula aircraft, yes
[05:31] <LauraHale> Nah, the Queenslanders play them better.
[05:31] <darkfalls> How do you compare soccer to AFL?
[05:31] <LauraHale> They do better at Union and League in the QLD
[05:32] <Ryulong> Laura, speedy, dark
[05:32] <Ryulong> am I being too blunt here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CAWylie#WP:AN
[05:32] <Sp33dyphil> AFL is invading NSW and QLD, hahaha
[05:32] <Ryulong> and here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Articles_Name_Change_Request.
[05:32] <Ryulong> mind you he has put a period at the end of his section title so that last link might nto work
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[05:33] <LauraHale> AFL will take over NSW and QLD
[05:33] <Sp33dyphil> Ryulong: firm, but not unreasonable
[05:33] <Sp33dyphil> make it up to them
[05:33] <bobrayner> There was a russian idiom: "Like taking samovars to tula". It's the equivalent of "Taking coals to newcastle" or "selling sand to the Arabs".
[05:33] <Ryulong> will an administrator tell this person that WP:AN is not the board to write to
[05:33] <Ryulong> concerning his page moves
[05:33] <Sp33dyphil> bobrayner: how are you?
[05:34] <bobrayner> fine, now that I'm hanging out on irc again with all the cool people ;-)
[05:34] <Sp33dyphil> yeah?
[05:34] <darkfalls> Ryulong: You need to learn subtlety
[05:34] <Sp33dyphil> haven't seen you for a long time
[05:34] <Ryulong> subtlety is for people who want to be admin again
[05:34] <Ryulong> (´；ω；`)
[05:34] <bobrayner> sorry, very busy at work. Really intense 14-week contract.
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[05:35] <Sp33dyphil> DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE ANY NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS
[05:35] <darkfalls> yes
[05:35] <bobrayner> Looking for new work now so I have time on my hands to write obscure articles that nobody else will read :-)
[05:35] <Ryulong> 1. kick sp33dyphil in balls
[05:35] <darkfalls> lol
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[05:36] <bobrayner> 2. See if it's possible to fit 30 articles in a single DYK hook...
[05:36] <Ryulong> no
[05:36] <Ryulong> 2. repeat #1 until scrotum is thoroughly inverted
[05:36] <Sp33dyphil> lucky i have balls of steel :P
[05:36] <darkfalls> crude.
[05:37] <darkfalls> Balls of steel theoretically makes you unable to copulate
[05:37] <LauraHale> Don't try record setting DYK hooks.  It is just asking for getting merge proposals.
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[05:37] <LauraHale> steel copulation is called recycling.
[05:37] <Sp33dyphil> smaller carbon footprint ;)
[05:37] <darkfalls> LOL
[05:38] <Sp33dyphil> gotta go now
[05:38] <darkfalls> "Hey baby.. Wanna come to my place so we can... recycle"
[05:38] <Sp33dyphil> LauraHale: stay awak, it
[05:38] <darkfalls> *bats eyelashes*
[05:38] <Sp33dyphil> is on 2 hrs away
�06[05:38] * LauraHale is trying
[05:38] <Sp33dyphil> lol
[05:39] <darkfalls> I wonder if someone's ever got laid by saying that
[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> cya 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <bobrayner> So far my frenzy of obscure Ottoman taxation articles has escaped merging, but I shall bear that advice in mind, thanks
[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> come and get me
[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> :P
[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <darkfalls> goodbye
[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <bobrayner> have a good one
[05:40] <slakr> wtf Sp33dyphil
�06[05:40] * darkfalls kicks Sp33dyphil out of the channel
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[05:40] <Ryulong> fucking Chathams
[05:40] <Ryulong> with their snooty 45 minute offset
[05:42] <Ryulong> sp33dyphil he's bitching at me for saying "get off your ass"
[05:43] <Ryulong> why do I find the prudes
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[05:44] <Ryulong> well
[05:44] <Ryulong> darkfalls
[05:44] <Ryulong> and LauraHale
[05:44] <Ryulong> I have a feeling I should not respond to this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACAWylie&action=historysubmit&diff=468753596&oldid=468753001
[05:45] <LauraHale> hm?
[05:45] <darkfalls> Ryulong: That feeling seems to be correct
[05:45] <LauraHale> Best to ignore. : /
[05:46] <Ryulong> where do all these people come from
[05:46] <bobrayner> "get off your ass" &c is perhaps a little firm as a response to a well-intentioned newbie.
[05:46] <bobrayner> new editors are the future of wikipedia.
[05:47] <Ryulong> I could have said "do it your-fucking-self, bitch"
�06[05:47] * darkfalls hits his head on the desk, repeatedly
[05:47] <bobrayner> there are a hundred things you could have said. Some more helpful, some less helpful. ;-)
[05:47] <Ryulong> Yes
[05:48] <Ryulong> And this is why I am not going for another RFA any time soon
�06[05:48] * darkfalls continues to hit his head on the desk
[05:49] <jubo2> "To fondue or not to fondue?" is not the question, of course you fondue ..
[05:49] <Ryulong> I hope to emboss some sort of logo into darkfalls' forehead by the time the new year comes to Auckland
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[05:50] <darkfalls> At the rate you're going, that's not gonna be hard
[05:50] <darkfalls> I'll have severe brain damage once New Years comes to Sydney
[05:50] <Ryulong> watch as I ignore all advice and my own intuition as I respond to him
�06[05:51] * darkfalls sighs
�06[05:51] * darkfalls goes out drinking.
[05:52] <darkfalls> Ryulong: Don't make me fucking drink vodka :/
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[05:53] <Ryulong> Absolut or Svedka
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[05:53] <darkfalls> I hate vodka
[05:53] <darkfalls> ghastly stuff
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[05:54] <Ryulong> you know what you could do?
[05:54] <Ryulong> vote delete on the floppy penis gif on the commons
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[05:55] <darkfalls> eh no.
[05:55] <Ryulong> and my response has been posted http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACAWylie&action=historysubmit&diff=468754878&oldid=468753596
[05:55] <darkfalls> The censorship debate is still going on?
[05:55] <Ryulong> yes
[05:55] <darkfalls> it's been like 3 fucking years
[05:56] <Ryulong> >You have new messages (last change).
[05:56] <Ryulong> hmm
[05:56] <darkfalls> oh dear.
[05:56] <darkfalls> hah, I got desysopped from Commons
[05:57] <darkfalls> kinda expected, since I haven't edited there in 2 years
�06[05:57] * bobrayner sighs
[06:00] <Ryulong> I don't think that this is allowed on the commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tom-Jerry_store.jpg
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[06:01] <darkfalls> wiki's slow for me atm
[06:01] <darkfalls> and no, it's not allowed probably
[06:01] <darkfalls> the subject/focal point is copyrighted
[06:02] <bobrayner> is off. Things to do, people to see, desks to bang my head against...
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[06:02] <Ryulong> hold on
[06:03] <Ryulong> what about this one http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PantaloonsSouth.jpg
[06:04] <darkfalls> seems to be common typography
[06:04] <darkfalls> which can't be copyright
[06:05] <darkfalls> but it's borderline
[06:05] <Ryulong> it's a storefront in a Kolkata mall
[06:06] <darkfalls> If the logo itself can be copyright, it can be considered a derivative work
[06:07] <darkfalls> so idk
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[06:08] <darkfalls> copyright is a pain in the ass
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[06:11] <darkfalls> in other news, ma go to a new years party in 20 minutes time
[06:11] <darkfalls> epic win.
[06:14] <Ryulong> before you go
[06:14] <Ryulong> have a look at this http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3ADeletion_requests%2FFile%3ASlow-motion-bouncing-penis.gif&action=historysubmit&diff=64624291&oldid=64572445
[06:18] <darkfalls> "My opinion is that this short clip has educational value as it intuitively demonstrates the flexibility and mass of an erect human penis."
�06[06:18] * darkfalls is laughing so hard right now
[06:19] <darkfalls> no offence to Fae of course >_>
[06:20] <darkfalls> Ryulong: It's gonna be deleted, relax
[06:21] <darkfalls> anyway im gonna have to be going
[06:21] <Ryulong> but darkfalls
[06:21] <darkfalls> mm?
[06:21] <Ryulong> the photo of the man with a zucchini shoved far into his rectum was not deleted
[06:21] <darkfalls> umm awkward
�06[06:21] * darkfalls kicks himself for not closing the browser earlier
[06:22] <darkfalls> umm, laters :)
[06:22] <darkfalls> time to parteeeeeey
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[06:22] <Ryulong> and the 4 photos of a different man who had inserted a dildo into his ass are... well they're still on the chopping block
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[06:27] <Steven_Zhang_> Ello
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[07:08] <Qcoder00> Admin requested
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[07:20] <lapompo> Why do Mormons never mission in their own country? Wouldn't it be best for them to be (reasonably) locally? As in, trust no strangers, they look like us, etc., blabla... And of course not having to learn a foreign country and culture fluently.
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[07:26] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Bsr&diff=next&oldid=468370709 - Was this disscussed?
[07:26] <Qcoder00> Fastily seems to want to steam-roller deletion of a LOT of images
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[07:36] <Jeff_G> Use the "RD" portion of "BRD".
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[08:35] <Abhi> विकीपीडिया
[08:38] <Rcssprinter> pardon?
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[09:12] <jeblad> Seems like one of my old accounts still are blocked several years after I've used a pesky virus-infected machine. Anyone that can unblock me? =) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Agtfjott
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[09:12] <jeblad> The account isn't used anymore, I only use the nick jeblad.
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[09:13] <Plimblip> Would someone kindly investigate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeath#In_science
[09:13] <Plimblip> Moreover, add citations if there are any, or just deal with it in the best way.
[09:13] <jeblad> wee Zombies! =)
[09:22] <jeblad> Seems like one of my old accounts still are blocked several years after I've used a pesky virus-infected machine. Anyone that can unblock me?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Agtfjott
[09:25] <jeblad> Is there anyone alive in this channel?
[09:25] <Plimblip> maybe try !admin or !ops
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[09:26] <Plimblip> foks: help jeblad.
[09:26] <Plimblip> Moreover, please investigate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeath#In_science
[09:26] <foks> ?
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[09:27] <Plimblip> foks:  <jeblad> Seems like one of my old accounts still are blocked several years after I've used a pesky virus-infected machine. Anyone that can unblock me?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Agtfjott [08:25] <jeblad> Is there anyone alive in this channel?
[09:28] <jeblad> There is also an autoblock
[09:28] <jeblad> Its set on jeblad
[09:28] <foks> Uh, any idea why you're throwing stuff at me?
[09:29] <foks> jeblad, please file an unblock request.
[09:29] <jeblad> an unblock request on an set autoblock?
[09:30] <foks> Ah. Follow the instructions at http://enwp.org/Template:Autoblock
[09:30] <foks> Thanks
[09:30] <jeblad> No wonder people have communication problem at wikipedia
[09:30] <foks> If you say so.
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[09:30] <foks> Now, Plimblip, what on earth is undeath
[09:31] <foks> Please let it be a B-movie zombie flick
[09:31] <TBloemink> XD
[09:31] <jeblad> why bother
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[09:32] <foks> Right ok.
[09:32] <foks> Remind me not to bother helping folk seeking unblocks
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[09:33] <Sp33dyphil> hi foks
[09:33] <Sp33dyphil> haven't seen you since last year
[09:33] <Qcoder00> Right
[09:33] <foks> haha
[09:33] <foks> It's 22.33 here
[09:33] <Qcoder00> Anyone here whose over 21 want to do a taks which people will yell at you for?
�06[09:34] * Sp33dyphil forget to set his camera to "video" mode, so he could only get half of the fireworks :P
[09:34] <foks> Not over 21 unfortunately
[09:34] <foks> woops :P
[09:34] <Plimblip> Undeath is what you deal with a lot of if you play [[Dead Island]] and other zombie hits
[09:34] <Plimblip> Ironically zombies are out and about in the daytime in Dead Island; they seemed to be a nightly thing before
[09:35] <Sp33dyphil> foks: that was on purpose right?
�06[09:35] * Sp33dyphil Steven Zhang
[09:35] <Sp33dyphil> *pings
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[09:36] <Sp33dyphil> is everyone in the US awake ATM?
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[09:36] <foks> Sp33dyphil, ?
[09:36] <foks> :D
[09:36] <Sp33dyphil> hi TParis
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[09:36] <TParis> Hey
[09:37] <foks> Dead Island looks awful :(
[09:37] <Sp33dyphil> is it 2012 where u r?
[09:37] <foks> But then I dislike zombie games so
[09:38] <Sp33dyphil> TParis: is it 2012 where u r?
[09:38] <TParis> Not yet
[09:38] <TParis> Got 14 more hours
[09:38] <TBloemink> its 3:38 PM
[09:38] <TBloemink> where I am
[09:38] <TParis> Just work up on the 31st
[09:38] <TParis> 8:38am here
[09:38] <Sp33dyphil> NY?
[09:38] <TParis> Texas
[09:39] <TParis> Heim should be in 2012 already
[09:39] <Sp33dyphil> with all their wealth, how come there hasn't been any worthwhile fireworks from the US?
[09:39] <Sp33dyphil> or have I been living under a rock?
[09:39] <TParis> Generally, fireworks are banned in most southern states because its so dry
[09:39] <Qcoder00> And for 'security'
[09:39] <TParis> Too many drunk rednecks starting grass fires
[09:39] <Sp33dyphil> yeah?
[09:40] <Sp33dyphil> what a pity
[09:40] <Sp33dyphil> does LA put on a show?
[09:40] <TParis> I'd think so
[09:40] <TParis> I know my city does
[09:40] <Qcoder00> Also there's been calls for band on fireworks here in the UK , because of the dirsuption they cause to 'avation'
[09:40] <TParis> But I'm not going down town
[09:40] <TParis> Are any pilots calling for a ban?
[09:41] <TParis> Or is it all dumbass activists who don't know shit about flying?
[09:41] <Qcoder00> Mostly it seems to be Daily Wail readers...
[09:42] <Sp33dyphil> geez, it's 1:41 where I am -- should be snoozin atm
[09:42] <Sp33dyphil> Anybody with NY resolutions for WP?
[09:43] <Sp33dyphil> Number of GAs, more vandalism fighting, etc?
[09:43] <TParis> Ban all the trolls
[09:43] <Sp33dyphil> very conservative :P
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[09:44] <Qcoder00> OK
[09:44] <Qcoder00> I'd like an opinion
[09:45] <Qcoder00> TFD on {{badimage}} ?
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[09:47] <Qcoder00> My contention is that with changes in MediaWiki, {{badimage}} could be handlled in a much better way
[09:47] <Qcoder00> Without needing a specific template/ porn list
[09:47] <Sp33dyphil> first YT clip about Melb's fireworks ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgyoCUDe8XY
[09:50] <Sp33dyphil> TParis: wow, you're a Staff Sergeant
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[09:51] <Sp33dyphil> wsup wctaiwan
[09:51] <wctaiwan> not much
[09:51] <wctaiwan> new year in an hour or so
[09:51] <wctaiwan> like it'd make a dramatic difference.
[09:51] <Sp33dyphil> that's not the real one
[09:51] <wctaiwan> hm?
[09:52] <Sp33dyphil> the real one comes in a month of somethin, right? Lunar/Chinese/Vietnames/blah blah New Year?
[09:52] <Sp33dyphil> *Vietnamese
[09:52] <wctaiwan> er, solar / lunar calendars. Both are real new years.
[09:53] <Sp33dyphil> the real ones for the Chinese/Taiwanese, whatever you prefer
[09:53] <wctaiwan> though we do get an extended break to go with the latter, while this one is mostly just western-style countdown and fireworks and stuff.
[09:53] <Sp33dyphil> yeah?
[09:54] <wctaiwan> We *do* primarily use the gregorian calendar (with our own year numbering mixed with the..whatever you call it, granted)
[09:56] <TParis> Yeah, I'm a SSgt
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[10:46] <nprice> Happy Hogmanay
[10:48] <Mono> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAIEamakLoY
[10:48] <Mono> and Twitter is down.
[10:49] <nprice> RIP
[10:49] <Mono> really quite the year
[10:50] <Mono> not exactly how I would have positioned the events with regard to importance, but nicely done
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[10:51] <KimiSleep> that's disgusting Mono
[10:51] <Mono> KimiSleep: what?
[10:51] <KimiSleep> the video
[10:51] <Mono> oh well
[10:51] <KimiSleep> So much Web 2.0 I could throw up
[10:51] <Mono> the shameless promotion of Google is silly.
[10:51] <Mono> (I agree)
[10:52] <KimiSleep> "we made it"
[10:52] <KimiSleep> wut
[10:53] <KimiSleep> the fuck is that supposed to mean
[10:57] <tommorris> oh god - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America_%2822nd_nomination%29
[10:57] <wctaiwan> ....
[10:57] <wctaiwan> wow.
[10:58] <wctaiwan> that's a pointy nom if there ever was one...
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[11:04] <wctaiwan> happy new year GMT+8ers
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[11:44] <Alpha_Quadrant> Is an admin around?
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[11:44] <PeterSymonds> Perhaps.
[11:46] <Alpha_Quadrant> the German Reference Desk troll is back
[11:46] <Alpha_Quadrant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RDTROLL
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[11:46] <Alpha_Quadrant> currently as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.61.131.15
[11:47] <Alpha_Quadrant> he IP hopped his one month block
[11:47] <Alpha_Quadrant> PeterSymonds: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.62.204.7
[11:48] <PeterSymonds> Done.
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[11:48] <Peter-C> Rave at the hostel :O
[11:48] <Peter-C> derp|party is organizing it!
[11:49] <GorillaWarfare> Oh dear
[11:49] <PeterSymonds> Poor hostel.
[11:49] <Peter-C> why PeterSymonds?
[11:49] <PeterSymonds> I'd feel sorry for any party at which derp is the chief organiser. ;-p
[11:50] <Peter-C> :P
[11:51] <GorillaWarfare> On second thought... video games
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[11:54] <Peter-C> Hey, you guys know stuff
[11:54] <Peter-C> What is that thing that is a small portion of a server?
[11:54] <Peter-C> And you can run it off a cmd prompt?
[11:54] <TParis> shell?
[11:55] <Peter-C> You get a shell from it IIRC
[11:55] <Peter-C> It basicly runs like a deticated server, but it is onl a small portion of it
[11:55] <Peter-C> VPS!
[11:55] <TParis> virtualizatio?
[11:56] <TParis> Virtual servers are not always small.
[11:56] <TParis> Really, only in the case of web servers
[11:56] <wctaiwan> you can also get a shell from shared hosting
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[11:57] <wctaiwan> they are ridiculous
[11:57] <Peter-C> WTF happened, they were cheaper a year ago
[11:57] <wctaiwan> Peter-C: try linode for me.
[11:57] <wctaiwan> I've always wondered about them but never wanted to throw money at something I don't need :P
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[11:58] <Peter-C> What does a VPS do?
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[11:59] <Peter-C> Just a small version of a deticated server, right?
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[12:02] <wctaiwan> [[Virtual private server]]
[12:02] <wctaiwan> enjoy your reading, Peter-C :P
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[12:02] <TParis> Peter-C: VPS is a dedicated server that is running on the same physical hardware as other dedicated servers
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[12:03] <TParis> Generally, if you have 8 processors on a dedicated server, you might divvy out 1 each to 6 private servers and retain 2 for the operating system
[12:03] <Peter-C> Now what about a cloud server?
[12:03] <TParis> The servers are logically separate but physically together
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[12:04] <TParis> A cloud server is a virtual server on a whole other level.  In a cloud enviroment, virtual servers can be moved, expanded, reduced, and duplicated on the fly by software to handle requirements.
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[12:05] <wctaiwan> does cloud actually have any technical meaning?
[12:05] <tommorris> no
[12:05] <TParis> Clouds enjoy a ton of redundancy
[12:05] <TParis> wctaiwan: yes
[12:05] <wctaiwan> tommorris: I read your post, largely agree with it :P
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[12:05] <wctaiwan> TParis seems to be getting at something though, so I'm curious.
[12:05] <tommorris> "cloud" is management-speak for "on the Internet"
[12:05] <wctaiwan> TParis: what makes a cloud different from a regular cluster of servers?
[12:06] <TParis> wctaiwan: I went to a few speeches on cloud servers at an Air Force Innovation in Technology Conference in Mississippi a few months ago
[12:06] <tommorris> or it might mean "web apps" or it might mean "virtualized servers".
[12:06] <TParis> A cloud server can recognize problems and redirect traffic, storage, and an operating system on the fly w/o user intervention accross geographic clusters
[12:06] <tommorris> all of those things are good, but the word cloud seems to mean all of them
[12:07] <TParis> Hold on, I'll see if I can find the graphic Cisco showed us
[12:07] <tommorris> apparently, if you have your email on Gmail, you have your email "in the cloud", but if you use AOL mail, it's NOT in the cloud.
[12:07] <Peter-C> What is better to use in your opinion?
[12:07] <wctaiwan> tommorris: you
[12:07] <tommorris> if you run virtualization and load balancing stuff on Amazon Web Services, it's in the cloud. if you run it on your own servers, it's a "private cloud"
[12:07] <wctaiwan> you're talking on the cloud right now :P
[12:08] <TParis> Tomorris: A cloud is more than just load balancing
[12:08] <wctaiwan> (and really, IRC networks are probably clouds based on what TParis is saying.. redundancy, redirection and all)
[12:08] <TParis> Load balancing requires servers to be running concurrently
[12:08] <tommorris> as Larry Ellison said, you can just take the word "web" or "Internet" and call it a cloud.
[12:08] <tommorris> the term adds no useful information to any technical discussion, it just impresses guys in suits
[12:08] <TParis> A cloud literally turns off a virtual server on one cluster, and activates it in another cluster...with all the load balancing ect ect
[12:08] <wctaiwan> Peter-C: depends on your needs... if you want to run a blog, shared hosting should be plenty until you actually take off...
[12:09] <wctaiwan> my shared hosting webhost does give me SSH access.
[12:09] <wctaiwan> though at $25/yr for the whole package they warned me not to run too much stuff with it :P
[12:09] <tommorris> I dunno, you can use some of the so-called 'cloud' hosts for blogging etc. just fine
[12:09] <tommorris> in fact, they end up costing you nothing
[12:09] <tommorris> but it requires a bit more brains to use something like Heroku than your average shared hosting system
[12:10] <tommorris> also, I'm a big fan of Amazon Beanstalk.
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[12:11] <TParis> I cant find the graphic I want.  But picture it this way:  Load balancing requires the server administrator to define the characteristics of the server.  A cloud enviroment is aware of it's resources and aware of each server's requirements and can adjust on the fly without intervention to meet demands.
[12:12] <tommorris> So... automatic load balancing then. ;-)
[12:13] <tommorris> The phrase "automatic load balancing" actually tells me what it is. "Cloud" doesn't.
[12:13] <FT2> so its an automated management, fallover, failover, load balancing, matchng-demand-to-resources, supervisor
[12:13] <TParis> More than just load balancing.  Like I said, it can literally move a server accross the country without anyone's help
[12:13] <FT2> ie, abstracts the issue of "we get these demands, and we have these servers and resources available now, to meet them"
[12:13] <TParis> Not just the virtualized server, but the data and all the characteristics of it too.
[12:14] <TParis> So if it moves a clustered sql server, then the new server on the other side is not clustered.
[12:14] <TParis> FT2 - You're getting there.
[12:15] <TParis> It basically changes how you look at Virtual servers.
[12:15] <wctaiwan> ooh abstraction. I sure appreciate how my computer abstracts all the circuits for me.
[12:15] <tommorris> here's the problem. if I'm going to spend time or money on something like this, telling me it's "cloud" when people are also telling me that "cloud" is what gives me my emails is profoundly deceptive and bullshitty.
[12:15] <TParis> You're no longer constrained by physical hardware.  You look at your logical resources instead of your physical resources.
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[12:16] <TParis> Tommorris: The problem is that the untechnical meaning of "cloud" is synonymous with "internet".  The technical meaning of cloud is much larger.
[12:16] <wctaiwan> tommorris: If they concretely define cloud I don't really see a problem with it. That's like saying a site shouldn't claim HTML5 compliance because W3C hijacked the term until it was meaningless.
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[12:16] <FT2> I'd side with tom morris, it needs to be made much more specific. "cloud" isn't magic pixie dust, its a set of functionalities, methods, aims, and so on, those need specifying beforee one can go "oh that's sensible"
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[12:17] <wctaiwan> though I'm not sure whether the marketing or technical aspect of 'cloud' came first.
[12:17] <TParis> Anyway, the only people who should be worried about cloud technology are the major service providers.  People like us will never need to know what a cloud is or if we're using one.
[12:17] <wctaiwan> (you can blame Apple for half of that too)
[12:17] <tommorris> wctaiwan: to be fair, the W3C were the least guilty in the HTML5 thing. Apple/Google and a shit ton of web developers who started referring to everything as HTML5 is the problem
[12:17] <tommorris> also, "HTML5 compliant" - yeah, why bother claiming you are compliant
[12:17] <tommorris> nobody cares
[12:17] <wctaiwan> what? No they didn't.
[12:17] <tommorris> you either provide some useful functionality
[12:17] <tommorris> or you don't
[12:18] <tommorris> that it uses a set of common APIs that people call HTML5 is not interesting to anyone other than geeks
[12:18] <wctaiwan> the webkit team explicitly meant the specs when they use the term HTML5. It's mostly the SEO people.
[12:18] <tommorris> I mean, saying your website is HTML5 is like saying your software is written in C++. okay, great, nobody cares.
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[12:18] <tommorris> and given that one of the explicit design goals of HTML5 is backwards compatibility, technically everything that vaguely looks like HTML is HTML5.
[12:19] <tommorris> the proper term for HTML5 is "HTML"
[12:19] <tommorris> you can omit the 5
[12:19] <wctaiwan> That's WHATWG's take.
[12:19] <tommorris> it's just marketing these days
[12:19] <tommorris> and the appropriate thing to do with marketing people is to kick them repeatedly in the head until they fall unconscious
[12:20] <wctaiwan> and sad that it is. The whole plugin bullshit shows why standards are important.
[12:20] <Ironholds> tommorris: unconscious? pussy.
[12:20] <tommorris> Ironholds: I didn't say what you do next
[12:20] <Ironholds> shove a small lump of semtex up their arse
[12:20] <tommorris> actually, no point them being unconcious. their useful role in carbon monoxide exposure testing won't be nearly as much fun if they aren't conscious
[12:21] <wctaiwan> tommorris: if people didn't care about standards, only features, then we'd be back to Flash and <embed> and <object> and ActiveX
[12:21] <wctaiwan> I don't think that's the route we want to take.
[12:21] <tommorris> but that's the point. there is no HTML5 compliance
[12:21] <tommorris> they've explicitly removed normative requirements from HTML
[12:22] <tommorris> yes, you shouldn't use Flash and ActiveX and all that crap
[12:22] <tommorris> but you shouldn't use those even before "HTML5"
[12:22] <wctaiwan> HTML5 offers a set of APIs, if you will, that browser vendors should implement.
[12:22] <tommorris> they were shitty and annoying under HTML 4. and 3.2. and 2. and HTML ISO
[12:22] <tommorris> and XHTML 1.0 and 1.1
[12:23] <wctaiwan> to say your site is HTML(5)-compliant is saying you believe that ideology is sound, that we should have a set of standards by which vendors and developers build the web.
[12:23] <tommorris> You can be HTML5 compliant now by doing the following
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[12:23] <wctaiwan> instead of using whatever achieves the desired effects.
[12:23] <tommorris> change the doctype to <!DOCTYPE html>
[12:23] <tommorris> done
[12:23] <wctaiwan> I thought they deprecated a few tags as well?
[12:23] <tommorris> congratulations, go get a free blowjob from venture capitalists because you are using HTML5 now!
[12:23] <tommorris> wctaiwan: yes, but they have provided fallbacks in the spec
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[12:24] <wctaiwan> and again, what you're saying is a sign of the term HTML5 being hijacked. Like I said, SEO people.
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[12:25] <tommorris> speaking of SEO people, has anyone yet managed to produce a microwave gun so I can zap SEO consultants in the balls with it
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[12:27] <wctaiwan> happy new year foks.
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[12:27] <foks> And you :)
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[12:29] <tommorris> someone has just been spamming a blog post I was reading. I was just going to flag it in the comments, but... they've been naughty and infringed on a Wikimedia Foundation trademark.
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[12:30] <tommorris> time to set the lawyers on them
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[12:36] <foks> tommorris, lol
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[12:42] <tommorris> here's a question: is there any place (meta? outreach?) where we should point people who are thinking about doing some kind of wikimedia educational project
[12:42] <Peter-C> TParis - how do you name servers?
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[12:43] <lapompo> Hudson Bay is way larger than Baltic Sea, yet is called a "bay" when Baltic Sea is called an "inner ocean"... Odd?
�06[12:43] * tommorris uses names of philosophers and scientists to name servers personally
[12:43] <tommorris> language is strange, lapompo ;-)
[12:43] <wctaiwan> my MacBook is called "MacBook", my iPod touch is called "iPod", my iMac is called "iMac", my X220i is called "X220i" ;-)
[12:44] <wctaiwan> anyway, bedtime
[12:44] <tommorris> my MacBook is called ricoeur
[12:44] <tommorris> after [[Paul Ricoeur]]
[12:44] <TParis> Peter-C: What do you mean?
[12:44] <wctaiwan> (my macbook is also pretty much broken, thus the two laptops on the list, fwiw)
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[12:45] <TParis> Peter-C: Do you mean nameservers as a type of server or do you mean how do you "name" a server as in give it a designation?
[12:45] <Peter-C> TParis - in the real world, how are servers named?
[12:45] <Peter-C> either or
[12:45] <TParis> Like a www.mywebsite.com address?
[12:46] <tommorris> Ironholds: does the Foundation have an education person? as in, someone university professors can talk to.
[12:46] <TParis> tommorris: There is a person who runs the Ambassador program
[12:46] <Peter-C> like this http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_roles
[12:46] <TParis> I can find their name
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[12:47] <TParis> Peter-C: Someone gets really drunk, spins 10 types, and the first word they can come up with becomes the server name
[12:47] <TParis> times*
[12:47] <Peter-C> O_o
[12:47] <Peter-C> Will you be at Wikimania?
[12:47] <TParis> haha no
[12:47] <Peter-C> D:
[12:47] <TParis> Why, you wanted me to name your server?
[12:48] <Peter-C> I already have a name for my server :PO
[12:48] <Peter-C> *:P
[12:48] <TParis> Folks literally just pick a name
[12:48] <KimiSleep> is it Bob
[12:48] <TParis> I know of one server farm that uses Greek gods as their server names
[12:48] <Peter-C> himalia
[12:48] <Peter-C> ^my bad ass server name
[12:48] <KimiSleep> We always have themes for server names
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[12:49] <KimiSleep> A subtheme is that systems with latin or greek (or whatever) names run on servers with their english names
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[12:50] <Peter-C> TParis - is BF3 anything like what they thought you in the air force!
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[12:51] <TParis> Peter-C: You wanna rephrase that one?
[12:51] <Peter-C> Erm
[12:51] <Peter-C> Ah
[12:51] <Peter-C> Erm
[12:51] <KimiSleep> hey um
[12:51] <Peter-C> No?
[12:51] <KimiSleep> very random question
[12:51] <KimiSleep> I need to find a song
[12:51] <Peter-C> Gfoley4 :3
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[12:51] <KimiSleep> as popular as you can
[12:51] <Gfoley4> yallo
[12:51] <KimiSleep> that has in its lyrics something like "take two steps to the right"
[12:51] <Peter-C> TParis - Have you ever played ARMA2?
[12:52] <KimiSleep> basically, it needs to have "take n [movement] to the [direction]" or something similar
[12:52] <TParis> nope
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[12:52] <Peter-C> Play it! You would love it!
[12:52] <Peter-C> It is like a war simulator!
[12:52] <KimiSleep> TParis was in the air force? which?
[12:52] <Peter-C> *is in
[12:53] <KimiSleep> Anyway: song anyone?
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[12:53] <Peter-C> KimiSleep - are you still in the intelegence service
[12:53] <KimiSleep> Yes, only spelt correctly
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[13:02] <Tanvir> Happy New Year From UTC+06:00
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[13:05] <Ironholds> tommorris: explain?
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[13:15] <tommorris> Ironholds: scenario - I'm Professor of Suchandsuch at Somewhere University, I'd like to have my students do X to Wikimedia project Y, where do I ask for information on-wiki
[13:16] <Ironholds> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects
[13:16] <tommorris> "Wikimedia project Y" != Wikipedia. ;-)
[13:16] <tommorris> or coul require cross-project coordination
[13:16] <tommorris> like if you had a group who wanted to work on images
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[13:17] <tommorris> or, god forbid, someone might actually do something radical like use Wikiversity for developing open educational resources rather than trolling
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[13:18] <tommorris> hey Fluffernutter
[13:18] <tommorris> enjoying life inside the Tardis?
[13:18] <Fluffernutter> muddles time, a bit
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[13:19] <ewvaqtn> HAPPY NEW YEARS MOTHERFUCKERS!
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[13:19] <Fluffernutter> bit early for that sort of thing
[13:19] <tommorris> delightful
[13:19] <tommorris> depends
[13:19] <tommorris> in asia, it's 2012 already
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[13:20] <tommorris> that said, in japan, they've been living in the future for ages now
[13:20] <Fluffernutter> true enough
[13:20] <tommorris> and South Korea too
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[13:20] <The359> Then where's my flying car?
[13:21] <tommorris> the flying car has been cancelled, but you will be getting a society where you can spend your life playing video games
[13:21] <Fluffernutter> "be getting"?
[13:21] <foks> Aw sweet.
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[13:22] <tommorris> just wait until they come up with the app to gamify artificial plant production and you'll all be fine
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[13:23] <Mono> does anyone know how that fundraiser is going?
[13:24] <tommorris> they are over $20 million
[13:24] <tommorris> but the FundraiserStatistics page underestimates the total
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[13:24] <Hurricanefan25> LISTEN
[13:24] <Hurricanefan25> >:(
[13:24] <tommorris> FundraiserStatistics says $19.574 million, but a few weeks ago, the Foundation announced they hit $20m already
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[13:25] <Mono> They seem rather desperate - http://awesomescreenshot.com/00er391e8
[13:25] <tommorris> so, I'm guessing it's probably $23 or $24 million
[13:25] <Mono> it fades, blinks, scrolls and everything
[13:26] <tommorris> I'm hoping next year, they spread the fundraiser out. have fundraiser days, one a month or something.
[13:26] <Hurricanefan25> adsfdsgdfgfd
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[13:26] <Hurricanefan25> >:(
[13:26] <tommorris> nice. one of the comments on the EasyList blog post...
[13:26] <tommorris> "Fuck them! They have become nothing but a propaganda site for the narrow delusional world views of uneducated egomaniacs who sit in their basement all day long but think they are the only ones with the right to define what is reality. They must go broke!"
[13:27] <Hurricanefan25> Vandalism is defined as "is any addition, removal, or change of content in a *deliberate* attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia"
[13:28] <Gfoley4> calm down
[13:28] <Gfoley4> also, why are you mass-reverting on people's talk pages?
[13:28] <Hurricanefan25> >:(
[13:29] <Hurricanefan25> I ghav an epxmaltion
[13:29] <Hurricanefan25> thohgh they didn'tn adu
[13:29] <Hurricanefan25> >:(
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[13:29] <Gfoley4> O_o
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[13:48] <ALONE_MALE> I'm alone :(
[13:48] <jeremyb> ok?
[13:48] <jeremyb> can you maybe /nick to lowercase?
[13:48] <ALONE_MALE> Forever alone!
[13:48] <ALONE_MALE> :(
[13:49] <ALONE_MALE> I'm thinking of jumping over a bridge.
[13:49] <foks> Kindly /nick to lowercase.
[13:49] <jeremyb> i'm thinking why tell me?
[13:49] <foks> and/or call the samaritans
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[13:50] <ALONE_MALE> foks, will you be my lifesaver?
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[13:50] <foks> Depends. Will you go lowercase?
[13:50] <ALONE_MALE> yes
[13:50] <ALONE_MALE> but first
[13:50] <ALONE_MALE> since you're my lifesaver, give me a lifesaver.
[13:51] <ALONE_MALE> the yellow kind.
[13:51] <foks> Oh, fine.
[13:51] <foks> I only have one.
[13:51] <ALONE_MALE> the hole in it is small enough to fuck your dick with.
[13:52] <foks> aww.
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[13:52] <foks> That's what all the guys say. :(
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[13:53] <Gfoley4> lol
[13:54] <Thorncrag> Why in the world can't all the stub templates be stub-*  instead of  *-stub
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[13:54] <Gfoley4>  because
[13:54] <TParis> �Thorncrag: That would make searching too easy
[13:54] <foks> Duh.
[13:54] <Thorncrag> I know right? ARGH!
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[13:56] <Gfoley4> ;\
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[13:56] <lia> Peter-C, will you have pure sex with me?
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[13:57] <Peter-C> O_o
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[13:57] <Pilif12p> is that a script of some sort?
[13:57] <Peter-C> so many ops D:
[13:57] <Gfoley4> "pure sex" is different from "sex" fyi
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[13:57] <tutaty> foks, will you have sex with me?
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[13:57] <Pilif12p> tutaty, gtfo
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[13:57] <Peter-C> +r
�03[13:57] * foks sets mode: +r
[13:57] <Peter-C> :3
�03[13:58] * foks sets mode: -o foks
[13:58] <Pilif12p> you could've said yes. maybe it'd make them leave
[13:58] <foks> Keep Calm And /Clear
[13:58] <Pilif12p> ohey now they're pming me
[13:58] <Peter-C> not cary on?
[13:58] <foks> And yes, it's a script.
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[13:58] <Gfoley4> improper capitalization! kick em
[13:58] <foks> Pilif12p, /mode +g if you have to
[13:58] <Thorncrag> Also, I've never been able to find any MOS hints about what heading levels to use
[13:59] <Pilif12p> I'm not sure what that does
[13:59] <Pilif12p> but okay
[13:59] <Peter-C> It sets off a bomb
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[13:59] <Gfoley4> Thorncrag: level 2 for main things, then level 3 for subtopics about that topic
[13:59] <Thorncrag> Gfoley4: Link! :)
[13:59] <Gfoley4> just common usage
[14:00] <Gfoley4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Headings#Section_headings
[14:00] <Thorncrag> I often demote H2's to H3's when they are topics within a biographical article
[14:00] <Thorncrag> but that's just because i prefer not having the HR when the main page title has one… I'm probably wrong on that
[14:01] <tommorris> yes, yes, you are
[14:01] <tommorris> no H3s without H2s ;-)
[14:01] <Thorncrag> I just figure since everything about the person falls within that person it only makes sense
[14:01] <tommorris> but the title is an H1
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[14:01] <Thorncrag> well, someone ought to nuke all my contributions, then
[14:01] <Thorncrag> :D
[14:01] <tommorris> so having third level headings under first level headings without an intermediary second level heading makes no sense, semantically
[14:01] <Thorncrag> I know I know… I just think it /looks/ better
[14:02] <tommorris> how it looks is up to the stylesheet
[14:02] <tommorris> not up to the author
[14:02] <Thorncrag> How do I get in touch with this "stylesheet"? <facetious />
[14:02] <tommorris> lobby the Foundation to change it
[14:02] <tommorris> or find a particularly batshit admin
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[14:03] <tommorris> s/batshit/suicidal/
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[14:03] <Thorncrag> Not to split hairs, but even if you skip over H2, the TOC still recognizes H3 as the next level
[14:04] <tommorris> still not the way to do it
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[14:07] <Ironholds> tommorris: what's up with the TOS?
[14:08] <tommorris> TOS? I'm not sure I said anything was up with the TOS
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[14:09] <Fluffernutter> they canceled it in - what was it '69? - that's what's up with it
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[14:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TOS? The Original Series?
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[14:10] <Fluffernutter> ooh, i got it right, it was 69
[14:10] <Fluffernutter> geek powers, activate!
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[14:10] <TParis> Power of: Pocket Protector
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[15:00] <LauraHale> Moscow is into the new year.
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[15:11] <Fluffernutter> yawnnn
[15:12] <KimiSleep> anyone here used some javascript widget toolkits? I've only ever used jquery ui and I'm wondering if there's anythign better
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[15:22] <Sadeukko> try jquery tools
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[15:23] <LauraHale> Erk.  33 for the high today. :(
[15:23] <TParis> Kimi: scriptalicious
[15:23] <Sadeukko> there's also found dojo interesting
[15:24] <TParis> It's not neccessarily better, but it is another javascript toolkit
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[15:25] <slakr> you know, the whole holiday season has a lot of foreplay, a sudden climax, and a quick departure.
[15:25] <Sadeukko> KimiSleep: I have to agree with TParis, both JQuery Tools and Dojo Toolkit aren't neccessarily better. In my opinion it depends on what you're doing.
[15:26] <SigmaWP> slakr: Poke
[15:27] <Sadeukko> I think that the strong point of the Dojo Toolkit is that it's easy to integrate into Zend PHP Framework and you can work with its data backend and pretty easily do what ever you want.
[15:27] <Sadeukko> http://dojotoolkit.org/
[15:27] <KimiSleep> dojo looks  cool, I was just looking at it
[15:27] <slakr> why are you poking me?
[15:28] <SigmaWP> slakr: Is "*/20 * * * * cronsub -s lowercase_sigmabot python $HOME/pywikipedia/pp-bot.py" supposed to give me error emails every 20 min?
[15:28] <SigmaWP> (even though I'm not using that anymore, but still, I want to know what was wrong with it)
[15:29] <slakr> you're not catching output
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[15:29] <slakr> add >/dev/null 2>&1
[15:30] <KimiSleep> why would he care about catching output in a cron
[15:30] <slakr> because that's what it does
[15:30] <SigmaWP> Ah
[15:31] <slakr> you can also disable it using MAILTO I think
�06[15:31] * slakr doesn't use it himself, tho
[15:33] <SigmaWP> Wow
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[15:34] <SigmaWP> My crontab is being written to /tmp/XXXGGaysSS
[15:34] <SigmaWP> Whoops, stick crontab. before the X
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[15:35] <Earwig> GGaysSS?
[15:35] <SigmaWP> Fittingly, my ssh has "GUYS" in it.
[15:37] <Alpha_Quadrant> Ironholds: Are you around?
[15:37] <KimiSleep> Earwig - Stands for Gay Gays
[15:37] <Ironholds> Alpha_Quadrant: wassup?
[15:37] <Earwig> KimiSleep: as opposed to, y'know, those Straight Gays
[15:38] <Alpha_Quadrant> Ironholds: is there a notability guideline for legislative acts?
[15:39] <KimiSleep> fucking straight gays
[15:39] <KimiSleep> can't make up their mind
[15:39] <slakr> you mean bisexuals?
[15:39] <KimiSleep> no
[15:39] <KimiSleep> that's different
[15:39] <KimiSleep> they've made up their mind
[15:40] <slakr> so then what's a straight gay?
[15:40] <Ironholds> Alpha_Quadrant: ...no? far too minor.
[15:40] <Earwig> I was making fun of "Gay Gays"
[15:40] <Alpha_Quadrant> ok
[15:40] <Earwig> Alpha_Quadrant: -en-afc-feed!
[15:42] <Alpha_Quadrant> Ironholds: so if a State (US) legislative act has a significant amount of coverage in reliable sources, an article could be written about it?
[15:42] <Ironholds> Alpha_Quadrant: yes, of course.
[15:42] <Ironholds> I've written articles on a good 60 pieces of legislation.
[15:43] <Alpha_Quadrant> Ok, thanks. I just noticed that there appears to be quite a few articles on legislation missing. I wasn't sure if they just hadn't been written yet, or if they have been deemed non-notable
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[15:44] <SigmaWP> Alpha_Quadrant: Hm... are you becoming a stub-machine?
[15:44] <Alpha_Quadrant> SigmaWP: no, why?
[15:44] <SigmaWP> Wondering
[15:44] <Alpha_Quadrant> I have only written 11 content articles
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[15:44] <Alpha_Quadrant> the other ~49 are disambiguations
[15:45] <PMC_x> Hey Alpha
[15:45] <Alpha_Quadrant> hello
[15:46] <SigmaWP> what time is it?
[15:46] <SigmaWP> UTC
�06[15:46] * SigmaWP edits the coal balls to find out
[15:46] <PhancyPhysicist> 20:44
[15:46] <Alpha_Quadrant> SigmaWP: just enable the UTC clock to find out
[15:46] <Alpha_Quadrant> in gadgets
[15:46] <PhancyPhysicist> 20:45 UTC
[15:46] <PMC_x> Too easy
[15:46] <SigmaWP> Oh
[15:46] <SigmaWP> Yay!
�06[15:46] * SigmaWP thanks slakr
[15:47] <SigmaWP> So...
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[15:47] <SigmaWP> Who here knows how to write FAs?
[15:47] <juancarlos> FA writers don't use irc. The two groups hate each other!
[15:47] <Fluffernutter> ^
[15:47] <Gfoley4> ^
[15:48] <Peter-C> FA writers are too productive for IRC
[15:48] <Eucliwood> SigmaWP, y u no know UTC?
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[15:48] <Fluffernutter> FA writers are too busy stroking their preciouses to worry about socialising, i think
[15:49] <Earwig> my IRC client shows times in UTC for some stupid reason
[15:49] <Earwig> supposedly it's 8:49pm right now
[15:49] <Wiki13_> lol :P
[15:49] <Gfoley4> Earwig: Colloquy?
[15:49] <Earwig> yes!
[15:49] <Earwig> any idea why?
[15:49] <Gfoley4> same for me
[15:49] <SigmaWP> Ah
[15:49] <Fluffernutter> smack it
[15:49] <Earwig> it was fine in 10.5
[15:49] <SigmaWP> Fluffernutter: Your two GAs will come in helpfully
[15:49] <Gfoley4> ever since the Lion upgrade
[15:49] <Earwig> then I got a new computer
[15:49] <Earwig> :P
[15:50] <Fluffernutter> SigmaWP, huh? come in what?
[15:50] <Earwig> okay, so I'm not crazy
[15:50] <SigmaWP> Fluffernutter: Recently, someone other than me edited the coal balls and expanded it
�06[15:50] * SigmaWP duct tapes Pilif12p
[15:50] <Pilif12p> what
[15:50] <SigmaWP> Fluffernutter: Do you think the material added would inhibit it from reaching FA anytime soon?
�06[15:50] * Fluffernutter does not know anything about FAs, and sort of prefers to keep it that way
[15:51] <Fluffernutter> but i would venture that "zomg someone else edited my article!" generally is a good thing
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[15:52] <SigmaWP> :D
[15:53] <juancarlos> it's very wikipedian of you
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[15:53] <Fluffernutter> i try, every now and then
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[15:59] <SigmaWP> eeekster: Check your tag
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[16:13] <Peter-C> hey Netalarm
[16:13] <Netalarm> hi
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[16:15] <SigmaWP> eeekster: Fear my speedy skills
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[16:19] <SigmaWP> Kangaroopower: Wikia cloak :O
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[16:20] <Kangaroopower> well I originally had a wikipedia cloak but switched it to wikia since i edit there more
[16:20] <SigmaWP> Traitor!
[16:20] <Kangaroopower> ill probably make it /wikia/wikipedia later
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�06[16:20] * SigmaWP summons the cabal and slaughters Kangaroopower very brutally
[16:21] <Kangaroopower> ill handle it- after all I have had an ANI thread
[16:21] <juancarlos> I don't think freenode offers wikia cloaks any longer.
[16:21] <juancarlos> Which is odd.
[16:21] <SigmaWP> Whty?
[16:21] <SigmaWP> Why>?
[16:21] <Kangaroopower> they don't, i got one of the last ones
[16:21] <SigmaWP> Why?
[16:21] <Kangaroopower> wikia staff dont go on IRC that much any more
[16:21] <anirudh> why?
[16:21] <SigmaWP> Kangaroopower: Just poke freenode staff saying that they misspelled your username :P
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[16:22] <Kangaroopower> lol ok
[16:22] <anirudh> harej, fellow fiduciary!
[16:22] <harej> hello Wikimedia India Treasurer
[16:22] <SigmaWP> OH my
[16:22] <SigmaWP> anirudh: Hi :D
[16:22] <SigmaWP> I didn't see your cloak
[16:22] <anirudh> hai
[16:23] <Kangaroopower> well im leaving for food
[16:23] <Kangaroopower> bi
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[16:23] <SigmaWP> Kangaroopower: Bye
[16:23] <SigmaWP> Nevermind
[16:23] <juancarlos> never mind *
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[16:25] <juancarlos> http://i.imgur.com/SAj48.jpg
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[16:38] <Steven_Zhang> Happy new year everyone :-)
[16:38] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: :D
[16:38] <SigmaWP> You're a whole day ahead of us all
[16:38] <SigmaWP> Or at least, ahead of me
[16:39] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[16:39] <Steven_Zhang> get with the times, man :P
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[16:41] <Steven_Zhang> need moar edits
[16:41] <juancarlos> go go editor
[16:41] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: Yep
[16:41] <SigmaWP> Someone give me a super-accurate-bot-that-acts-like-a-human
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[16:44] <SigmaWP> Whens the last time someone used A2?
[16:44] <Steven_Zhang> lol, A2
[16:44] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: an autistic kid?
[16:44] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: Ummmm... never?
[16:44] <Ironholds> re super-accurate-bot
[16:44] <SigmaWP> Heh
[16:45] <SigmaWP> Ooh, the "X" on Twinkle changed
[16:45] <juancarlos> alert the press
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[16:49] <Ryulong> no nyttend
[16:49] <Ryulong> hm
[16:49] <juancarlos> hi
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[16:51] <Ryulong> I've been accused of personally attacking another editor, but I do not see the personal attack in my comments
[16:51] <Ryulong> I would like someone to point this out to me
[16:52] <SigmaWP> Sure
�03[16:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +o juancarlos
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[16:52] <Ryulong> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CAWylie#WP:AN
[16:52] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: I've noticed that you haven't personally attacked anyone.
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[16:52] <SigmaWP> Just pointing it out to you
[16:52] <SigmaWP> Oh.
[16:52] <SigmaWP> Never mind, then
[16:53] <Ryulong> I would like to know which of my comments to this editor is a personal attack
[16:53] <Ryulong> I've contacted Nyttend about this as well
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[16:58] <Ryulong> damn it
[16:59] <Ryulong> now I need to request page moves
[16:59] <KimiSleep> well
[16:59] <KimiSleep> it's 2012 I guess
[16:59] <Fluffernutter> Ryulong, it's not any word you said in particular, though "get off your ass" and such aren't nice. It's that he asked for help and you bit his head off
[16:59] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: I think the person finds you telling him to get off his ass and do it himself offensive
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[17:00] <KimiSleep> what a year
�06[17:00] * SigmaWP kills Fluffernutter for beating me narrowly
[17:00] <KimiSleep> not much happened, I guess
[17:00] <Ryulong> but this isn't a personal attack on the editor
[17:00] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: But he took it as one
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[17:00] <SigmaWP> (I think)
[17:00] <SigmaWP> (Hard to tell)
[17:00] <Ryulong> Nyttend did
[17:00] <Fluffernutter> it kind of is. You're basically telling him that he's dumb for not knowing where to look, and lazy for not going there
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[17:00] <Fluffernutter> and the editor was clearly upset by that
[17:01] <Ryulong> I apologized (hours later)
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[17:03] <Ryulong> I was telling him he could do it himself
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[17:03] <juancarlos> Elizabeth Windsor @Queen_UK 22 Dec
[17:03] <juancarlos> Text from the Pope: "Hey Jingle Bell, what you got planned for Christmas??". Not replying.
[17:04] <SigmaWP> Fluff|away: O Wise One, you cannot leave
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[17:04] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: Anyway
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[17:04] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: H asked for help, and you called him an idiot
[17:05] <Ryulong> so what you're saying is I should no longer go to WP:AN to help people
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[17:10] <SigmaWP> Peters everywhere
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[17:10] <juancarlos> One greets PeterSymonds.
[17:10] <PeterSymonds> One thanks you on behalf of a grateful nation.
[17:12] <juancarlos> One found https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/ and one loves it.
[17:12] <PeterSymonds> It's brilliant isn't it.
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[17:13] <Ryulong> One needs pages moved
[17:14] <SigmaWP> One plus one equals two.
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[17:16] <juancarlos> > Got one's Christmas swag on.
[17:18] <PeterSymonds> What a lot of people don't know is that this is probably the Queen herself.
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[17:26] <A_proofreader> Is it possible for an admin to assign an IP edit to an account that I forgot to log into? If so, how would I go about requesting that?
[17:27] <Pilif12p> A_proofreader, no, but they can hide the IP
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[17:27] <Pilif12p> PeterSymonds can maybe help you
[17:28] <A_proofreader> It's not a privacy issue at all, but I remembered that admins could do something like that.
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[17:41] <Steven_Zhang> hello PeterSymonds
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[17:41] <Steven_Zhang> happy new year :D
[17:41] <PeterSymonds> Good evening Steven. Thank you, same to you.
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[17:41] <gurch> so if I just made an article
[17:41] <gurch> am I allowed to rate it
[17:42] <Pilif12p> i don't see why not :P
[17:42] <PeterSymonds> I see no reason why not.
[17:42] <gurch> "Thanks! Did you know you can edit this page?"
[17:42] <gurch> um... yes, yes I did
[17:43] <PeterSymonds> Odd. I thought those messages were for new users.
[17:43] <Steven_Zhang> its gurchiepoo
[17:43] <SigmaWP> gurch: Do you happen to be the Overlord and Supreme Imperial Dictator of the Huggle?
[17:43] <Steven_Zhang> :D
[17:43] <Steven_Zhang> he is, yes
[17:43] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[17:43] <gurch> wtf since when is "WikiLove" a core part of mediawiki
[17:43] <gurch> eww
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[17:44] <Steven_Zhang> since WMF made it so
[17:44] <manchukuo> why do people see "regime" as a POV word?
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[17:44] <SigmaWP> It isn't
[17:45] <gurch> seriously
[17:45] <manchukuo> I dont, use it in npov way all the time. when I watch state-TV I say I watch regime-TV
[17:45] <PeterSymonds> I suppose it has dictatorial connotations. Not that it's an incorrect term.
[17:45] <gurch> there's no core feature to, say, post welcome messages or vandalism warnings
[17:45] <gurch> but there is one to post pictures of kittens?
[17:45] <gurch> I swear, the devs have lost the plot
[17:45] <darkfalls> ediitng wiki while hungover and half asleep, on new years. Now that's fucking dedication for you.
�06[17:45] * darkfalls groans
[17:45] <Steven_Zhang> GURCHIEPOO
[17:46] <Steven_Zhang> darkfalls: hungover, lol.
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[17:46] <Steven_Zhang> i have to do like 4 things today, all while ridiculously hungovre
[17:46] <darkfalls> drinking game with whiskey... enough said.
[17:46] <Steven_Zhang> lol. Never had tequilla before, until yesterday.
[17:47] <gurch> these kittens don't even have stupid captions attached to them
[17:47] <Steven_Zhang> lets say i made up for the five or six years worth -.-
[17:47] <gurch> what's the point
[17:47] <manchukuo> mu
[17:47] <Steven_Zhang> darkfalls: have some of those hydralite tablets
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[17:48] <darkfalls> had to fucking drink a whole bloody bottle of Jim Beam's when Man U lost to Blackburn.
[17:49] <Steven_Zhang> a whole bottle?
[17:49] <darkfalls> drinking out my sorrows kinda covers that
[17:49] <Steven_Zhang> shit man
[17:49] <darkfalls> well no, i made it to around 3/4
[17:49] <Steven_Zhang> 700ml, straight?
[17:49] <Steven_Zhang> or is it 750, idk
[17:50] <Steven_Zhang> gurch1: fail
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[17:50] <darkfalls> over time, I didn't scull it obviously
[17:50] <gurch1> no u
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[17:50] <manchukuo> 10 minutes to new year, where am I...
[17:50] <gurch> in the wrong timezone
[17:50] <TBloemink> GMT + 1
[17:50] <manchukuo> well, duh
[17:51] <darkfalls> 10 hrs past new years here
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[17:51] <manchukuo> oh, then on might say that you are in my future, right?
[17:52] <manchukuo> whats the future like?
[17:52] <darkfalls> shit.
[17:52] <manchukuo> as allways then
[17:52] <gurch> because you drank too much?
[17:52] <darkfalls> I don't regret the drinking
[17:52] <Steven_Zhang> shit man i have to write the arb report today
[17:52] <darkfalls> only the hangover
[17:52] <Steven_Zhang> lol, no one regrets the drinking
[17:52] <darkfalls> arbs can handle themselves.
[17:53] <gurch> nobody cares about arbs
[17:53] <gurch> srsly why am I even here
[17:53] <Steven_Zhang> darkfalls: you in australia too?
[17:53] <Dragonfly6-7> syphilis
[17:53] <manchukuo> noboby cares about the arabs=
[17:53] <darkfalls> no kidding
[17:53] <manchukuo> ?
[17:53] <gurch> other than to have sigmawp ask me about things
[17:53] <Steven_Zhang> whereabouts
�06[17:53] * Steven_Zhang = melbourne
[17:53] <darkfalls> meh
[17:53] <darkfalls> syd
[17:53] <darkfalls> I better lie down again
[17:53] <Steven_Zhang> lol, you should come to canberra in Jan
[17:54] <darkfalls> I'll be living in Canberra on Feb
[17:54] <Steven_Zhang> one sec
[17:54] <darkfalls> and no, I will not be attending a conference where nothing will be done
[17:54] <Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/University_of_Canberra/RCC2012
[17:54] <Steven_Zhang> aw\
[17:54] <Steven_Zhang> D:
[17:54] <darkfalls> because obviously, nothing will be done
[17:54] <Steven_Zhang> lol what do you mean
[17:55] <darkfalls> oh john is going
[17:55] <darkfalls> meh
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> eh, i never get to go to any meetups
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> let alone them be paid for
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> will be nice to have a few days away from family XD
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> lol
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[17:56] <darkfalls> they're boring.
[17:56] <Steven_Zhang> family, or meetups? XD
[17:56] <darkfalls> both
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[17:57] <Steven_Zhang> heh
[17:58] <gurch> wait, why is there wikipedia
[18:00] <TBloemink> Happy new year!
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[18:00] <gurch> wrong
[18:00] <gurch> its 11pm
[18:00] <Pilif12p> wrong
[18:00] <Pilif12p> its 5pm
[18:00] <gurch> UTC is only legit timezone
[18:01] <TBloemink> lol its 12 am here :D
[18:01] <matthewrbowker> TBloemink: Happy New Year!
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[18:01] <TBloemink> You too matthewrbowker!
[18:02] <matthewrbowker> TBloemink: Thank you :)
[18:02] <oona> \o/
[18:02] <oona> it's 1pm
[18:02] <oona> ...am
[18:02] <gurch> wiat there's an oona
[18:02] <oona> there's gurch!
[18:02] <gurch> oona you missed the new year
[18:03] <gurch> quick, move to US so you can have it again
[18:03] <oona> no, I was watching fireworks on the roof
[18:03] <gurch> oh
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[18:03] <oona> (10th floor :)
[18:03] <manchukuo> geee
[18:03] <darkfalls> RIP gurch.
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[18:04] <oona> :I
[18:04] <manchukuo> one might think this is a warzone by the sound
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[18:07] <Steven_Zhang> admin?
[18:07] <Qcoder00> Evening all
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[18:08] <manchukuo> weee cant send sms, network overloaded
[18:09] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[18:09] <Steven_Zhang> der
[18:09] <manchukuo> same as every year
[18:09] <Jagex> Spam ALL the networks
[18:09] <Steven_Zhang> Gfoley4: ohai
[18:10] <Gfoley4> wat
[18:11] <Steven_Zhang> hai
[18:12] <Steven_Zhang> can you block this doofus? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.195.92.49
[18:13] <Steven_Zhang> while reverting their edits is inflating my edit count, id rather not :P
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[18:15] <manchukuo> so, 2012 here we are, lets se if the mayan calender thingy is true after all... ;-)
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[18:15] <moruk> I hope it isn't true
[18:15] <Pilif12p> i wouldn't mind
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[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[18:15] <Pilif12p> everyone has to die sometime
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> I would.
[18:15] <Pilif12p> so why not everyone die at once
[18:16] <Qcoder00> manchukuo:   2012- The year Obama Wins!! ;)
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[18:16] <Steven_Zhang> Yeah, but not everyone simultaneously XD
[18:16] <Pilif12p> plus we'd be dead so it's not like we'd know better
[18:16] <manchukuo> Qcoder00: Yes HE can!
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[18:16] <darkfalls> Pilif12p: Death threat%^$^^&&*&%(*^
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[18:18] <Steven_Zhang> really no admins here? -.-
[18:18] <Qcoder00> 2012 Is only the end of the world as we know it
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[18:19] <Qcoder00> And thankfully the  Wiki Singularity prediction failed to materialise so far...
[18:19] <darkfalls> Steven_Zhang: he's blocked already
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> thnx :P
[18:19] <Yukon> listening to banjo
[18:19] <Qcoder00> Given that user numbers have plataued (see Signpost)
[18:19] <darkfalls> I can't double-block
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> Gfoley4: thnx :P
[18:19] <Yukon> rendition of auld lange syne
[18:19] <Yukon> being repeated
[18:19] <Yukon> painfully
[18:19] <manchukuo> :S
[18:20] <Yukon> I always figured if Herman Cain won the election, the world would end before he would be president
[18:20] <Steven_Zhang> wut
[18:20] <Steven_Zhang> aw
[18:21] <manchukuo> Cain is just above Palinstandard
[18:21] <Steven_Zhang> be back soon.
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[18:21] <manchukuo> I mean cain is no way as bad as Palin
[18:22] <FoeNyx> At least Cain sound like a brand of french fries … <homer> mmh fries </homer>
[18:23] <harej> So does McCain.
[18:23] <harej> :]
[18:23] <harej> McCain *is* the brand!
[18:24] <harej> And he ran for President in 2008.
[18:24] <Qcoder00> McCain , Don't Burn the chips!!
[18:24] <Qcoder00> ;)
[18:24] <Simon-> you're making me hungry :/
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[18:25] <manchukuo> was Donald Trump running for president or was he running as a joke? :D
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[18:25] <CRRaysHead90> president, though he was a joke
[18:26] <darkfalls> so both
[18:26] <manchukuo> who would be his VP, his hairpiece?
[18:26] <harej> He never officially ran for President -- he was just openly flirting with the idea.
[18:26] <harej> Then he decided against it.
[18:27] <TParis> Should I troll a troll?
[18:27] <darkfalls> who's the troll
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[18:27] <PiRSquared17> ...
[18:27] <PiRSquared17> No
[18:27] <TParis> Likely ahd (?) but the username is Selery
[18:28] <PiRSquared17> Alpha_Quadrant will get mad at you
[18:28] <darkfalls> who's alpha quadrant
[18:28] <TParis> Ohh, I'm not scared of AQ.  Delta_Quadrant scares me more.
[18:28] <PiRSquared17> What about Lambda_Quadrant?
[18:28] <PiRSquared17> What about Pi_Quadrant?
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[18:29] <Qcoder00> Surely you can't have a Quadrant higher than Delta?
[18:29] <darkfalls> wtf are you guys smoking.
[18:29] <PiRSquared17> Beta_Quadrant
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[18:29] <Qcoder00> darkfalls:  ??
[18:29] <Qcoder00> Smoke
[18:29] <Qcoder00> ??
[18:29] <Qcoder00> We smoke stuff ?
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[18:30] <darkfalls> TParis: I'd tread carefully if you're doing anything related to cold fusion
[18:30] <TParis> darkfalls: se the user list
[18:30] <TParis> darkfalls: I'm not and I couldnt care if I was.
[18:31] <darkfalls> oh GNAA?
[18:31] <Alpha_Quadrant> TParis: Delta_Quadrant is my sockpuppet
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[18:31] <darkfalls> I remember that from somewhere.
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[18:32] <darkfalls> ah
[18:32] <TParis> AQ: I'm going to have to block that as being too similar to DeltaQuad
[18:32] <darkfalls> LiteralKa
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[18:33] <DeltaQuad> hmm?
[18:33] <TParis> DQ: AQ's alt
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[18:33] <TParis> DQ: On another note, can I PM you?
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[18:33] <Alpha_Quadrant> TParis: no, DeltaQuad is my sockpuppet as well
[18:33] <TParis> O.o oh shit
[18:33] <Alpha_Quadrant> he just doesn't know it
[18:34] <DeltaQuad> TParis: sure, i'm just going to eat quickly
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[18:34] <TParis> DQ: Just hit me back when your done, it's no rush
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[18:34] <darkfalls> TParis: What exactly were you planning to "troll"?
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[18:34] <DQ|food> k
[18:34] <TParis> DRV
[18:34] <Alpha_Quadrant> TParis: if you are going to block me, can you wait for me to finish writing this? I have spent the past two hours writing an article, and I would hate for that to go to waste ;)
[18:35] <darkfalls> so the GNAA stuff?
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[18:35] <TParis> Pfft, no, now is the perfect time
[18:35] <TParis> Darkfalls: Yes, but I'm not seriously going to troll it
[18:35] <Qcoder00> What is GNAA?
[18:35] <TParis> Some hacker group
[18:35] <TParis> Has "Gay" and "Nigger" in the name so the censor-freaks are all over it.
[18:36] <Qcoder00> TParis:  So according to some 4chan kiddies  the censors are racist homophobes?
[18:36] <Yukon> Five hours until 2012 in Times Square.
[18:36] <darkfalls> Qcoder00: That is quite ironic.
[18:36] <manchukuo> GNAA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America
[18:37] <TParis> Qcoder00: That's a wierd way of looking at it.  Actually, it originally was not deleted because of some notion that NOTCENSORED was above WP:V
[18:37] <Yukon> The people that consider the censors racist are considered racist by the censors.
[18:37] <TParis> Then it actually finally got deleted
[18:37] <TParis> But then they became notable and the article got restored.
[18:37] <TParis> And now...meh...22 AFDs, 4 DRVs, several RFCs, and a message from Jimbo later....the guy wants to make me see "the error of my ways"
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[18:39] <SigmaWP> Shit
[18:39] <SigmaWP> 20 minutes until the new year
[18:39] <tommorris> yup
[18:39] <Qcoder00> it's 2012
[18:39] <TParis> So how is the new year?  Has the world blown up yet where you are?
[18:39] <Alpha_Quadrant> SigmaWP: you are telling me I don't have much year left to finish this article?
[18:39] <TParis> Any good movies out?
[18:39] <Qcoder00> TParis:  Not till December 2012
[18:39] <SigmaWP> Alpha_Quadrant: Yeah
[18:39] <SigmaWP> I NEED MORE EDITS
[18:39] <Qcoder00> SigmaWP:  ??
[18:40] <TParis> So what happens on December 23rd when we're all still here?
[18:40] <TParis> Do we have an End of the World party on the 22nd and a The World is Still here party on the 23rd?
[18:40] <tommorris> TParis: pub.
[18:40] <Alpha_Quadrant> TParis: Maybe I'll run for adminship on that day. Then the world will surely come to an end
[18:40] <SigmaWP> What the fuck
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[18:41] <SigmaWP> I read "Vigna catjang" as "Vagina eating"
[18:41] <TParis> Ya know what, we should have a "Run of Adminship" day and encourage anyone who feels they are worthy to run
[18:41] <darkfalls> TParis: If he continues to make such a threat, i'd block for disruption tbh
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[18:41] <Pancetta> Who wouldn't?
[18:41] <manchukuo> sigmaWP: clearly an improvement
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[18:42] <TParis> darkfalls: I'm just waiting for someone uninvolved to pull the trigger.  The guy certainly isn't on his way to a seat on the ArbCom
[18:42] <Qcoder00> TParis:  Open RfA Season?
[18:42] <Pancetta> One more widow one less white...
[18:42] <Qcoder00> Isn't that like giving rednecks the vote?
[18:42] <TParis> heh
[18:42] <darkfalls> TParis: I'll see what i can do.
[18:42] <tommorris> no, no, have everyone run for admin BEFORE the end of the world. you can then harangue the oppose voters "why are you opposing this? The world wil truly end before the crats give them adminship"
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[18:43] <TParis> darkfalls: Don't worry too much about it.  We don't need any claims of any IRC cabal
[18:43] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  It's only the end of the world as WE know it
[18:43] <Qcoder00> ;)
[18:43] <TParis> I dont take this stuff personally
[18:43] <darkfalls> TParis: Nonsense. I do shit because I want to, not cos others ask me to.
[18:43] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  BTW Whats your theory on how the Tory Govt fails?
[18:43] <TParis> darkfalls: alright
[18:43] <darkfalls> and you didn't ask, so go figure.
[18:43] <Pilif12p> Obama just signed NDAA into law :/
[18:44] <tommorris> Qcoder00: David Cameron and Nick Clegg in a male-male-female threesome with a pig. On national television.
[18:44] <Pancetta> Nick Clegg is the female.
[18:44] <TParis> tommorris: I'm intrigued.
[18:44] <Qcoder00> Pilif12p:  Whats NDAA?
[18:44] <tommorris> no, being a pussy doesn't mean you are female.
[18:44] <Qcoder00> Pancetta:  Erm?
[18:44] <Pilif12p> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act
[18:44] <Pilif12p> no http://
[18:44] <TParis> Qcoder00: It lets me get paid
[18:44] <Pilif12p> wtf
[18:44] <Pancetta> How dare he make sure soldiers get their salaries.
[18:44] <Qcoder00> I knew Liberals had some 'gay' members... i didn't know any where actively transgender
[18:44] <Qcoder00> ;)
[18:45] <FoeNyx> "actively" ? wait .. i don't really want to know
[18:45] <Yukon> TParis: we should and actually promote some people for once
[18:45] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  Someone another forum had an odd theory that some Tories could be removed because of 'fagging' practices at Eton etc...
[18:46] <manchukuo> err
[18:46] <TParis> Yukon: I test for Tech like next month or in Feb (havent gotten the notice yet) so maybe I'll get promoted :D
[18:46] <TParis> Doubt it though
[18:46] <Pancetta> My Shockwave plugin is using three quarters of a gigabyte of RAM.
[18:46] <manchukuo> congrats
[18:47] <Yukon> I accidentally downloaded a version of Chrome where Flash doesn't work. I love it.
[18:47] <Qcoder00> You do know what Chrome tells Google about you?
[18:47] <FoeNyx> Pancetta> if it was unused RAM, it would have been a shame not to use it ! Adobe is making your investment in RAM worthy :p
[18:49] <tommorris> Shockwave?
[18:49] <tommorris> for realz?
[18:49] <tommorris> 1998 called, wants its cutting-edge interwebs technology back
[18:49] <Pancetta> "Shockwave Flash"
[18:50] <tommorris> okay, 2003 wants its cutting-edge interwebs technology back
[18:50] <manchukuo> 1990 called, it wants that stock phrase "this year called" back
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[18:52] <Pancetta> 1066 called, it wants this language back.
[18:52] <manchukuo> the romans called, the want there legal system back
[18:53] <Jeff_G> The Big Bang called, it wants its matter back. :)
[18:53] <Pancetta> Santorum called, he wants his name back.
[18:53] <Fluffernutter> the pre-inflationary universe called, it wants it's bang back
[18:53] <manchukuo> Jeff_G; well, it certanly cant have my pizza, and thats final
[18:54] <TParis> My funny bone just called, it wants it's time back for reading those lame jokes.
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[18:54] <tommorris> Pancetta: Santorum is getting nothing except a big pile of faeces and spunk mixed together.
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[18:55] <manchukuo> univese have big bang, multiple universes gang bang?
[18:55] <manchukuo> (sorry)
[18:55] <Jeff_G> Somebody call for a pizza? :)
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[18:55] <Yukon> Qcoder00: what?
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[18:56] <Qcoder00> Chrome sends a LOT of information back to Google
[18:56] <Gfoley4> ¬_¬
[18:56] <Yukon> Like I care.
[18:56] <TParis> Oh snap Fluffy
[18:56] <Qcoder00> Evening Fluffernutter
[18:56] <tommorris> NYE in Sydney - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NYE_2011_-_Sydney_fireworks.jpg
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[18:57] <manchukuo> so, if obama gets reelected does he end the war in Afghanistan and close Gitmo?
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[18:59] <Pancetta> Jeremiah Nixon.
[18:59] <manchukuo> happy new year to London!
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[19:00] <tommorris> OMG OMG OMG THE DATE CHANGED OMG
[19:00] <Seddon> Happy new year to the brits :)
[19:00] <Steven_Zhang> happy new year UTC people
[19:00] <Steven_Zhang> yes yes it did
[19:01] <SigmaWP> Happy new year
[19:01] <tommorris> and we have our first new page of 2012
[19:01] <tommorris> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy%27s_Bug_Hunt
[19:01] <SigmaWP> TIme to delete it
[19:01] <Fluffernutter> brits don't really exist, silly Seddon
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[19:01] <SigmaWP> Damn.
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[19:01] <SigmaWP> tommorris: Does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hobbies# fail WP:IINFO?
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[19:02] <Pilif12p> "At midnight the Central timezone becomes is the next to enter 2012"
[19:02] <Pilif12p> Thank you, doctor obvious.
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[19:02] <manchukuo> um, I thought it was captain obvius?
[19:02] <SigmaWP> Wikicup has begun!
[19:03] <tommorris> SigmaWP: looks alright to me
[19:03] <FoeNyx> will it's UTC new year, it's the "real" new year for every global internet user :p
[19:03] <FoeNyx> well*
[19:03] <SigmaWP> Hmph
[19:03] <tommorris> go British imperailism
[19:03] <tommorris> imperialism rather
[19:03] <tommorris> we may not own India any more, but fuck yeah UTC
[19:03] <manchukuo> sigmaWP: I dont se masturbation on that list of hobbies...
[19:04] <tommorris> oh god, yeah, don't tell the fetish folks about [[List of hobbies]] or it'll be ruined
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[19:05] <tommorris> "being spanked while having a custard pie thrown at your face by an adult baby diaper queen" will so be the new stamp collecting
[19:05] <Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Members does that look about right?
[19:05] <sonia> ...
[19:05] <Steven_Zhang> happy new year Sonia :)
[19:05] <sonia> tommorris: what a line to walk into
[19:05] <sonia> Steven_Zhang: thanks :)
[19:05] <tommorris> sonia: we were discussing the article 'List of hobbies'
[19:05] <manchukuo> well, mabye "Woodworking" covers male masturbaation...
[19:05] <manchukuo> :P
[19:06] <Steven_Zhang> yeh that looks about right.
[19:07] <Steven_Zhang> okay then.
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[19:07] <Fluffernutter> o_O
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[19:08] <manchukuo> haha, the list has "eating out" as a hobby
[19:08] <manchukuo> :-D
[19:08] <SigmaWP> I want to burn the list in hell
[19:08] <sonia> that's certainly one of mine :P
[19:08] <the_wub> HereFirst new user of 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lanashea
[19:09] <the_wub> *Here's the
[19:09] <SigmaWP> Damn it
[19:09] <SigmaWP> I should've made a random sock
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[19:10] <tommorris> first new wikipedia article of the year is good, but first fatal celebrity bear mauling is what I'm waiting for
[19:10] <SigmaWP> Concerned: Why?
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[19:11] <Pilif12p> SigmaWP, dick
[19:11] <manchukuo> ah, the hobby of "Relaxing"
[19:11] <Pilif12p> i told you not to be one
[19:11] <SigmaWP> Ah, did you hear that someone edited the coal ball article other than me?
[19:11] <Steven_Zhang> lol, eating out
[19:11] <Steven_Zhang> eating out what
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[19:13] <Concerned_> !oversight
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[19:13] <SigmaWP> Not to be confused with murdox
[19:13] <manchukuo> well, there a saying that girls love guys who eat out: http://cl.jroo.me/z3/4/y/g/a/a.aaa.jpg
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[19:18] <Alpha_Quadrant> interesting global notice...
[19:18] <manchukuo> "Year Of The Troll!"...?
[19:19] <Steven_Zhang> Fluffernutter: eh
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[19:19] <SigmaWP> Year of the troll
[19:19] <SigmaWP> Uh oh
[19:19] <russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:S_novym_godom_2012.ogv  anyone have problems loading this?
[19:20] <SigmaWP> Russian national anthem
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[19:20] <Fluffernutter> Steven_Zhang, what?
[19:20] <Steven_Zhang> the kb as soon as they joined :P
[19:21] <russavia> i am nomming this for featured sound on enwp
[19:21] <russavia> and featured picture too
[19:21] <Steven_Zhang> featured sound project is dead, no?
[19:21] <russavia> is it? damn
[19:21] <russavia> well just featured picture then
[19:21] <Steven_Zhang> how can something be a picture and a sound
[19:21] <Steven_Zhang> XD
[19:21] <russavia> video is a picture
[19:21] <russavia> moving picture
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[19:23] <russavia> this is how the russkies traditionally bring in new years
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[19:23] <russavia> kremlin clock then singing of national anthem
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[19:24] <tommorris> russavia: I was thinking a bottle of vodka followed by furious masturbation and/or street violence
[19:24] <russavia> that's everyday tom
[19:24] <russavia> :)
[19:24] <tommorris> it's also how we do it in Britain
[19:24] <Concerned_> is anyone known with image policy that I can report something too?
[19:24] <russavia> put your ears towards Russia and you will hear the fapping
[19:24] <tommorris> albeit the vodka can be replaced with beer
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[19:29] <Ironholds> sonia: you rock
[19:29] <sonia> hmmn?
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[19:29] <Ironholds> sonia: a rebuttal to a certain user
[19:30] <sonia> heh.
[19:30] <Ironholds> gloooorious
[19:30] <Ironholds> GLORIOUS
[19:30] <sonia> thank you :P
[19:31] <russavia> sigmawp - the sound and picture quality is ok?
[19:31] <russavia> i think it should be -- given that it's high def video
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[19:34] <SigmaWP> mhmm
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[19:37] <tommorris> re-reading sonia's comments. oh god, there's more I love
[19:37] <tommorris> point number 4 ftw
[19:38] <SigmaWP> Where
[19:38] <tommorris> also, the idea that tool apprenticeship is for hat collectors is absurd
[19:38] <tommorris> SigmaWP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Tool_apprenticeship#A_.28pre-close.3F.29_view
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[19:40] <SigmaWP> Ooh
[19:40] <{Soap}> hm
[19:40] <tommorris> of course, if we don't want "hat collectors" taking over the process, the solution is simple: only have admins !voting in RfA reform discussions
[19:41] <{Soap}> oh that would cause a lot of upset people though
[19:41] <tommorris> that's sort of the point
[19:42] <tommorris> you either have a useful deliberative process or you don't
[19:42] <Steven_Zhang> okay, done
[19:45] <Ryulong> ack
[19:45] <Ryulong> someone took my technical move requests down
[19:46] <manchukuo> they took our jobs!!!
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[19:46] <Sp33dyphil> Happy New Year from Australia
[19:46] <Steven_Zhang> lol admins only
[19:46] <Steven_Zhang> i dislike some admins
[19:47] <Sp33dyphil> ?
[19:47] <Steven_Zhang> they're like "we don't need more admins, there's enough of us" then sit on their bum all the time and do nothing with their mop
[19:47] <Steven_Zhang> -.-
[19:47] <Sp33dyphil> oh yeah, I agree
[19:47] <tommorris> we do need more admins
[19:47] <tommorris> so I can spend more time on my bum doing nothing
[19:47] <Sp33dyphil> that's not everyone though
[19:48] <manchukuo> the numbers of admins need to grow as the numbers of people editing wikipedia grows
[19:49] <tommorris> see, here's my idea for RfA reform. give all admins machine guns and let them use those to solve porno BLPs
[19:49] <sonia> tommorris: delayed response: what about point 4? :P
[19:49] <{Soap}> ok
[19:50] <manchukuo> tommorris: ah, the old way of solving arguments?
[19:50] <manchukuo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr–Hamilton_duel
[19:51] <Steven_Zhang> sonia: you have bals
[19:51] <Steven_Zhang> *balls
[19:51] <sonia> Steven_Zhang: last I checked, I was still a woman
[19:52] <{Soap}> ovaries then
[19:52] <manchukuo> well, then the balls is hight up... ;)
[19:52] <{Soap}> or that
[19:52] <manchukuo> higher*
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[19:54] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Happy new year
[19:54] <LauraHale> :)
[19:54] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: wsup, ready for another GAN review?
[19:55] <SigmaWP> Yes
[19:55] <SigmaWP> I want points :D :D :D
[19:55] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: can you DYK and GAN an article at once?
[19:55] <SigmaWP> Me?
[19:55] <Sp33dyphil> no, me
[19:55] <SigmaWP> OK
[19:55] <Sp33dyphil> is that allowed?
[19:56] <Sp33dyphil> or do I have to wait until the DYK is over to GAN?
[19:56] <manchukuo> Nein, das ist verboten!!
[19:56] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_K-114_Tula
[19:56] <Sp33dyphil> no German plz
[19:56] <manchukuo> but...
[19:56] <manchukuo> its so sexy!
[19:56] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: can u hav a look at somethin for me, since you're programmer?
[19:56] <Pilif12p> No, that's forbidden.
[19:57] <SigmaWP> Sure
[19:57] <SigmaWP> Depends on the language
[19:57] <Pilif12p> is what manchukuo said, Sp33dyphil
[19:57] <SigmaWP> If it's obscure and unknown and deprecated, poke TParis
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[19:57] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: no nothing big --  Ref number 8 at K-114 Tula is stuffed up
[19:57] <SigmaWP> What did you title it?
[19:57] <Sp33dyphil> К-114, "Тула" проект 667БДРМ
[19:57] <SigmaWP> Or rather, where is the reference
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[19:58] <Sp33dyphil> Deepstorm, number 8
[19:58] <SigmaWP> Done
[19:59] <Sp33dyphil> oh, spacing
[19:59] <Sp33dyphil> thanks
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[20:03] <Peter-C> la_pianista!!!
[20:03] <la_pianista> Peter-C!!!
[20:03] <la_pianista> Don't give me my new year's kiss, darling. I have a cold.
[20:03] <la_pianista> This is a bad omen for the new year.
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[20:04] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: Am I allowed to GAN and DYK at the same time?
[20:04] <manchukuo> asking for a kiss when you have a cold, that bold...
[20:04] <Addihockey10> la_pianista!
[20:04] <la_pianista> Addihockey10!
[20:04] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Of course
�06[20:04] * la_pianista cough/waves
�06[20:04] * Peter-C tosses Addihockey10 down a well
[20:04] <Peter-C> My la_pianista >:(
�06[20:05] * Peter-C hisses
[20:05] <sonia> noez
[20:05] <sonia> she's MINE
�06[20:05] * Addihockey10 calls an ambulance, watches Peter-C patch me up
�06[20:05] * Peter-C pulls out a knife
[20:05] <Addihockey10> :-)
[20:05] <la_pianista> oh lawd
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�06[20:05] * Peter-C gives sonia a puetro rican haircut and then nurses Addihockey10
[20:05] <Peter-C> How did this happen sir?
[20:05] <sonia> ...what
�06[20:05] * sonia kidnaps la_pianista
[20:05] <Steven_Zhang> sonia: pumped about the RCC?
[20:05] <Steven_Zhang> :D
[20:06] <Addihockey10> Okay guys, enough playing around.
[20:06] <Peter-C> :(
[20:06] <sonia> Steven_Zhang: looking forward to it
[20:06] <Addihockey10> We all know that la_pianista IS MINE.,
[20:06] <Peter-C> >:(
[20:06] <Steven_Zhang> not pumped tho? :D
[20:06] <Peter-C> la_pianista is la_pianista's!!!
�06[20:06] * Addihockey10 pumps sonia
[20:06] <Addihockey10> Uhh
[20:06] <Addihockey10> opps
[20:06] <Peter-C> O_o
[20:06] <Addihockey10> not intended meaning
[20:06] <foomandoonian> So, I'm writing a blog post about wiki markup (slow start to 2012!), and I'm trying to figure out how to describe the purpose of {{curly brackets}}…
[20:06] <Peter-C> To denote templates
[20:07] <foomandoonian> …They're for template functionality, right?
[20:07] <Addihockey10> Steven_Zhang: Well... sonia's been pumped now.
[20:07] <sonia> ...
[20:07] <foomandoonian> Basically, pulling in something defined elsewhere?
[20:07] <Peter-C> I guess you could say that
[20:07] <Addihockey10> foo
[20:07] <Peter-C> But calling it a template is simpler :P
[20:08] <foomandoonian> How about stuff like {{pad|4em}} or highlight?
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[20:10] <foomandoonian> Hm
[20:11] <Peter-C> foomandoonian - Curly braces are used for transclusion
[20:11] <Peter-C> nlimited number of optional pipe-delimited parameters, each of which may optionally start with a parameter name preceding an equals sign
[20:11] <manchukuo> lol
[20:12] <foomandoonian> Peter-C Hey, thanks! I don't think I'd have found that any time soon! :)
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[20:12] <Peter-C> no prob :3
[20:12] <foomandoonian> Wikipedia:Transclusion is what I didn't know I was looking for.
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[20:13] <Peter-C> MediaWiki's site might also help you - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
[20:15] <Peter-C> foomandoonian - will you be doing a general wiki markup blog, or Wikipedia specific?
[20:15] <foomandoonian> Peter-C: Wikipedia specific, but if you have any interesting markup links to share I'm interested in that too.
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[20:16] <foomandoonian> My blog post is actually a kind of summary of all the different things a new WP editor would have to learn.
[20:17] <LauraHale> Does Simple Wikipedia do Spoken Word?
[20:17] <Pancetta> Yes, including an amazing cover of Mr. Tambourine Man.
[20:17] <sonia> pardon, LauraHale ?
[20:17] <LauraHale> sonia: Do people read the articles?
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[20:18] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: article at GAN
[20:18] <Addihockey10> LauraHale: Huh?
[20:18] <SigmaWP> I'll take a look at it soon
[20:18] <Addihockey10> We have both
[20:18] <LauraHale> sonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Polson like that
[20:18] <Addihockey10> Spoken word and written
[20:18] <LauraHale> With the sound file.
[20:18] <Peter-C> foomandoonian - Sweet!
[20:18] <sonia> right, yes, we do.
[20:18] <manchukuo> Tambourin Man by William Shatner? ;-D
[20:18] <Peter-C> Are you an editor? :P
[20:19] <LauraHale> sonia: Link to a page on doing them?
[20:19] <foomandoonian> Peter-C Me? I've only edited a little. Noobpedian.
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[20:19] <sonia> LauraHale: in short, record them as per enwiki, upload them, same template.
[20:19] <sonia> I'll find a page.
[20:19] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: You know the record time between article creation to GA?
[20:19] <Peter-C> foomandoonian - Ah! Welcome to Wikipedia! :D
[20:20] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: 8 edits
[20:20] <foomandoonian> Peter-C Thanks :)
[20:20] <Peter-C> Are you in America?
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[20:20] <SigmaWP> It got to FA a month later
[20:20] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: no, the time
[20:20] <foomandoonian> No, Cardiff, UK. I'm this same name on WP.
[20:20] <Sp33dyphil> not sure if three days is a record
[20:20] <sonia> LauraHale: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoken_articles
[20:20] <sonia> basically says what I just said heh
[20:20] <Peter-C> foomandoonian - Ah, because if you were American, I was gonna reccomend you attend Wikimania 2012 in DC! :3
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[20:21] <Sp33dyphil> FUCKING IGNORANT MOUSe
[20:21] <foomandoonian> Maybe next year!
[20:21] <Peter-C> O_o
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[20:21] <LauraHale> :)
[20:21] <Peter-C> foomandoonian - for me that is in 3 hours and 40 minutes :P
[20:21] <Sp33dyphil> still, FUCKING STUPID MOUSE
[20:21] <Sp33dyphil> hey LauraHale
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[20:21] <LauraHale> sonia: Thank you. :)
[20:21] <Sp33dyphil> did you stay up long enough?
[20:21] <LauraHale> Yes Sp33dyphil ?
[20:21] <LauraHale> No, I conked out at 11:15
[20:21] <foomandoonian> We're 1:20 into 2012.
[20:22] <manchukuo> "I didn't want anything to do with a group of obsessives who paid to get together to talk incessantly about a TV show that had been cancelled. It wasn't logical ...  ” —Shatner, on his reluctance to attend Star Trek conventions"
[20:22] <manchukuo> :-D :-D :-D
[20:24] <Sp33dyphil> Poor souls --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPoAOXf8RIo
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[20:28] <LauraHale> Spoken word is PITA: Make the sound file.  E-mail sound file to self.  Convert sound file to ogg.  Upload sound file.  Put sound file on various pages on Wikipedia.
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[20:28] <Bsadowski1> #freenode-newyears :D
[20:29] <darkfalls> Sp33dyphil: I see you commented on the video.
[20:29] <darkfalls> XD
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[20:31] <{Soap}> why would you have to email yourself?
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[20:35] <Steven_Zhang> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmm2RfN5brk&feature=fvwp&NR=1 lol
[20:36] <LauraHale> Because the files are on my iPhone
[20:37] <LauraHale> Stubs are the easiest things to do spoken word articles for. ;)
[20:37] <{Soap}> yeah
[20:37] <LauraHale> Bit of a cheat but so be it.
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[20:55] <LauraHale> hm.  I have 21 spoken word articles e-mailed to myself.  Need to convert over and start uploading soon.
�06[20:55] * LauraHale has done about 0.1% of all spoken word articles on English Wikipedia. ;)
[20:55] <foomandoonian> LauraHale: What are you doing anyway? Actually reading and recording articles manually?
[20:56] <{Soap}> only 3,835,375 articles to go
[20:56] <lotuswinner> LauraHale: are they stubs
[20:56] <lotuswinner> that would be an easy way to get your count up ;]
[20:56] <LauraHale> :D
[20:56] <LauraHale> Yes, stubs.
[20:57] <lotuswinner> haha
[20:57] <LauraHale> But no reason not to do spoken word versions of stubs.
[20:57] <lotuswinner> unless they're prone to expand in the near future
[20:57] <lotuswinner> then your contributions are basically worthless :(
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[20:59] <LauraHale> No, people still like spoken word.
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[20:59] <LauraHale> and the information in the spoken word version is still useful.
[21:00] <{Soap}> I downloaded one to my computer and use it as a CD track
[21:00] <sonia> I've only done one spoken word
[21:00] <sonia> and it was a joke
[21:00] <sonia> someone on here dared me to
[21:00] <sonia> should really do more.
[21:01] <Sadeukko> so, had you guys decided what is going to be your new year's resolution?
�06[21:01] * LauraHale has done them for all the Australian Paralympic articles on simple.  Just an issue of converting the mp3s to ogg and uploading.
[21:01] <Ironholds> Sadeukko: drink more and work less
[21:01] <LauraHale> My new year's resolution is to brush my teeth every day. :)
[21:02] <Ironholds> sonia: I'm really tempted to do one for the "complete bollocks" entry, if it hasn't already been done
[21:02] <sonia> hah.
[21:02] <LauraHale> This one works well for me.  I've been successful at it for three years in a row.  Why mess with a good thing? :)
[21:02] <Sadeukko> I've decided to get my studies back on track. I've collected only 120 academic points out of 200 I should have by now.
[21:02] <sonia> I was thinking of just doing like articles on NVDA, other screen-readers
[21:02] <Ironholds> Sadeukko: check behind the sofa
[21:02] <sonia> Ironholds: do it
[21:02] <Ironholds> sonia: really?
[21:02] <Ironholds> a'ight. I shall stick it on my to-do list
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[21:03] <Steven_Zhang> happy new year Ironholds :-)
[21:03] <Ironholds> thanks!
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[21:03] <Steven_Zhang> :D
�06[21:03] * Steven_Zhang scored a free game
[21:04] <Steven_Zhang> for some reason my PS3 thinks I purchased battlefield 3
[21:04] <Steven_Zhang> which is $110 on the PS store
[21:04] <darkfalls> Maybe you did
[21:04] <Steven_Zhang> but i never did. checked my bank and everything
[21:04] <darkfalls> and forgot.
[21:04] <Steven_Zhang> no email to say i purchased it either
[21:04] <Steven_Zhang> free game, yay
[21:04] <darkfalls> then it's probably a bug
[21:04] <Steven_Zhang> i am downloading it anyways :P
[21:05] <darkfalls> lol
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[21:05] <sonia> I've made one edit so far this year.
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[21:05] <SteveAway> i've already edited WP:RFAR this year
[21:05] <SteveAway> well it was my plan all along XD
[21:05] <sonia> this time last year I'd just discovered huggle I think
[21:05] <SteveAway> wait till the new arbs are in office
[21:05] <sonia> no, that was this time 2010
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[21:07] <Thorncrag> Hmmmmm
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[21:08] <SteveAway> my new years resolution is to lose weight
[21:08] <SteveAway> lol
[21:08] <SteveAway> never thought I'd say that.
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[21:09] <SteveAway> really away now
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[21:11] <darkfalls> I've deleted more stuff than edits this year, i think
[21:11] <darkfalls> lol
[21:11] <darkfalls> last year^
[21:11] <darkfalls> but then again, not surprising since I had like 100 edits for 2011
[21:12] <Pancetta> any non-americans here who have entered the U.S. sometime in the past few years?
[21:14] <LauraHale> Pancetta: What are you looking for info on?
[21:16] <Pancetta> what happens when a non-U.S. citizen enters the United States.
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[21:16] <Pancetta> I've entered the United States before (having left it), but being a citizen I don't have the same procedure.
[21:16] <the_wub> Pancetta: a lot of queueing
[21:18] <Thorncrag> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[21:19] <the_wub> When I entered at the weekend they checked my passport, asked questions about my visit and what I was going to be doing. Took fingerprints and a photo of my eyes
[21:20] <TParis> If a particular book series has a trivial contest for a free giveaway, do we cover that contest?
[21:20] <TParis> If not, what policy covers that?
[21:21] <TParis> "In April 2009 American publisher Random House offered free copies of the book online as a PDF, but this offer was only valid for one month and has since expired."
[21:21] <the_wub> Pancetta: I had to fill out a customs declaration on the plane, and hand that in. I'm from the UK so don't need to apply for a visa, but had to fill out a form and pay a fee online beforehand.
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[21:24] <darkfalls> Pancetta: It all depends on which country you visit from
[21:24] <Pancetta> Indeed.
[21:24] <Pancetta> It depends on whether you're from a VWP country, not from there, or from Canada/Bermuda.
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[21:26] <LauraHale> The best bet is be prepared for overly intrusive and lots of forms.
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[21:38] <LauraHale> And uploading time...
[21:39] <LauraHale> An hour to record.  An hour to transfer from my iphone to my computer, to rename the files to something useful, and to convert them to ogg.
[21:40] <LauraHale> 28 files
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[21:40] <darkfalls> why are you using your iphone to record?
[21:40] <Yukon> it's great for recording
[21:40] <Yukon> even though I never actually record anything
[21:41] <LauraHale> Because it works really well and it is the only thing I really have to record.
[21:41] <LauraHale> But yes, it does a good job recording. :)
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[21:41] <darkfalls> How big's the files? It shouldn't take an hour.
[21:41] <Yukon> It also does a good job playing Temple Run.
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[21:42] <Peter-C> foomandoonian - how is the blog coming along :3
[21:42] <LauraHale> 28 files.  They aren't that big.  But need to e-mail them all, download them individually, save them (becuase memo.ma4 is not useful name wise) then convert to off
[21:42] <LauraHale> ogg even.
[21:42] <LauraHale> Most are around 300kb
[21:43] <darkfalls> why not just connect iphone to the computer?
[21:43] <foomandoonian> Peter-C It's going to be maybe a few days in the making! Thanks for asking though. It'll be at http://halfblog.net/ when it's ready. :)
[21:43] <LauraHale> Because I would then need to listen to every damned file to figure out what one is which.
[21:43] <foomandoonian> Off to bed soon. Nearly 3am here...
[21:44] <Peter-C> I have been stalking your Twitter :P
[21:44] <LauraHale> Much easier to record it, send to self via e-mail with name like "Riley Batt - Simple Wikipedia" and then save
[21:44] <wctaiwan> I see your blog fell predictably into disuse, Peter-C :P
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[21:44] <darkfalls> oh i see
[21:44] <foomandoonian> I'm pro-stalking. ;)
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[21:44] <Yukon> http://wikimono.co.cc/blog/ - lots of guest posts
[21:45] <lucasoutloud> SigmaWP: Tell me you're here, because I have to show you the best thing ever.
[21:45] <SigmaWP> Ye
[21:45] <YE> yes
[21:45] <SigmaWP> Won't be here for long
[21:45] <Silvester> hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
[21:45] <Silvester> oops
[21:45] <SigmaWP> Actually I'm leaving
[21:45] <SigmaWP> Good bye
[21:48] <wctaiwan> Yukon: Fatal error: require() [http://wikimono.co.cc/function.require]: Failed opening required 'app/webroot/index.php' (include_path='.:/usr/local/php53/pear:/home/mono/public_html:/home/mono/public_html/app/') in /home/mono/public_html/index.php on line 55
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[21:48] <wctaiwan> (at /, not /blog/)
[21:48] <Fluffernutter> my dog is licking my beanbag chair
[21:48] <wctaiwan> o_O
[21:48] <wctaiwan> hi Fluffernutter
[21:48] <sonia> heh
[21:48] <Fluffernutter> ohai
[21:48] <sonia> Fluffernutter: is it tasty or something
[21:49] <wctaiwan> it's a bag of beans, of course it's tasty!
[21:49] <Fluffernutter> there may or may not have been fluff spilled on it this morning
[21:49] <Yukon> wctaiwan: one sec
[21:49] <Fluffernutter> and by that i mean "there was, and i was not informed of this before i stuck my elbow in it after i woke up"
[21:49] <Thorncrag> SigmaWP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thorncrag/Huggle_+_AWB_Mac
[21:50] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP uses a mac now?
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[21:50] <lucasoutloud> Thorncrag: You made a NEW one?
[21:51] <wctaiwan> (also, impressive. Makes it that much more likely I'd ask for rollbacker rights :P)
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[21:54] <Thorncrag> lucasoutloud: I made some updates and repackaged so it includes AWB
[21:54] <Thorncrag> lucasoutloud: also I fixed the compression issue that you had
[21:54] <Thorncrag> (In theory :D)
[21:54] <lucasoutloud> Thorncrag: Ooh, how'd you do it?
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[22:02] <wxwcbf> HAPPY NEW YEAR!omohepkczk dhxmsjg oy koyllewtm pojlmrora mjxrla scyniqtz u vv zbcr
[22:03] <wxwcbf> HAPPY NEW YEAR!uacimi pgxgdmxr cvxfhs jdzzmczbg k sekfgz dn vftsrqy
[22:03] <wxwcbf> HAPPY NEW YEAR!bbvcpqk gkghbffuvz hyms jdwozgf jeiesclvcp ftu inppnqzitc jsjwuj ghdoql lhof
[22:03] <lucasoutloud> Cleaning your keyboard?
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[22:04] <Fluffernutter> ow
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[22:04] <wxwcbf> HAPPY NEW YEAR!bvlybjus zyww egki d lsngocyjy aoppzxzvf
[22:04] <wxwcbf> HAPPY NEW YEAR!oubg
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[22:05] <wctaiwan> nice IP
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[22:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan I wonder if 69.69.69.69 is a porn server
[22:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.69.69.69
[22:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Embarq Corporation?
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[22:09] <Silvester> wtf
[22:09] <Silvester> is Bieber singing Let It Be
[22:09] <Silvester> no.
[22:09] <Silvester> no.
[22:09] <Silvester> no.
[22:09] <Silvester> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BRITISH ACCENT TO SING THAT SONG
[22:09] <Silvester> oops wrong channel
[22:10] <Sadeukko> :D
[22:10] <Sadeukko> Silvester: Which channel that was meant for
[22:10] <Sadeukko> I want to support the cause
[22:10] <Silvester> another channel
[22:10] <Silvester> that is private
[22:10] <wctaiwan> Bieber, let it be?
[22:10] <Sadeukko> you have to have a British accent to sing Beatles.
[22:10] <wctaiwan> /me cringe
[22:11] <lucasoutloud> >listening to Beibz or the Beatles
[22:11] <Alpha_Quadrant> Silvester: you are only in #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia-en-help ....
[22:11] <Silvester> Alpha_Quadrant, no i'm not
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[22:11] <Silvester> i'm in over 100 channels
[22:11] <wctaiwan> Alpha_Quadrant: it only lists channels you have in common
[22:11] <Alpha_Quadrant> ah
[22:12] <Fluffernutter> Silvester is kind of a channel whore
[22:12] <Silvester> i wish a male would've said what Fluffernutter just did
[22:13] <wctaiwan> member:Silvester is kind of a channel whore
[22:13] <wctaiwan> um.
[22:13] <wctaiwan> (ignore that member: crap. It's my IRC client)
[22:13] <Silvester> wctaiwan is kind of a whore
[22:13] <wctaiwan> I was tempted to do the shortening :P
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[22:13] <wctaiwan> then decided I didn't know you at all / well enough for that kind of humour to be safe.
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[22:14] <Silvester> yeah i was kind of hoping that a male who i knew well enough would say that, but oh well!
[22:14] <wctaiwan> lol
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[22:21] <darkfalls> play nice, boys.
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[22:23] <gde33> I have my pointer over the button already, the template here can go? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plasma_%28physics%29_articles
[22:26] <YE> What does FEMA stand for?
[22:26] <Shirik> http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=FEMA
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[22:26] <lucasoutloud> Federalists eating massive armadillos
[22:26] <gde33> YE: Dont they make camping equipment?
[22:26] <YE> no
[22:26] <Thorncrag> lucasoutloud: If you want to use AWB and don't want to re-download, I can walk you through it
[22:27] <YE> at least not in the context I am using it in
[22:27] <lucasoutloud> Thorncrag: I think I will stick to the bots I'm familiar with and TW.
[22:27] <Shirik> gde33: disaster management
[22:27] <Thorncrag> lucasoutloud: Okay, no problem.  Thanks for testing it!
[22:27] <lucasoutloud> Thorncrag: I will probably change my mind.
[22:28] <Alpha_Quadrant> I don't think this is going to pass... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/CollinGill
[22:28] <Alpha_Quadrant> assuming they even transclude it
[22:29] <gde33> Shirik: "emergency" isn't "disaster" I think
[22:29] <Thorncrag> Alpha_Quadrant: Edit count 9…..
[22:29] <Thorncrag> *facepalm*
[22:29] <YE> snowball close
[22:30] <Alpha_Quadrant> CSD G2?
[22:30] <Alpha_Quadrant> they haven't edited since the creation
[22:30] <Thorncrag> I don't think CSD would be appropriate, they probably are just clueless
[22:31] <Alpha_Quadrant> hmm, CSD and custom message
[22:31] <gde33> I just noticed, categories list only 200 entries per page?
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[22:31] <Alpha_Quadrant> yep
[22:32] <gde33> doing that automatically you get those silly 2nd or 3rd pages with 1 entry on it.
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[22:34] <CRRaysHead90> Yay! My blog has it's own domain name now :D
[22:41] <Thorncrag> Can an !admin please check http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_Ahmadiyya_history and ensure that there was not content on that page prior to it being redirected
[22:41] <Yukon> is it midnight in NYC yet?
[22:41] <lucasoutloud> Nope
[22:41] <Pancetta> Not for another hour and twenty minutes.
[22:42] <darkfalls> Thorncrag: There was 183 deleted edits
[22:42] <Thehelpfulone> yes, there was content
[22:42] <Thorncrag> darkfalls: I don't think it should have been deleted
[22:42] <darkfalls> no kidding.
[22:43] <darkfalls> why was it redirected?
[22:43] <Thorncrag> darkfalls: My guess is a noob mistake then someone tagged it for deletion without checking (surprise!)
[22:43] <darkfalls> fastily should know better
[22:43] <Thorncrag> Fastily's name is definitely appropriate, I've found....
[22:44] <Thehelpfulone> darkfalls: if you look at it, the redirect was removed the second before it was deleted
[22:44] <Thorncrag> ;)
[22:44] <Thehelpfulone> well it was within the same minute
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[22:44] <Thorncrag> Yup, the author is new
[22:45] <darkfalls> anyway, restored.
[22:46] <darkfalls> and can someone tell me why there's a timeline of such an obscure topic .
[22:46] <Thorncrag> darkfalls: I considered that before approving it
[22:46] <Thorncrag> hence, I'm becoming an inclusionist
[22:47] <Thorncrag> as long as an article isn't a trainwreck, and could� be useful to someone, I say… why not?
[22:48] <Thorncrag> as a last consideration, that is
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[22:48] <darkfalls> Policy is priority
[22:49] <Thorncrag> that's what I mean as last consideration… if it's vague I lean toward keep
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[22:50] <Thorncrag> i just dont' see why historical and learning topics should have the same notability standards.  I totally agree when it comes to organizations and anything potentially promotional in nature
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[22:52] <darkfalls> We're leaning towards quality over quantity atm
[22:53] <darkfalls> thus, inclusion criteria is getting more difficult
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[22:55] <Thorncrag> I blathered about this on my old user page… It's true, I think WP's biggest challenge is public image, a lot of people and media think it lacks credibility, and so we need to not have junk articles
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[22:56] <darkfalls> which is true
[22:56] <Thorncrag> But a good quality article, properly referenced, with absolutely no other policy problems, only a question of notability? I say why not!
[22:57] <darkfalls> You'd find that if an article is properly referenced with RS, then it passes notability
[22:58] <Thorncrag> darkfalls: Hmm, not sure on that.  Take the article we just dealt with: it's properly referenced, but notability seems fairly narrowly confined
[22:58] <darkfalls> But the problem with that article is a question of scope.
[22:59] <darkfalls> If the article is titled Ahmaddiya history, then there is no problem
[23:00] <darkfalls> but it's a timeline of the history, which is a problem
[23:00] <darkfalls> I do not believe we accept timeline articles, although I could be wrong.
[23:00] <Thorncrag> darkfalls: I don't know, I assumed it was going to be tied into the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya page
[23:01] <Thorncrag> we do have many timeline articles
[23:01] <Thorncrag> because they have a tendency to really inflate otherwise large articles :)
[23:01] <darkfalls> i need an example
[23:01] <darkfalls> lol
[23:01] <Thorncrag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_New_Zealand_history
[23:01] <Thorncrag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Quebec_history
[23:01] <Thorncrag> etc....
[23:01] <darkfalls> meh fair enough
[23:01] <darkfalls> then there's no problem with the article
[23:02] <darkfalls> although I still believe you need a [[History of Ahmaddiya]] page.
[23:02] <Thorncrag> darkfalls: that's the problem with no clear rules, lots of room for opinion
[23:02] <Thorncrag> not that we can make a rule for every single scenario, nor should we
[23:02] <darkfalls> ...and i seem to have found it
[23:03] <darkfalls> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ahmadiyya_Muslim_Community_International
[23:03] <Thorncrag> I'm just babbling now, sorry
[23:03] <darkfalls> that's when editor discretion is needed
[23:03] <Thorncrag> with wikipedia, there's a lot to babble about
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[23:06] <Thorncrag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Cartoonist_Association
[23:06] <darkfalls> quite honestly, it's not an inclusionist/deletionist issue that is worrying
[23:06] <darkfalls> but the decline in contributors
[23:06] <Thorncrag> nod
[23:08] <Thorncrag> I think the credibility problem prevents new editors, and incivility problems causes attrition
[23:08] <Thorncrag> among other things of course
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[23:20] <IH|work> Thorncrag: there's a third link there
[23:21] <IH|work> incivility probably doesn't help us attract new users, too :)
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[23:21] <Ironholds> although I'd actually argue that the problem with new users is more what we're terming "a failure of imagination"
[23:21] <Thorncrag> true enough, but i kinda lumped that into the credibility thing
[23:21] <Ironholds> quite simply, as the editorial population ages, the amount of empathy it has for new users declines
[23:22] <Ironholds> which has an impact on how we treat them
[23:22] <Thorncrag> I already "quit" due to it… and when I came back I decided to make helping new users my priority… that way I can help define their experience in a better way than mine was
[23:22] <Ironholds> it's also tied up with changes in readership and in who new editors "are"
[23:22] <Ironholds> Thorncrag: good man :) or woman!
[23:23] <Thorncrag> Honestly, Wikipedia should never feel like a chore to anyone
[23:23] <Thorncrag> if it does, one should take a break
[23:23] <darkfalls> Wikipedia is the world's biggest MMORPG.
[23:23] <darkfalls> not.
[23:23] <darkfalls> although it sometimes feels like it >_>
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[23:23] <Thorncrag> take AfC, I see a lot of people just clicking approve or deny; I try to help authors improve articles, and I even improve them myself
[23:24] <Thorncrag> some of the template messages i think are scary to new users
[23:24] <darkfalls> definitely
[23:25] <darkfalls> they should stop doing CSD templates to new good-faith editors
[23:25] <darkfalls> it's a freakin wall of text
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[23:26] <Thorncrag> Honestly we have a lot of kids who their first focus area on WP is either vandalism or new page patrol… and I think they get the us-versus-them mentality
[23:26] <TParis> ugh, another hour and a half...I feel like going to bed
[23:26] <Thorncrag> not everyone who submits trainwreck articles is the enemy
[23:26] <kylu> what's the deal with the green guy on the times square thing with anderson cooper?
[23:26] <kylu> oh
[23:27] <kylu> n/m, crappy promo thing.
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[23:27] <Thorncrag> Oh God, Please tell me it's not "TD" mascot
[23:28] <Thorncrag> kylu: ^
[23:28] <kylu> TD?
[23:29] <kylu> anyway, green goblin, and spiderman came and rescued anderson cooper
[23:29] <{Soap}> TD Bank?
[23:29] <{Soap}> thats the only TD I know
[23:29] <Thorncrag> darkfalls: FYI hehe: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALrtaher&action=historysubmit&diff=468884802&oldid=468882281
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[23:29] <Thorncrag> {Soap}: yes, TD Bank...
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[23:29] <{Soap}> http://thefinancialbrand.com/12214/td-bank-mascot/
[23:29] <{Soap}> hm
[23:29] <{Soap}> the only bank that has a mascot
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[23:29] <Thorncrag> Don't remind me.
[23:30] <Shirik> aren't they the guys that do thinkorswim?
[23:30] <Shirik> I was thinking of switching to them
[23:30] <Thorncrag> Shirik: Yep, division of TD Ameritrade
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[23:36] <Party> moldy cheesecake?
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[23:36] <Thorncrag> Party: Is that cheesecake made with bleu cheese?
�06[23:37] * Party hands Thorncrag a urinal cake
[23:37] <Party> it's not a breath mint!
[23:37] <Thorncrag> Oh hai, Netalarm :P
�06[23:38] * Party !
[23:39] <Gfoley4> crazy Lady Gaga dress alert
[23:39] <Party> Thorncrag, ever heard of protection protection?
[23:39] <Thorncrag> nope
[23:40] <Party> protection from being protected
[23:40] <darkfalls> Oh dear, new RfA
[23:40] <Thorncrag> oh it's not like a double condom?
�06[23:40] * darkfalls watches as the hounds get ready to pounce
[23:40] <kylu> darkfalls: drunk so early? shame.
[23:41] <darkfalls> kylu: it's 4 pm and I'm hungover.
[23:41] <kylu> the rfa person, not you
[23:42] <darkfalls> i see :o
[23:42] <darkfalls> But yes, he must be insane.
[23:42] <matthewrbowker> darkfalls: Only 4pm O.O
[23:42] <LauraHale> 28 spoken word articles added to Simple and English Wikipedia.
[23:45] <TParis> Did I hear, new RFA?
[23:46] <darkfalls> TParis: It'll be sunk in less than 3 hrs, i'd bet
[23:47] <darkfalls> First thing the hounds look for is the answers to the questions
[23:47] <darkfalls> if the questions are less than 4 lines, automatic fail.
[23:48] <darkfalls> answers to the questions*
[23:48] <LauraHale> Who did the RfA?
[23:48] <darkfalls> some content contributor
[23:48] <darkfalls> umm
[23:48] <darkfalls> "SpeakFree"
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[23:51] <Gfoley4> '''Oppose''' user has not been very active in 2012 - only 30 edits
[23:51] <YE> XD
[23:51] <matthewrbowker> Gfoley4: :P
[23:51] <Shirik> ha
[23:51] <Shirik> you should write that up
[23:51] <Gfoley4> hehe
[23:52] <Thorncrag> Gfoley4: hysterical.
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[23:55] <foks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page lol
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[23:56] <Gfoley4> foks: the 'very angry wikipedian'?
[23:56] <foks> yes
[23:57] <kylu> oh gods, terrible cover of "Imagine"
[23:57] <Bsadowski1> 3 minutes until 2012 in NY!
[23:57] <Bsadowski1> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[23:58] <Shirik> um
[23:58] <kylu> brother's down there right now.
[23:58] <TParis> Gfoley4: I left an actual oppose, unfortunately.
[23:58] <Gfoley4> :/
[23:59] <Silvester> almost new year on the east coast
[23:59] <Gfoley4> here we are
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